Look, There's Some Middle Ground Here, People

07/07/2007
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Inspired by this comment I made (which one reviewer called "maybe the most relevant political comment on NutCan to date.") I decided to write an article on why everything doesn't have to be so black and white. Both sides of an issue argue the slippery slope "If we budge and inch, the other side will take a mile" argument and nothing ever happens. At what point did society completely lose it's ability to compromise on anything?

Abortion

The "classic" hot button issue. My personal feelings on it are as layered and complicated. I lean to the side that says, "It doesn't affect me, I don't have to live with myself after doing it, so if you think the child's life will be absolutely unlivable, then I guess it's your call." Ultimately though, I just lie in the "never say never" camp. If abortion laws changed to be severely locked down, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It's just hard to fit that on a bumper sticker.

I just want the ability to make the call, or have the doctor be able to decide, that my wife Sarah's life is in danger if something isn't done about it. I mean shouldn't that be what "choose life" is about? I don't want to see a law where we have to bullheadedly charge into a situation where Sarah has a 15% chance to survive and the baby, in turn, has even less of a chance. I want the option to choose Sarah at 95% and baby at zero. It just makes sense. The biggest argument against the "mother in danger loophole" is that of course doctors across the land would automatically start declaring pregnant women with a cold "in danger." This argument is preposterously ridiculous. Of course their COULD be unscrupulous doctors but it would be dealt with the same way doctors who abuse handing out prescriptions.

No issue is argued more black and white in America than abortion, and no issue I can think of has more gray area.

Girl A - 14 years old, 70 pounds, raped by her father 2 weeks ago, currently residing in a halfway house, battling crack addiction, would almost certainly die if pregnancy is carried to term, and the baby would have severe birth defects, if it survived at all.

Girl B - 28 years old, healthy, well off, carrying her devoted husband's perfectly healthy baby, hours away from going into labor.

I don't care if you are the biggest right wing, born again, abortion clinic bombing, nutcan; or the biggest left wing nazi feminist. You can not tell me that those two girls are in the exact same situation. You can not tell me they should be covered under the same "No abortions for anyone, under any circumstances" laws. Likewise you would have to concede that there should be some line, somewhere, that unless superseded (like by health complications), abortion is no longer an option for you. There has to be a place we can put that line that would appease 90% of the population, don't you think? We're never going to get anywhere if the people we're aiming to please are the abortion clinic bombers and the people who think a woman should be able to change her mind right up until the umbilical cord is cut.

Clearly the answer is abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

Gay Marriage

This is one of those issues where I can't fathom how there is even a debate surrounding it. In a land where Church and State are supposed to be separate there are virtually no non religious reasons out there to not allow it. Any non-religious arguments are generally cherry picked statistics from religious groups attempting to make a secular argument. I guess they apply the same cherry picking skills that allows them to dislike homosexuals because the Bible says God is against them, but conveniently gloss over the "Judge not, that you be not judged," and the numerous "love everyone, even (and especially) your enemies" passages.

At any rate here's the thing, and where we can meet in the middle. It's true that some gay couples want the recognition of their marriage because they think they should be the same. However many just want the practicalities of being married. They want to share insurances and the like. I really don't think that is so much to ask.

Churches are private organizations. They should/could/do exercise their right to marry or not marry anyone. The priest that performed Sarah and My wedding could have told us to take a hike for any reason, or no reason. I don't think anyone is arguing that Churches across the land should be forced to marry gay people. If someone is arguing that they are way off base. These would be legal in the eyes of the government, not in the eyes of God.

I guess I really don't understand why 2 people that have been together 20 years can't be on the same health insurance, but a guy and a girl who met yesterday, don't know each others names, and don't live on the same sides of the country, can, if they get married. Perhaps the solution is to allow any two people to legally declare each other "roommates," for the "paperwork" benefits.

The "Amnesty" Bill

Admittedly I don't know a whole lot about this bill. The only coverage of it I've seen is Lou Dobbs, and something in the back of my mind makes me think I'm not getting both sides of the issue. It's subtle maybe, but something told me he was leaning to the "against" side.

Again, I don't know a lot, but here's what I'll say. I think the bill errs on the side of "let's just not be naive." I mean, what good would it do to pass a bill saying they all had to go? That's already the law. If the illegals weren't given some incentive to out themselves, why would they?

Also, as far as the "we should keep them out at all costs, 'They turk urrr jurrrbss'," people, I have this to say:

People are clever, no matter what you did to keep out a populace given sufficient time and motivation to get in, it wouldn't be good enough. ANY border locking down to help drive down the number of illegal immigrants would have to be accompanied by a massive "unlocking" of the legal path to citizenship to have a snowball's chance in hell of being effective.

I do understand where the bill falls short, namely by rewarding people who did the wrong thing to begin with. However, I think the bill is also a way of saying, "They are already here, they are going to stay no matter what we do, and they are going to keep coming. We need to get these people on the books and in the system."

In an ideal world, this bill wouldn't need to happen, I do however, from the admittedly little I know about it, think it's a realistic assessment of what few options we really have in the matter.

Microsoft

Ok now perhaps this is a little out there, and shoehorned into this article, but live with it - I'm sick of all the Microsoft hatred out there. It's reached the irrational point. It's reached hate for the sake of hate. Microsoft isn't my favorite, but I think the anti group has become a little too out of control.

First of all Microsoft is hardly an "evil empire." Bill Gates gives away money like he can't give it away fast enough.

Microsoft code is "buggy", "vulnerable to hackers," etc.
If your computer is on the internet it is vulnerable. Your mac is vulnerable, your linux machine is vulnerable, and us Firefox users are vulnerable. The reason you hear about exploits against Microsoft products are because:
1) Why write an exploit that will affect like 3% of the population when you can affect almost everyone? (Microsoft is the US and hackers are the illegal immigrants. They are too clever and too determined to get in to hold them off.)
2) Because every Microsoft shortcoming that is found due to the world gunning for them (See #1) is then discussed ad nauseam by all the haters (Hurrrr, I used a $ for the S, aren't I just the epitome of cleverness), creating new haters and spiraling ever downwards.

Internet Explorer doesn't follow the standards
Ok, now in the interest of full disclosure, IE is the bane of my existence. I can't stand it. IE sucks when it comes to implementing the WC3 standards, I don't think you'll find much of a debate there. However, as good as theoretical standards are, if 90-95% of web browsing is done in IE, doesn't that make how IE renders it the "standard?"

It is indeed frustrating to have a website look perfect, and as expected, in Firefox, only to check your page in IE and wonder (sometimes with out-loud expletives) how it rendered what you told it to do into that. However, sometimes I wish the browsers just rendered the same, even if that meant Firefox took a step backwards on the standards, so you didn't have to come up with lame hacks to get your site to work in both.

BETA was widely considered to be a superior product to Video Cassettes, but in the end everyone was better off and life was that much easier because we "chose a standard." Even if that meant everyone lined up behind the inferior VCRs. When it comes to the browser market sometimes I feel like the market has spoken but us nerds just refuse to let go of our "Beta" because the "VCR" doesn't work with a completely arbitrary list of features some other nerds pulled out of thin air. If 95% of cars used one part and 5% used another would a mechanic ever have the gall to call the one that's used 5% of the time the "standard" part?

It's just humorous to me how many people, myself included, plug our ears and go "la la la la" and plow forward with these Utopian standards and then 'blame' the IE users for using an 'inferior product' when the site looks like crap - to 95% of the internet. Any time it comes down to choosing between needing to break standards to make something look perfect in IE, and sometimes maybe less perfect in Firefox, we say "screw those IE n00bs, rabble standards!, rabble WC3 rabble rabble! What other industry would put up a fuss about needing to do something fairly insignificant to cater to 95% of their clients?

The Monopoly Argument

Windows comes on almost every machine purchased.
What's your point? So the market has spoken. People do have other options. THEY just aren't choosing to take them. If there was something fundamentally non functional about Windows people would have moved on.

Windows comes with a lot of software. This hurts competition because no one will pay for, say WinZip, now that Windows handles zip files natively
Fair enough. However, what other industry would we argue so fervently for LESS to be built into a product for the same price. Imagine the business auto makers are taking from the after market stereo companies by having the audacity to include a sound system right off the line!

Microsoft has even been accused of actually crippling competitors' software in the past.
Well, first of all, again there was no gun to the customers head when they chose windows in the first place. Given that, couldn't one argue it's within Microsoft's right to disallow, or allow, whatever they want? You can't just toss whatever car part you want into your Dodge, you need to use Dodge's parts. (Mopar? Anyone? Mopar?)

It's time to tone down the irrational hatred. No, they aren't a perfect corporation. However, the fact that Microsoft is still releasing updates for software you bought 4 years ago should be considered a good thing, not a sign of the end times. Anyone who has any experience doing any significant programming will tell you no software is every really done, or as perfect as it can be.

Global Warming

Anytime I hear someone debating whether or not global warming exists I always come back to the same thought. Does it matter at all? Most of the things that Global Warming advocates want put in place are things that should be done regardless of their benefit to the planet, because said benefit is one of many long term and short term benefits. Doing a cost-benefit analysis with the environment may make you look like a bastard, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. At the same time, the argument "We should make no changes to the status quo if Global Warming doesn't exist" doesn't make sense either.

Should we cripple our automakers with outrageous emissions and fuel economy standards? No. That would just drive the price of cars up, and hurt the 'little people'. Is it unreasonable to set our emission standards at or above what other countries set theirs at 20 years ago? No, it isn't.

Is there any reason to not replace every light bulb you can with a more efficient version? Sure, they cost more today, but they pay for themselves in a few months and you don't have to worry about them for years. I think it's funny that people, in their minds, assign energy usage importance in order of the "importance" of the appliance. The appliances are energy efficient, so that's all that matters. Meanwhile most of the country is still lighting their homes with what is, in essence, an open short producing as much heat as it does light.

We now find ourselves at the Tree Huggers' least favorite two words: Nuclear Power. Despite the battle cries of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island (which by the way led to zero deaths or injuries) nuclear power is our safest, and yes, cleanest, option. There is no green ooze to hide. "Toxic Waste" is actually little gray pellets. Those pellets are transported in drums that might themselves be able to survive a nuclear attack. If a drum was spilled en route to being stored you know what you do? You just pick the damn pellets up. Oh, Jeremy you mean they quarantine the tristate area while a Hazmat team comes in. Then the area is rendered unlivable for 30 years, right? No. While I'm sure suits would be worn for precautionary sake, the pellets really aren't that dangerous. (Unless you plan on filling your pillow with them for a week.) Besides, once the waste storage facility at Yucca Mountain is done the idea of toxic waste is moot. We could just as well consider it gone forever. This hasn't, however, stopped people from protesting nuclear power, and the facility at Yucca mountain. One of the talking points against nuclear is how unsafe the plants are, but thanks to their protesting all our Nuclear plants are from the 70's. They are also likely being more overworked than they would need to be, if state of the art plants were allowed to open.

I think what bugs me most about the anti-nuclear people is that they don't have any solutions of their own. Coal? Oil? The closest they can get is solar and wind energy, but those are far from being viable options. Besides, nothing is for free. Any energy those turbines take from the wind is just that, taken away. That has to effect something. (Not to mention the birds that are killed.) Also on a size-per-power-output basis they are horrible. First off, I think people see a field of them, without any thing to scale off of, and don't take their sizes into account. The things are freaking huge and the footprint to make any real power out of them is as well.

There has to be some compromise out there, regardless of your opinion on global warming. Lowering your "carbon footprint" can save you money. Lessening our dependence on Middle Eastern oil is important. Whether or not global warming will soon kill us all, or is a complete myth.

In Conclusion

Hopefully I accomplished my goal of reminding everyone that compromises are necessary in everything, even the hot button issues. Nothing is as black and white as some people make it out to be. Perhaps though there are, in fact, a lot of people in the gray area. Maybe the problem is you only get a voice if you reside in East/West Crazy Town.

Maybe, almost by definition, living in the gray means lacking the strong convictions the two fringes have on the same issue. As such, maybe then it just seems like there is no one left defending reason because no one can hear us in our "Who ever yells the loudest, or has the catchiest slogan, wins" society.
jon.jpgJon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert
07/07/2007 @ 03:10:01 AM
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A few quotes and what my nitpicking mind thinks of them:

"First of all Microsoft is hardly an "evil empire." Bill Gates gives away money like he can't give it away fast enough."

Those may very well be two truthful statements, but the latter doesn't make the former necessarily true. I think being generous is great, especially if you're actually helping people. But what about ill-gotten gain? I'm not putting forth the idea that Microsoft's wealth or Gates' is from (or not from) immoral means, but if it was, I'm not so sure that fact would just be absolved by their generosity.


"BETA was widely considered to be a superior product to Video Cassettes, but in the end everyone was better off and life was that much easier because we 'chose a standard.'"

Maybe I'm grasping at straws here, but I find the statement "everyone was better off" a bit hard to prove. I mean, sure there was some convenience added but maybe I would have gotten a better experience from beta. They could have been like coke and pepsi. Do you want a one soda world jeremy? (I know this may not be relevant to your overall point about ie but, still, I'm red flagging it.)


"The reason you hear about exploits against Microsoft products are because:
1) Why write an exploit that will affect like 3% of the population when you can affect almost everyone"


Even so, that doesn't mean that people are wrong in thinking that, say a Mac, is less likely to be messed up by the hackers and bugs and whatnot. (forgive me if I use the wrong terminology) The non microsoft programs/machines are probably theoretically as vulnerable, but practically less targeted. And since it's the practical that people care about, it seems valid to say that those machines are "safer," in one sense at least. A person's understanding of the reason they are safer might be way off, and they should learn the difference, but it still seems like a valid item in the "plus" column for non-microsoft things and, therefore a "minus" for microsoft things.
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07/07/2007 @ 04:40:33 AM
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"Is there any reason to not replace every light bulb you can with a more efficient version?"
Any reason? How about mercury?
Granted, they say the overall mercury effect is a net positive by using the bulbs, but on a smaller level, like to an individual, there is some reason to hesitate. Since you asked.

"Hopefully I accomplished my goal of reminding everyone that compromises are necessary in everything, even the hot button issues. Nothing is as black and white as some people make it out to be."
Compromises in EVERYTHING????????? NOTHING is as black and white...?????????? Pretty black and white statements, one might say.
Secondly, all across America today, children will be heard uttering, "Mommy, Jeremy said I had to compromise on everything. I guess that includes my morals and sense of self-worth. I'm off to take drugs and have unprotected sex."

(Is there a tongue in cheek emoticon?)
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07/07/2007 @ 10:17:47 AM
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Jon Wrote - 07/07/2007 @ 03:10:01 AM
"The reason you hear about exploits against Microsoft products are because:
1) Why write an exploit that will effect like 3% of the population when you can effect almost everyone"


Even so, that doesn't mean that people are wrong in thinking that, say a Mac, is less likely to be messed up by the hackers and bugs and whatnot. (forgive me if I use the wrong terminology) The non microsoft programs/machines are probably theoretically as vulnerable, but practically less targeted. And since it's the practical that people care about, it seems valid to say that those machines are "safer," in one sense at least. A person's understanding of the reason they are safer might be way off, and they should learn the difference, but it still seems like a valid item in the "plus" column for non-microsoft things and, therefore a "minus" for microsoft things.


I disagree with this. Hackers probably are more likely to attack a Microsoft application. But I'm sure Microsoft accounts for this in testing plus hackers will actually help to find any holes during the beta period so that by the time you actually install an official release from Microsoft it's probably been put under a lot more fire than say a Mac and therefore should have less possible exploits remaining. And if a hacker does manage to find a new exploit there are so many Microsoft users that you're pretty much guaranteed that someone will know about it right away and Microsoft will fix it up quickly.
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gary.jpgPackOne - 1218 Posts
07/07/2007 @ 10:35:54 AM
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Thats a heavy article for Saturday morning. Let me get back to you on Tuesday.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 5109 Posts
07/07/2007 @ 10:56:51 AM
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Imagine going to the video store and half the movie companies signed a deal to be released on beta only and half released on VCRs only. Think of everytime you brought a movie over to someone's house needing to check it they had a VCR or Beta player.

My point about Microsoft isn't that the other people aren't safer. Just that their altruistic reasons for thinking they're safer are a little off base. It doesn't matter what kind of alarm system you have, you're going to think it's doing an excellent job if no one ever tries to rob you. They aren't fundamentally as safe as people make them out to be, they just aren't being tested as fervently. (I'm not saying they aren't safer, but it's not like Mac and Linux have figured out some way to be hacker proof no matter what, while Microsoft bumbles along, clueless to the concept.)

Also, I think kids today could use a little "compromising" in their self worth.
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ESPO copy.jpgPackOne - 1218 Posts
07/07/2007 @ 11:48:06 AM
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As I am analyzing the data for a future post, let me take the time to say this ... Rodney Peete does rule.
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - 367 Posts
07/07/2007 @ 12:30:34 PM
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Come on people the world has moved on....its time to embrace Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD as the new VHS vs. Beta.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - The cake is a lie!!
07/07/2007 @ 12:44:27 PM
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Well see, that wouldn't be AS apt an analogy since the media itself is the same (discs) so it's possible to make players that play both, like they did with DVD R and DVD-R.
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scott.jpgScott - Dog fighting is sick. Don't be a Vick.
07/07/2007 @ 09:19:58 PM
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The truth about Microsoft is that they are just good at what they do. And in reality, we are all a little better off having such a standardized software system where ever we go. Knowing that if I save a Word file on my computer, I can open it up pretty much anywhere I go is a good thing. Can you imagine if there were as many different types of software systems like this as there are different types of cars? You would never be able to know whether you could access your information on a computer other than your own.

Also, I'm not afraid to admit that I'm a fan of Microsoft. I've used Windows all my life. So what if Microsoft has taken a few ideas here and there from other operating systems. Mazda uses steering wheels even though Ford used this device in cars first. Also, I really hate Macs. It's probably because I've used Window's all my life, but I just don't understand the elitest Apple mentality that Mac OSX is so supperior. Sure it's got some nice features that obviously make it a successful system, but I've just never been able to get used to it. And have there ever been any more useless and annoying mouse devices put out than by apple. Seriously, I've never heard anybody complain about the 2 button, scroller-in-the-middle mouse. Why does Apple need to "revolutionize" such an accepted and efficient device. Were they bored?

So to sum up. Microsoft is good for everybody. Apple, with all their innovations (some are indeed good: Ipod), still kinda sucks. Microsoft is just good at what they do. And because of that, life is a lot easier for all of us.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - I hate our freedoms
07/07/2007 @ 11:18:45 PM
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Apple's one button mouse is intolerable. It's one of those things where you just wonder how pig headed a group of people can be.

Also, anyone remember the completely round iMac mice? Tiny, uncomfortable, non-ergonomic, piles of crap they were.
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07/07/2007 @ 11:36:49 PM
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Agreed with previous sentiment on the one-button mouse. Not only is it intolerable, it's inexplicable.
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07/08/2007 @ 08:38:56 AM
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Micah Wrote - 07/07/2007 @ 12:30:34 PM
Come on people the world has moved on....its time to embrace Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD as the new VHS vs. Beta.


At this point I refuse to get involved with that race. I'm going to wait it out.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Corduroy pillows are making headlines
07/10/2007 @ 09:14:32 AM
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Also, since I tried to summarize in the end there but did a little too much summarizing let me add this:

I never intended to argue that a person should compromise on every little issue.

You shouldn't compromise with your 2 year old child you know categorically better than if say, they want candy for supper.

If your friend wants to go on a killing spree and you would prefer the two of you kill no one, you shouldn't go on half a spree.

I was merely addressing compromise in regards to issues that we have to decide on as a society. Issues where you're going to have good points on the left, good points on the right, crazies on both sides, and a vast array of people along the spectrum.
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Jeremy screwed with this at 07/10/2007 9:17:15 am
reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - 367 Posts
07/10/2007 @ 11:12:18 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 07/10/2007 @ 09:14:32 AM

You shouldn't compromise with your 2 year old child you know categorically better than if say, they want candy for supper.


This is exactly why I won't compromise with anyone, because I categorically know better than everyone else in the world.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 5109 Posts
07/10/2007 @ 11:25:09 AM
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And everyone else feels the same way about you and everyone else. Thus, the problem at hand.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i
07/10/2007 @ 11:32:54 AM
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Oh, and it's Tuesday, PackOne.
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Jeremy screwed with this at 07/10/2007 11:34:22 am
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07/10/2007 @ 12:56:55 PM
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no I agree, Micah's track record of being right far exceeds everyone elses. The one person I don't hate to hear say "I told you so!"
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - I believe virtually everything I read.
07/10/2007 @ 01:10:24 PM
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For the record I was just answering what I assume was a tongue in cheek comment from Micah with a tongue in cheek response. I wasn't trying to start an "Is Micah, in fact, the most correct person in the world?" debate.
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07/10/2007 @ 01:27:37 PM
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Isn't he?
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 5109 Posts
07/10/2007 @ 01:30:26 PM
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It's debatable.
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07/10/2007 @ 01:39:45 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 07/10/2007 @ 11:32:54 AM
Oh, and it's Tuesday, PackOne.


Yes, I realize it is the day everyone worldwide has been waiting for - my opinion. Strangely enough, I haven't had much to say about anything lately. My business is slowly crumbling around me, and I have been in that proverbial "funk" zone for about a week now. However, I know the world patiently awaits my sound off, so I will do what I can.

On the abortion topic - the truth of the matter is it shouldn't be an issue unless a medical emergency, or a criminal act is in the equation. I am not advocating a society without choice, but, there needs to be some universal rules put in place regarding the conception of children. I'm sick and tired of hearing about all the hungry kids, neglected kids, and kids with no shot. Can't the world realize that enough is enough. We continue to promote pregnancy with financial incentive, glorify it as manly, and present it as some right of passage to life. REGULATE IT. I understand that people want to spread their legacy on the future generations - GREAT. Have one kid. I'm guilty of it too. When we got a pet we HAD to go out and get a purebread Golden Retriever. After a short while we realized that there are hundreds of dogs in need of a good home because some dumb ass got a dog and decided they couldn't, or didn't want to care for it anymore. It's the same way with child bearing. I say everybody gets one shot at their purebread - then you have to ADOPT.

I'll respect the right to choice - I'd rather see a life ended before it began than a life wasted by stupid people who don't have the self control to think before they sink the pink.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 5109 Posts
07/10/2007 @ 01:47:53 PM
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Horribly tactless post aside, how would you propose to regulate it? Outside of fines/taxes for a certain number of kids there's no real way, and all that would do is take money from the people who need it the most.

(Full disclosure: I've often said that we should regulate it too, but in more of a "wouldn't that be ideal" way then you seem to be saying.)

Also, I totally thought you were going one way with it, then it came flying back in the exact opposite direction at the end there.
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ESPO copy.jpgPackOne - Don't mess with Jeremy. He owns your tag lines.
07/10/2007 @ 02:02:07 PM
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Tactless? How about reality. Make people get a license for more than one child - and make it EXPENSIVE. This way those without without the means to support a gazillion kids can't afford the license either. I know it's unrealistic, but so is trying to solve the problems we already have. Everyone gets one shot, and if you do well you are rewarded with the opportunity of raising another child. Until children are viewed as an opportunity in this society no change will take place.

Maybe my real issue is with adoption - it seems that too many uncaring parents are getting away with bringing children into the world. My biological parents were freshman in college when they had me. They were wise enough to realize that maybe I would have a better life in the hands of someone more able to raise me than themselves.

I don't believe in hurting any creature in any way. With this outlook I really tow the line on abortion. However, I do think the issue of abortion would be far less of a hot button topic if the issue of neglect and poor planning was not so out of control.
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07/10/2007 @ 02:08:39 PM
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The chinese regulate it through fear and punishment. They could only have 2 kids, so parents would go out and burry baby girls alive so they could try again to have a boy to carry on family legacy. (THis may not be done now, but I assure you it was in the last century)
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gary.jpgPackOne - Make my own decisions. That's my perogative.
07/10/2007 @ 02:13:57 PM
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I am well aware of that - and I don't deny regulation may leave us with a whole new set of problems. Once again though, de-regulation may just be the death of society as well.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 5109 Posts
07/10/2007 @ 02:16:49 PM
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And then if someone doesn't buy the license what then? An even more expensive fine they can't afford? Take all their money and then a year later give them foodstamps cause they're broke?

Also I still have no idea where you stand on abortion, you seem way way to one side then two sentences later you seem way way to the other side.

Also2, I think it's fair to call any post that ends with "sink the pink" tactless. emoticon
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07/10/2007 @ 02:23:39 PM
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What is tactless is not thinking about the pink before sinking it. I'm just calling it like I see it. I think reducing the act to a phrase out of a porno is the equivelant to someone not thinking twice before tinkering with pregnancy. I revert back to your thread topic - of being some middle ground. I personally would not consider abortion as an option. For those who have proven they cannot control themselves I think adoption or abortion should be mandatory.
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ESPO copy.jpgPackOne - No matter how many MC's I eat up ... oh, it's never enough.
07/10/2007 @ 02:26:31 PM
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On the next topic it's real black and white for me. Let the gays marry. Let em raise kids too. God knows they can't do any worse than those couples before them.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 5109 Posts
07/10/2007 @ 02:27:48 PM
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I called the post tactless, not a crime against humanity, take a chill pill. emoticon
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ESPO copy.jpgPackOne - 1218 Posts
07/10/2007 @ 02:32:27 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 07/10/2007 @ 02:27:48 PM
I called the post tactless, not a crime against humanity, take a chill pill. emoticon


I'm not burning up. emoticon Just stating my own NPD induced opinion. Unfortunately, at this stage of my life, the only real change I will personally be taking on any of these topics is my words on nutcan.com. I look at most of the world with a defeatist attitude at this point.
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image.jpgCarlos44ec - 1263 Posts
07/10/2007 @ 02:36:57 PM
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emoticon

"I weep for the future"
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Carlos44ec edited this at 07/10/2007 2:37:10 pm
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07/10/2007 @ 02:39:56 PM
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You will be glad to know I plan on remaining childless. Good thing for the future. Better thing for any kid that would have me as a parent.
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ESPO copy.jpgPackOne - 1218 Posts
07/10/2007 @ 02:47:35 PM
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Amnesty bill. If you have enough moxy to risk getting arrested, living on the street, and leaving your family in the pursuit of a better life, go ahead and stay. I'll even go a step further and say you should be required to find a worthless crack dealer and send him back to where you just came from.
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ESPO copy.jpgPackOne - 1218 Posts
07/10/2007 @ 02:58:18 PM
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Microsoft. My PC's have always been fine for me. I grew up programming BASIC on an Apple IIc. Since that time I have never programmed anything - so I can't comment on the specifics. The only real comment I have on Microsoft is the weird comment someone once told me. They said that if Bill Gates saw a hundred dollar bill on the ground he would lose more money in the time it took to pick it up - than to just keep walking. I always found that strange. If I could get this to be the case for me with even a dollar - I'd be fricking happy as a nutcanner on Hannity and Combs.
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PackOne edited this at 07/10/2007 2:59:59 pm
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07/10/2007 @ 02:58:58 PM
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Global warming. Like I eluded to previously - we are screwed.
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