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Comment: 2012 NFL Offseason by Matt

Sat, 19 May 2012 01:55:39 CST

I'm pretty sure I recognized Burnett first.

Comment: The Official 2011-2012 NBA Thread by Jon

Sat, 19 May 2012 01:22:11 CST

If you've followed the NBA postseason at all, I think Bill Simmons' article on it is worth a read.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7946461/the-nba-award-winning-playoffs

If you haven't been following it, you should still at least read the short section on LeBron James, which is near the end (about 80% of the way down the page). It's short. Just read it.

Comment: 2012 NFL Offseason by Jeremy

Sat, 19 May 2012 00:59:00 CST

I pointed out Burnett. Matt just decided to stalk him.

White woman.

Comment: 2012 NFL Offseason by Jon

Fri, 18 May 2012 23:59:16 CST

I'm calling you out. I'm pretty sure Matt made this comment because he recognized and talked to Alex Burnett one time. However, if left to his own devices, Matt never would have been there in the first place. Luckily, he has people in his life that force him to have a good time every now and then.

Comment: 2012 NFL Offseason by Jon

Fri, 18 May 2012 23:56:23 CST

I'm pretty sure you just summarized this entire site in that one sentence. The entire internet, really.

Comment: MLB Regular Season: The 2012 Edition by Scott

Fri, 18 May 2012 11:47:00 CST

In 24 at bats, Jonathan Lucroy is batting .542 with runners in scoring position, with an OPS of 1.371. For comparison, Josh Hamilton, who is batting .399 overall, is hitting .394 in 33 at bats with runners in scoring position with a 1.277 OPS. Both have a .75 ratio of rbi/ab with runners in scoring position. That is all.

Comment: Baseball Parks by Scott

Fri, 18 May 2012 11:36:59 CST

There are people in Wisconsin that don't like Brats?

Comment: Baseball Parks by Sarah

Fri, 18 May 2012 10:18:20 CST

Brats are gross.

Comment: 2012 NFL Offseason by Scott

Fri, 18 May 2012 08:47:06 CST

Well, the writer called Collins and Clifton "franchise faces". I don't think there is much to dispute there. Maybe he wasn't referring to the general NFL fandom, maybe he was referring to the local fans. Or maybe he was referring to just inside the locker room, and the impact of losing 2 stalwarts at the same time. Either way, I think this discussion has dissolved into something other than the original intent of the comment.

Comment: 2012 NFL Offseason by Matt

Fri, 18 May 2012 08:32:06 CST

All I know is that the Minnesota Twins have only one FOF, and it's Alex Burnett.

Comment: 2012 NFL Offseason by Scott

Fri, 18 May 2012 08:13:13 CST

I'm not sure the criteria either, but if Don Majokowski and his 57 career touchdown passes to go along with 56 interceptions, and only played 6 seasons for the Packers anyway, maybe their standards are pretty low afterall. Majokowski did have one really good year yardage-wise, but he only had 2 seasons with over 2000 passing yards. Collins played for 7 years and made the pro bowl 3 times (I mistakenly said 4 earlier). If Majokowski got in, Collins should get in; or if not Collins, Majokowski should be reconsidered.

Comment: Baseball Parks by Scott

Fri, 18 May 2012 07:54:50 CST

http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/dining/chez-ballpark-whats-good-to-eat-at-miller-park-ie5e72h-151902265.html
I found this interesting given our current discussion:

"When people come to Miller Park, you have a brat. That's what you do," Clope said.

And of the 10 major-league ballparks where Sportservice dishes up food, hot dogs are the top seller - except in Milwaukee, where it's the brat.

I'm not trying to be a Miller Park Food apologist. But maybe you should try the brat. I stopped eating hot dogs when I turned 12.

Comment: 2012 NFL Offseason by Jon

Fri, 18 May 2012 02:28:07 CST

Well, the premise is wrong, and the conclusion happens to be wrong also. Rex Ryan is the face of the franchise.* I'm not sure they have another one (yet). I think Revis is on the cusp.** Tebow can't be. He hasn't played a game for them. He's still more connected to the Broncos than he is to the Jets. I don't want to repeat my previous post, but it's not all facial recognition. That's just a natural part of it.

*That's right, I say coaches count. Off the top of my head, I'd say the only other coach that could be the #1 face of the franchise is Bill Belichick, and probably only if he shared the title with Brady.

**Seems like he's more of a name than a face at this point, but that could change in the near future. I'd listen to arguments for him, but he's not unseating Rex Ryan at this point in time.

Also, I'm going to throw this out there: I don't think every franchise necessarily has a FOF.

And yes, I have decided that I am going to be the final word on this subject. That's the way the NFL works. All the power in one person's hands.

Comment: 2012 NFL Offseason by Jon

Fri, 18 May 2012 01:46:17 CST

Jeremy is correct in this regard. If the general sports fan population honestly doesn't know what the guy actually looks like -- in this day and age, and specifically in the nation's most popular sport -- then you'd have to make a pretty strong argument for me to consider him to be the FOF (yeah, just did that). It's not that I'm tripping up on the literal meaning of "face" as much as it is that I can't think of anyone I'd use that title for who wouldn't actually be widely recognized by his face. I think there is a literal component to it, but beyond that, they just go hand in hand anyway.

And I don't know if this next explanation is actually being more literal, or more metaphorical, but a person's face is what the people on the outside see and recognize as that person. They don't see all his internal organs, however important they might be. Chad Clifton may very well be the pancreas of the Packers' franchise. But he's not the face. He's just not.

But ultimately, we're probably just defining it differently. Honestly, I skimmed some of the posts, but I feel like you want the title to have more...I don't know...prestige...than I might give it. Being beloved by fans and teammates, and having a good, long career with the club will most likely be characteristics of the FOF. But I wouldn't say the converse is true. Being beloved, or long-tenured, or even just all around good doesn't automatically give you that status.

Obviously, by my definition, it's going to be way harder for the left guard to be FOF than it is for the quarterback. But I never claimed it was a meritocracy.

Comment: 2012 NFL Offseason by Alex

Thu, 17 May 2012 22:44:41 CST

I really don't know what the entry requirements are for the Packer HOF, but just off the top of my head I only recall Collins having maybe 3 good seasons. And he was released for injury reasons, which is different than say like when they let Sharper walk. Clifton too is probably pretty well washed up at this point. So that's why I see Driver as in a totally different situation. In other words Clifton and Collins are gone but it wasn't really much of a management decision in the first place, Driver I feel still has value so whether he's the 3rd "good player" released in a certain amount of time or not is not really a thing to me. It's 3 totally unrelated decisions.