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| Dolphins 7 @ Patriots 36 Final Thu, 10/29/15 7:25pm
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| Lions 10 @ Chiefs 45 Final Sun, 11/1/15 8:30am
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| Bengals 16 @ Steelers 10 Final Sun, 11/1/15 12:00pm
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| 49ers 6 @ Rams 27 Final Sun, 11/1/15 12:00pm
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| Titans 6 @ Texans 20 Final Sun, 11/1/15 12:00pm
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| Chargers 26 @ Ravens 29 Final Sun, 11/1/15 12:00pm
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| Giants 49 @ Saints 52 Final Sun, 11/1/15 12:00pm
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| Cardinals 34 @ Browns 20 Final Sun, 11/1/15 12:00pm
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| Vikings 23 @ Bears 20 Final Sun, 11/1/15 12:00pm
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| Buccaneers 23 @ Falcons 20 final overtime Sun, 11/1/15 12:00pm
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| Jets 20 @ Raiders 34 Final Sun, 11/1/15 3:05pm
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| Seahawks 13 @ Cowboys 12 Final Sun, 11/1/15 3:25pm
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| Packers 10 @ Broncos 29 Final Sun, 11/1/15 7:30pm
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| Colts 26 @ Panthers 29 final overtime Mon, 11/2/15 7:30pm
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| Week Record | 11 - 3 0.786  | 10 - 4 0.714 | 9 - 5 0.643 | 9 - 5 0.643 | ||||
| Season Record | 77 - 42 0.647 | 74 - 45 0.622 | 75 - 44 0.630 | 70 - 49 0.588 | ||||
| Scotttime Record | 1578 - 940 0.627 | 1518 - 1000 0.603 | 1572 - 946 0.624 | 1579 - 939 0.627 | ||||
| No-Pack-Vike Record | 3291 - 1921 0.631 | 3206 - 2006 0.615 | 3319 - 1893 0.637 | 3206 - 2006 0.615 | ||||
| Lifetime Record | 2255 - 1330 0.629 | 2129 - 1456 0.594 | 2242 - 1343 0.625 | 2238 - 1347 0.624 |
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Cardinals
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Falcons
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Panthers
| Week: | 9 - 5 0.643 |
| Season: | 75 - 44 0.630 |
| Lifetime: | 1594 - 916 0.635 |
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Rams
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Chargers
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Cardinals
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Falcons
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Colts
| Week: | 8 - 5 0.615 |
| Season: | 69 - 49 0.585 |
| Lifetime: | 1406 - 843 0.625 |
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Texans
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Cardinals
Vikings
Falcons
Jets
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Panthers
| Week: | 6 - 8 0.429 |
| Season: | 37 - 22 0.627 |
| Lifetime: | 1252 - 814 0.606 |
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| Week: | 8 - 6 0.571 |
| Season: | 73 - 45 0.619 |
| Lifetime: | 659 - 418 0.612 |
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Panthers
| Week: | 12 - 2 0.857 |
| Season: | 73 - 30 0.709 |
| Lifetime: | 622 - 369 0.628 |
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| Week: | 11 - 3 0.786 |
| Season: | 75 - 44 0.630 |
| Lifetime: | 988 - 619 0.615 |
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| Week: | 8 - 5 0.615 |
| Season: | 37 - 19 0.661 |
| Lifetime: | 789 - 461 0.631 |
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| Week: | 11 - 3 0.786 |
| Season: | 76 - 43 0.639 |
| Lifetime: | 1028 - 531 0.659 |
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| Week: | 11 - 3 0.786 |
| Season: | 82 - 37 0.689 |
| Lifetime: | 943 - 500 0.653 |
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| Week: | 8 - 6 0.571 |
| Season: | 66 - 52 0.559 |
| Lifetime: | 831 - 473 0.637 |
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| Week: | 7 - 7 0.500 |
| Season: | 77 - 41 0.652 |
| Lifetime: | 361 - 203 0.640 |
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| Week: | 10 - 4 0.714 |
| Season: | 76 - 43 0.639 |
| Lifetime: | 276 - 150 0.648 |
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| Week: | 6 - 8 0.429 |
| Season: | 72 - 47 0.605 |
| Lifetime: | 248 - 136 0.646 |
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| Week: | 7 - 7 0.500 |
| Season: | 72 - 46 0.610 |
| Lifetime: | 72 - 46 0.610 |
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| Vikings 23 @ Bears 20 | |
 | SarahBears are getting better? Vikings have a good record, but what the heck? I'll pick the home team.BTDubs, how is it November already??? |
 | JonPretty sure the Bears traded all their players, so the Vikings should be ok. |
| Packers 10 @ Broncos 29 | |
| SarahIf Peyton Manning wins this game then I'll be 100% certain he has sold his soul to the devil. A QB can't look that bad and still be undefeated. Although that defense, oooo boy should be a tough game. |
| JonBroncos defense can be scary but can they score the points? |
 | Colts 26 @ Panthers 29 | |
| SarahChuck Pagano is done after this year right? Andrew Luck was supposed to be MVP instead he's regressing. Panthers really on the upswing this year, been steadily getting better with Newton under center. |
| JonNot sure I've watched any Panthers this season. Can't name a whole lot of people on their roster. |
  | Sarah - 4605 Posts 10/29/2015 @ 03:01:38 PM |
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 | Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 10/30/2015 @ 02:21:11 PM |
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| While the Packers 10.3 point differential per game average is pretty impressive as an undefeated team (it means that on average the team is winning all their games by more than 1 possession), the New England Patriots have a 16.3 point differential per game average, meaning that they are winning their games by a minimum of 3 scores. If they continue on this pace they will end up with a point differential of 260 points. Going back to 2007, 4 teams have had point differentials of greater than 200: the Patriots (2012 - 226, 2010 - 205, 2007 - 315), Broncos (2013 -207), Saints (2011 - 208), and Packers (2011 - 201). The Cardinals and Pats are both currently on pace to have a point differential over 215 for this season. As an interesting note, none of the teams that eclipsed the 200+ point differential mark for the season went on to win the Super Bowl. |
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| Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/01/2015 @ 02:28:10 PM |
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| Jumping right from the Halloween theme to Thanksgiving, love it. |
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  | Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/02/2015 @ 08:28:52 PM |
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Skip Bayless is almost literally a cartoon at this point. I linked directly to the video so we don't fall into the clickbait as much as possible, while still being on the same page as to what we're talking about. Like even in the realm of "I'm the guy that says stupid things for clickbait" this is just...it's so devoid of anything that could possibly be defended as an opinion one could live in the same reality as everyone else and have that the baldness of it is borderline offensive. Yet it's SO absurd that it's hard to not address what's going on. Skip Bayless is the Westboro Baptist Church of ESPN/sports. It's just the perfect feedback loop scheme. |
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| Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 11/03/2015 @ 08:58:26 AM |
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"They play about three quarters of their games at Lambeau Field"???? And to that point, Mike McCarthy has the 4th best winning percentage on the road since he took over as head coach, and Rodgers has been his quarterback for most of that time, so It's fairly safe to assume that Rodgers record on the road is fairly adequate. Rodgers was bad on Sunday night. Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal rated the QB position (as he does every position for every game) at .5 out of 5, and rightly so. There is no sugar coating how ineffective the entire Packers offense was on Sunday, and it starts with Rodgers. But that would be like pointing to one Barry Sanders game of -1 yards in the playoffs and making your judgement based about his career based on that one game. I'll give a little apologetics and then I'll give some genuine Aaron Rodgers criticism. Apologetics: Who does he have to throw to right now? Randall Cobb is good but he is not a #1 receiver. He is a slot receiver and he can be good out of the backfield as well. He needs a deep threat to take pressure off of the middle of the field. James Jones is a good possession receiver but he isn't going to open up the field vertically the way that Jordy Nelson could. The guy that they had hoped might be that vertical threat (Davante Adams) has been hurt for a few games and isn't hasn't performed as well as they had hoped. And their first round draft pick receiver has been hurt for the past few games too. All that being said, they are not very deep at wide receiver right now and it is clearly showing in their inability to go downfield. When that ability is taken away, the short passing game suffers too. Criticism: Aaron Rodgers lacks something that Brett Favre excelled at, and that's fearlessness. The one thing that has separated Rodgers from most modern day quarterbacks is his ability to extend plays and not turn the ball over doing so. However, that carries with it a subtle but inherent weakness. He refuses to make the throw if he isn't 100% sure that it won't get picked off. Now history shows that he has been incredibly effective with that mentality. Say what you will about Favre, but he played with an "I don't care" mentality that made him as good as he was. He was not "afraid" to throw an interception. In doing so, he made throws that most other quarterbacks (including Rodgers) wouldn't even think about making. And frankly, Favre completed a lot more of those throws than were intercepted. In a game like Sunday's game against the Broncos, there came a point where "I'm only making the safe throws" could have and should have taken a back seat to "I'm good enough to make this happen". There isn't a lot that I would change about Aaron Rodgers, but in a game like this, I'd like to see a guy go down guns blazing. That being said, Skip Bayless is incredibly offensive, and not just in your run of the mill everybody's upset about anything that anyone says nowadays. To assume that the only way you could possibly be so delusional to think that Rodgers is any good whatsoever is because you are Packer fan is beyond any credible thought I have ever heard coming from a sport analyst. I've heard him say dumb things before, that that analysis might be about the dumbest I've ever heard. He didn't just say he had a bad game or that he isn't as good as everyone thinks. He is trying to convince the world that Rodgers is a bad quarterback. If I hadn't just justified his remarks with a response, I would say that his remarks didn't justify a response. |
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| Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 11/03/2015 @ 09:19:43 AM |
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Here are 2 excerpts from McGinn's analysis of Rodgers' performance, just to be put in to the NutCan official record: Let's be honest. No matter how good the defense is, it should be impossible for a player as great as Aaron Rodgers to play 60 minutes and pass for 77 yards. The rules favoring passing, the head coach favoring passing and his 11 years of experience should preclude such a thing happening. To win road games against teams with elite defenses makes it almost incumbent upon the quarterback to throw people open. Interceptions hurt passer rating but they don't automatically spell defeat. Sometimes they're better than a punt. Rodgers looked deep a lot but couldn't pull the trigger. There was enough room for someone with his extreme arm talent to make the spectacular play and thereby galvanize a stagnant offense. He's the face of the franchise for moments like this. There's always the chance, too, that Rodgers suffers from an extreme case of altitude sickness. It is his first time playing in Denver, by the way. |
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| Scott edited this at 11/03/2015 9:20:20 am | ||
 | Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 11/03/2015 @ 10:28:19 AM |
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If you want to argue he's not the best, fine. You may or may not win that argument. If you want to argue that come MVP time we shouldn't be so enamored with inflated 2 yard TD numbers where as Brady et al are asked to hand those off, fine. If you want to argue Rodgers isn't as good as everyone thinks....I'm not sure what you're basing that on, I guess the same type of thing that makes Jon, me, and others not thing Stafford is as good as "people" tend to think....fine, I guess. But to argue that Rodgers is actually just, in no relative sense, with no qualifiers, caveats, etc, a BAD quarterback....I think this is about as bald "I'm saying something ridiculous because I know it will get people talking" as it might get, and from a major network no less. THE network in the context of sports, but they don't care because here we are talking about it. The lack of integrity here is galling, and I'm not really even talking about Bayless here. I don't like this era of media, where the History channel is 90% aliens and "reality" shows. You know who he thinks is a good quarterback? Tim F. Tebow. I searched to see what he's said in the past about Rodgers, and there was something from 2014. Looks like he pops up once a year or so when Rodgers doesn't go for 400 yards to go "AH HA!, I told all you idiots he sucks!" |
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| Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 11/03/2015 @ 10:59:51 AM |
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It looks like one of the things he's said in the past was that Rodgers was being appluaded for something that could just as easily have lost the game when he ran that "fake spike" play against the Dolphins. This, I believe, is fair criticism as far as that goes. For reasons I still don't understand no one seemed to care that if it wasn't for the DB doing the exact wrong thing, that play loses the game for the Packers. Aaron says he saw the guy playing off and that those were "free yards", but literally all the guy had to do was not allow the sideline, which he was in position to do (but he got caught up in not allowing a TD that wasn't going to happen because of the help he had) and Rodgers just lost the Packers the game trying to get a handful of "free" yards. (Which doesn't even address that no one else was on the same page, another reason it was illadvised.) But that in and of itself doesn't make a "so he's no good" argument. One brain fart he was lucky to dodge barely even *adds* to it, let alone seals it. At best it points to the fact that people might fawn over him too much, unable to even admit when something was foolish as opposed to an example in the other direction of "that's why he's the best" |
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| Scott - 6225 Posts 11/03/2015 @ 11:14:00 AM |
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Also, because I can, I'm going to address this supposed argument here: If you want to argue that come MVP time we shouldn't be so enamored with inflated 2 yard TD numbers where as Brady et al are asked to hand those off, fine. Starting with 2009 and going through Week 7 of this season, Rodgers and Brady have thrown virtually the same number of touchdowns (212 for Rodgers, 215 for Brady). Rodgers has thrown 23 of his touchdown passes for less than 2 yards (10.8%). Brady has thrown 34 touchdown passes for 2 or few yards (15.8%). In 2014, Brady threw 6 of his 33 touchdown passes for 2 or fewer yards (18%), while Rodgers throw only 5 of his 38 (13%) for 2 or fewer yards. So you can make that argument, but you'd probably lose it. I also checked Brees. His 2014 numbers, 33 Touchdowns, 5 for 2 or fewer yards (15%). Also, in 2014, the Packers had 7 rushing TDs for 2 or fewer yards, while the Patriots had 8. So Brady wasn't really asked to "hand those off" any more than Rodgers was. So in reality, Rodgers TD numbers are probably less padded by cheap touchdowns compared to other quarterbacks, or at the very worst, they are equivalent. |
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| Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/03/2015 @ 11:28:21 AM |
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Well, that's getting a little specific. I meant it more as "if you want to explain some of the difference between X and Y by 'well if you account for Z'" (Where Z is true.) More or less what advanced stats try and do by trying to find where the simpler and more straightforward stats are "lying" to us. Could be this specific example applies to all the "good" qbs, but then again the good qbs could just be trusted near the goalline more in a chicken/egg type deal. Could just not be true. Wasn't ever really the point there either way (which I suspect from the opening line you weren't necessarily holding me to.) That just popped into my mind because the last time the internet was angry over an Aaron Rodgers dissing was because Pro Football Focus gave him a bad grade for a 5TD game, in part because their algorithms aren't "impressed" by short wide open tds. (Even though one can make a case that "finding a wide open guy" is still something the good qbs have a talent for.) |
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| Scott - 6225 Posts 11/03/2015 @ 12:23:34 PM |
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 | Alex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 11/03/2015 @ 04:36:47 PM |
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:59:51 AM It looks like one of the things he's said in the past was that Rodgers was being appluaded for something that could just as easily have lost the game when he ran that "fake spike" play against the Dolphins... Ben did that this week and it was really dumb. 1st and 10 at CIN 39 (0:28 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to M.Bryant to CIN 37 for 2 yards (D.Kirkpatrick) http://espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=400791649 If I remember correctly the official could have easily said his forward progress was stopped in bounds and kept the clock running. Actually that must have actually happened since the play by play says the next snap was at 0:12, must have been a different game where it wasn't called that way (yay for NFL RedZone making it one big blur). So he traded 16s for 2 yds when he needed a TD starting from the 39 yard line. I can see going for the quick snap and trying to catch the defense off guard, but then taking the .5s to see if your guy is wide open or not, and if not then throw it away. |
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Dolphins 7 @ Patriots 36
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I really want the dolphins to win here and they have a pretty good chance at it. Woo!Jon
Difficult to predict a Patriots home loss. But with the talent the Dolphins have, this could get interesting.