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Texans 34 @ Lions 31
final overtime
Thu, 11/22/12 11:30am
13 Picks - 93% 1 Pick - 7%
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Redskins 38 @ Cowboys 31
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Thu, 11/22/12 3:15pm
8 Picks - 50% 8 Picks - 50%
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Patriots 49 @ Jets 19
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Thu, 11/22/12 7:20pm
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Broncos 17 @ Chiefs 9
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Sun, 11/25/12 12:00pm
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Seahawks 21 @ Dolphins 24
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Sun, 11/25/12 12:00pm
15 Picks - 94% 1 Pick - 6%
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Titans 19 @ Jaguars 24
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Sun, 11/25/12 12:00pm
13 Picks - 81% 3 Picks - 19%
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Falcons 24 @ Buccaneers 23
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Sun, 11/25/12 12:00pm
13 Picks - 81% 3 Picks - 19%
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Steelers 14 @ Browns 20
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Sun, 11/25/12 12:00pm
14 Picks - 88% 2 Picks - 12%
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Raiders 10 @ Bengals 34
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Sun, 11/25/12 12:00pm
1 Pick - 6% 15 Picks - 94%
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Vikings 10 @ Bears 28
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Sun, 11/25/12 12:00pm
5 Picks - 31% 11 Picks - 69%
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Bills 13 @ Colts 20
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Sun, 11/25/12 12:00pm
1 Pick - 6% 15 Picks - 94%
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Ravens 16 @ Chargers 13
final overtime
Sun, 11/25/12 3:05pm
13 Picks - 81% 3 Picks - 19%
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Rams 31 @ Cardinals 17
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Sun, 11/25/12 3:15pm
4 Picks - 25% 12 Picks - 75%
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49ers 31 @ Saints 21
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Sun, 11/25/12 3:15pm
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Packers 10 @ Giants 38
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Sun, 11/25/12 7:20pm
10 Picks - 63% 6 Picks - 37%
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Panthers 30 @ Eagles 22
Final
Mon, 11/26/12 7:30pm
12 Picks - 71% 5 Picks - 29%
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Week Record9 - 7
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Season Record113 - 62
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Texans 34 @ Lions 31

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May your turkey be plentiful and your travels be safe!
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I enjoy watching the Lions on Thanksgiving.

Redskins 38 @ Cowboys 31

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Gobble Gobble. Round 2 begins!
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Cowboys seem to play everyone fairly close, no matter the opponent.

Patriots 49 @ Jets 19

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Stuffing is just one of those awe inspiring food items.... oh baby!
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Thank someone for something.

Vikings 10 @ Bears 28

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Cutler probably shouldn't come back to his o-line.
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The Bears offense is terrible apparently.

Packers 10 @ Giants 38

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I hate the Giants.
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The Giants have to be ready to explode for a ton of points.

Panthers 30 @ Eagles 22

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Even Tirico had nothing good to say about this MNF game.
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Eagles are really terrible.
sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
11/22/2012 @ 08:46:50 AM
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Happy Thanksgiving!
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/22/2012 @ 02:02:18 PM
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I forgot to pick the early game, but it might not matter, since the Lions might win.

Anyway, talk about a worthless rule to end all worthless rules. If you challenge a scoring play, you get a 15 yard penalty, which makes sense. But, you also the play is now not reviewed at all. In other words, your punishment for challenging a scoring play is that the play is not reviewed at all. I saw a tweet that said "the rule it to prevent delay of game. Otherwise, coach could challenge to keep opponent from hurrying xtra point". But still, that punishment seems ridiculously harsh. That's just my opinion. And trust me, there is no part of me that is rooting for the Lions...ever.

Just imagine if that happened at the end of a game and a coach emotionally threw a challenge flag. Game over, you lose on a technicality.
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Scott perfected this at 11/22/2012 2:03:46 pm
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11/22/2012 @ 11:35:17 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 02:02:18 PM
I saw a tweet that said "the rule it to prevent delay of game. Otherwise, coach could challenge to keep opponent from hurrying xtra point".


That doesn't even make sense, a scoring play is automatically reviewed so the other team can't hurry the extra point anyway...? Guess I'm not missing anything useful by not being on the twitter.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
11/23/2012 @ 12:49:25 PM
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Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:35:17 PM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 02:02:18 PM
I saw a tweet that said "the rule it to prevent delay of game. Otherwise, coach could challenge to keep opponent from hurrying xtra point".


That doesn't even make sense, a scoring play is automatically reviewed so the other team can't hurry the extra point anyway...? Guess I'm not missing anything useful by not being on the twitter.


That was the exact question I asked Kevin Siefert (the guy who tweeted that) and he never responded. Boo on him!
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/24/2012 @ 11:26:47 AM
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I sent an email similar to what you probably sent*. Basically, I understand the point of the rule. If a receiver makes a questionable catch in the middle of the field, and the offense then rushes to the line to try and get a play off, but before the defending coach can throw the flag, the defense jumps offsides or does something else; essentially, this could be seen as attempting to delay the snap for the sole purpose of getting more time to review the play and then deciding to throw the challenge flag. Under a scenario like this (which probably happens fairly often), the rule makes perfect sense. You can't really let a team break a rule in order to allow for more time to then challenge a play.

However, the application of this rule for plays that are automatically reviewed seems well beyond the intention of the rule. On an automatic review there should be nothing stopping the officials from reviewing a play, especially in the age of where officials are told to let close plays play out so that replays can be used (this is another very different but major flaw in the system where teams have a very finite set of replay opportunities that is for another conversation). Basically, there is almost nothing about this rule that makes sense to apply in scenarios involving automatic replays.

(The only way I could see this being applicable is if the officials essentially decided not to call down for a review, then the teams lined up for the extra point, and then the defense went offsides; now the officials can't initiate the replay since the automatic review was already "reviewed".)

*I have no reason to want to Lions to win. I just hate seems teams get screwed and certainly hate rules that make no sense.
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11/26/2012 @ 08:07:55 PM
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Had to quick check to make sure I had picked the Panthers... #Phew
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11/27/2012 @ 08:16:21 AM
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It's a shame one of those teams had to win.
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11/29/2012 @ 12:14:37 AM
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Well, the rule specifically involves automatic replays, so I'm pretty sure they did mean it to apply to automatically replayed plays. Where it slices wide right of the intention, in my mind, is that I imagine what they were hoping to avoid was that they didn't want coaches trying to force a challenge on something that wasn't there. Something like a scenario where the booth has determined there will be no review and an irate coach delays the game by throwing the flag. If there's no harm in the timing of it, I see no reason for it to be such a crushing penalty.

It's also a possibility that they're trying to avoid controversy/allegations that a play only went to auto review because the coach challenged. "The exact same play in week 3 wasn't looked at, but if Belichick wants one, suddenly it's reviewable!!" They've tainted the sample.

I imagine though that they'll tweak it so that it only applies when the booth has determined there will be no "formal" review. Then again, it's such an easily avoidable penalty that I don't know if there will be that much urgency.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/29/2012 @ 07:57:21 AM
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Actually, I'm not sure that the rule does specfically involve automatic replays, but all replays in general (although I'm not entirely sure of the exact verbiage, so I could be wrong). From my understanding, the rule is something along the lines of "an official cannot initiate a replay against a team when that team has committed a foul that delays the snap of the next play", or something like that. In other words, the replay doesn't have to be an automatic replay to apply; if an offense makes a close catch that's ruled incomplete, the offense can't let the play clock run out, and then throw a challenge flag. The same rule is used here as is used in the example of the Lions game on Thanksgiving, so it's not specific to automatic replays. Again, I think the intent of the rule (as it applies to automatic replays) is more so that the delay isn't what gives the ref the time needed change their mind. I think you're right with your last statement that the booth should still be given time to determine whether or not a formal review will be made, and if a delay happens before they make their decision, so what. Officials shouldn't be able to change their mind because of extra time caused by a delay by the team that wants a review.

And avoidable or not, the punishment, to me, seems rather extreme considering the crime. They already get a 15 yard penalty, which seems legit, and I could see charging the offending team with a timeout or a replay challenge too, possibly. Basically, the punishment for wanting a replay on a play that is going to be reviewed anyway is no replay? Considering that the entire system of replay reviews is to let plays "play out" regardless of how obvious a "down by contact" call might have been simply because you want to avoid the 1% chance that the play in question might have been legit, and then put a trigger in the system where the coach that got screwed in the first place places the final nail in his own coffin, they shouldn't be so quick to have an automatic negation of that system. The punishment doesn't fit the crime, in my opinion, considering the intent of the entire system. The rules shouldn't put a coach in a position to screw himself so easily.

Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 12:14:37 AM
If there's no harm in the timing of it, I see no reason for it to be such a crushing penalty.

This is my entire point, so I'd say on the whole of it we agree.
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Scott perfected this at 11/29/2012 7:59:32 am
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11/29/2012 @ 01:10:22 PM
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I guess it depends on which "half" of the thing you're talking about when you were talking about "the rule". The flag for challenging an unchangeable thing is a specific rule, so it should apply here (though arguably should be changed if there's no harm.)

Not being able to review after you've delayed a game with a penalty is indeed just general to any penalty. Problem is if they make it an exception (either not a penalty at all, or not subject to the non-reviewable clause, will people take advantage? I guess I can't think of any specific way, other than maybe it would give the booth, who are in general probably rushing their pre-reviews, time to watch a couple more angles. However, just like the guy's point in that infield fly rule article, sometimes if you change a rule to fix one thing you break 2, and furthermore, this isn't exactly some epidemic. Do you really want to risk creating some way to essentially cheat so that this doesn't happen to someone 2 times a year?

That said, if they do, I say here's how they do it. 10 yards* (I don't think it's worthy of the same yardage penalty you would get for punching a player), and the play is reviewed, always, subject to the usual rules of a challenge. So, you wasted a challenge, and timeout if you lose, on a play that you would have gotten for free. Maybe they can even make it so that you're no longer eligible for the "two right" bonus challenge.

*Or make it 15 yards but conditional on losing the challenge.

As you hinted at, and I fully agree, as we become more and more challenge friendly, the refs are going to let more and more close things stand, and then go look. They're going to err on the side of "gets a free replay", as well they should. So, hand-in-hand with that probably needs to be a loosening of the anti-red-flag rules. You can't let more and more obvious non tds stand, and then double whammy the coach when he can't believe "the call", which was never even intended as a "call", but a pass on making the call, in the first place.

Bottom line, I don't see how you can penalize a coach, let alone so harshly, under the guise of delaying the game, when he was right.
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11/29/2012 @ 01:25:52 PM
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/23/justin-forsett-jim-schwartz/index.html

Why these rules? Because in past years, some coaches have thrown a challenge flag to get the attention of officials or to slow the game down, knowing there wasn't a play to overturn. Then the officials go over to the coach, often get an earful, and there's no review of the play. Now there's a vehicle to punish coaches who throw a challenge flag in error.

So I guess that answers our "why?" and implied "what's the harm in allowing it" questioning. (Not that Peter King was defending the call.)
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11/29/2012 @ 01:32:01 PM
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Even better, no challenge flags and automatic booth review. Next problem!
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11/29/2012 @ 01:40:29 PM
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Well, that would be just crazy. They would have to at the very least test that system out in some sort of subordinate league for a year or seven first.
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11/29/2012 @ 01:54:24 PM
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Ba-zing!
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11/29/2012 @ 02:36:44 PM
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If I were going to address the exact issue at hand, I would not negate the review, but rather give a 10, or 15 yard penalty, plus take away a challenge or a timeout (although, if they have no challenges or no timeouts left, then what?). If I were to address the root cause, I would implement the system that they use in college football. Have someone up in the booth review every play and call down any time a play needs to be reviewed. You can still give coaches two challenges per game to be used when they want to make sure the play gets reviewed, which is what they do in college.

Had the Texans running back not scored a touchdown, you still would have had a scenario where the Lions coach had to challenge a play that had no business being let go except that they want the replay system to play it's part. If you are going to call plays like that, you are just playing with fire. So what if they let a play go on (even though the RB looked like he might be down), because blowing it dead removes any possible options if the RB wasn't down, while letting it go means the play could be reversed. But, what if the defense is out of challenges? Now you essentially "let a play go" so that the system could work, but you just hosed a team because you already did that 3 times. Basically, a coach shouldn't have as part of his in-game strategy "what calls do I want to be called correctly". So early in the first half you throw a challenge flag on a close, but not obvious call, and you end up being wrong. Now, you only get one challenge the rest of the game. How are you to know that late in the 4th qtr the refs are going to "let a play go" so that the option of a replay challenge is there, but you're out of challenges? Basically, the system in place works sometimes, but it's almost as if the intention is to have it screw up just few enough times that it doesn't cause an outrage, but still piss off enough teams to make people frustrated about it.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/29/2012 @ 02:50:35 PM
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It shouldn't be the coaches responsibility to correct a ref's blown call. It should be the officials' responsibility to get the calls correct, if not the first time then by reviewing the calls via video as they happen.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3355 Posts
11/29/2012 @ 10:24:15 PM
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Dealing only with the rule in question, the solution isn't that hard. Keep the automatic reviews, but don't penalize a coach for throwing the challenge flag, unless he is out of challenges. If he has challenges left, the flag trumps the auto review and it becomes a coaches challenge, even if the booth would have called for it. If he doesn't have a challenge, then assess whatever penalty there is for that, and the review is up to the booth.

*Looking back, I see Jeremy said basically the same thing earlier, so consider this an endorsement of the idea.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
11/29/2012 @ 10:33:42 PM
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Coaches really should be able to force an actual review if they want to risk losing a challenge/timeout. Consider the play in the Vikings/Bears game, where the Viking player appeared to recover a fumble and score a touchdown. The replay official initially confirmed the ruling of a fumble, but then changed his mind when he (and the viewers at home) saw a new camera angle. They ended up making the right call, but what if the replay official didn't see it in time, or was incompetent, or whatever. The coach should be able to make the referee go take a look if he thinks the replay official made a mistake.
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