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Jets 17 @ Colts 30
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Jets 17 @ Colts 30

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Jeremy
Sorry Jets, I think you have to get off here. It's been fun though. That is, unless Curtis Painter somehow gets involved again.
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Sarah
Might as well ride the train the whole way
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Jon
In a way, this thing is like a chess match between Peyton Manning and Rex Ryan. But in a way, it's even more like a football game.

Vikings 28 @ Saints 31

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Jeremy
Please, oh please.
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Matt
I really think they can win this.
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Sarah
I cannot emphasize how much I would love to see Favre throw the game losing interception. Not that that'll happen and I probably shouldn't say that to begin with, but a girl can't help herself.
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Jon
Overtime heartbreak? Embarrassing shutout? We've had some experiences. I don't really care about making predictions. I'm ready to watch some football.
fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
01/20/2010 @ 10:51:13 PM
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Wee!
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
01/21/2010 @ 10:01:05 AM
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As much as I hate to see Viking fans enjoy anything relating to football, I actually am finding myself hoping the Vikings go all the way, if for no other reason (and really, there is no other reason) to see Favre win his 2nd Super Bowl.
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images.jpgcraig - 22041 Posts
01/22/2010 @ 10:13:19 AM
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Like the Vikings do you? Well so does Prince! Bet YOU didn't write a song about 'em though?

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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
01/22/2010 @ 10:23:48 AM
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I want 1:28 of my life back. Also, why does it decide the best way to feature his song is to fade it to almost muted (though granted, that is a huge improvement) and show some random TD from the Cowboys game?
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Jeremy perfected this at 01/22/2010 11:08:09 am
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01/22/2010 @ 11:47:39 AM
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I'm still holding out for a Super Bowl III rematch. I know the odds are a bit against me, but I suppose anything is possible, right?
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
01/22/2010 @ 12:00:23 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 11:47:39 AM
I'm still holding out for a Super Bowl III rematch. I know the odds are a bit against me, but I suppose anything is possible, right?


Uhhh, no? I think this week is as close as it will get.

Unless did you mean "repeat" (Jets win) and not "rematch"?
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Jeremy perfected this at 01/22/2010 12:09:41 pm
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01/22/2010 @ 12:35:34 PM
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No, I want a Super Bowl rematch of Super Bowl III.

See, it worked if you realized what I was saying was actually impossible, and that I intentionally said something that was indeed impossible, (especially the part about "the odds are against me". It's as if I know that what I am saying is somewhat off, but haven't realized that it is impossible, when in fact I know it the whole time.).
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
01/22/2010 @ 12:56:34 PM
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I thought maybe you made a typo, or got confused RE:One the Vikings Superbowls, since the SBIII rematch, of sorts, has been a hot topic all week and I presume that your ideal SB would be Jets/Vikings because of the maximum Favre implications. I guess it was just an attempt at humor. emoticon
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scott.jpgScott - On your mark...get set...Terrible!
01/22/2010 @ 01:22:53 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 01:56:34 PM
I thought maybe you made a typo, or got confused RE:One the Vikings Superbowls, since the SBIII rematch, of sorts, has been a hot topic all week and I presume that your ideal SB would be Jets/Vikings because of the maximum Favre implications. I guess it was just an attempt at humor. emoticon


Some types of humor don't translate well over message boards.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
01/22/2010 @ 04:28:53 PM
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Durability concerns about Harvin prove true in the end?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4849251
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
01/22/2010 @ 04:39:25 PM
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Not really. He didn't hurt is ankle, he has a medical condition. Maybe it's the same in the end because the results are the same, but I wouldn't question someone's "durability" if they missed a game because they found out they had a brain tumor, I don't see this as a whole lot different. And, even knowing what we know now, chances are still pretty good we got the best player in the draft.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
01/22/2010 @ 08:18:07 PM
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I think Jeremy is right. If durability simply means whether a guy is able to play every game then ok. But I think of "durability" as a guy who avoids injury and the like. Harvin didn't "get hurt", he has a condition he's had his entire life that comes and goes and there is no amount of work he can put in to simply get through it. In a case like this, I actually feel bad for the guy. Had he sustained an injury, I would surely be piling on the "he's injury prone" talk. But this is different, and in a way, sort of not fair game.
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scott.jpgScott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue.
01/22/2010 @ 08:19:35 PM
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Also, who's 0-nutting all of my comments?
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
01/24/2010 @ 08:41:19 AM
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I zero nutted your wanting to see the Vikes go all the way for Favre comment.

No pants on the ground video posted here?

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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
01/24/2010 @ 08:29:19 PM
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If it's any consultation for Viking fans, I think the all the fumbles are not just due to the lack of inerest the players have for having anything to do with the football as it is the great ability the Saints have for causing fumbles.
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01/24/2010 @ 08:50:56 PM
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Anyone's nerves shot?
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01/24/2010 @ 08:52:06 PM
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I'm a little disappointed in the clock management here. Really? You are just going to settle for a 53 yard field goal?
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
01/24/2010 @ 08:55:16 PM
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The Vikings got to within range of a 53 yard field goal and then decided to basically sit on it. Then the penalty gave you no choice but to throw, and disaster insues. Ill-advised pass, but still, the Vikings should have never been in that situation.
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01/24/2010 @ 09:07:42 PM
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According to McNabb's overtime knowledge, if the the first OT ends with the score still tied, do the Saints and Vikings team up and take on the Colts together?
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01/24/2010 @ 09:23:55 PM
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01/24/2010 @ 09:24:51 PM
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Favre's last 3 playoff losses have all ended in almost identical fashion. Bad INT in OT or right at the end. Favre wants to win another Super Bowl; that is definitely a lofty goal. You wouldn't think his secondary objective of not ending the season with a horrible horrible int would be that hard to achieve.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
01/24/2010 @ 09:43:46 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 08:52:06 PM
I'm a little disappointed in the clock management here. Really? You are just going to settle for a 53 yard field goal?


Must have been using the McCarthy "all we need is a fg" playbook.

What was with the Saints calling timeouts on that drive too? Crazy.
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01/24/2010 @ 09:46:59 PM
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Honestly, I find myself not taking enough pleasure is this Minnesota loss. Stupid Favre screwing it up for me again.
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01/24/2010 @ 09:53:52 PM
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This is gonna be a tough one to get over. Favre played his ass off but a terrible decision cost the Vikings at least a chance at the super bowl. The 12 men in the huddle penalty out of a timeout is unexcusable. Just another way for the Vikings to lose a big game. I think Longwell would have made the 51 yarder, but I guess we will never know.
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01/25/2010 @ 06:01:52 AM
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Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:46:59 PM
Honestly, I find myself not taking enough pleasure is this Minnesota loss. Stupid Favre screwing it up for me again.


This seems to be a not too uncommon feeling.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
01/25/2010 @ 07:58:18 AM
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How many Vikes fans are blaming Favre right now? Seems to be an overly simple solution, given the fact AP had fumblitis and Jared Allen barely showed up. How about that O-Line leaking like a sieve? Anything? Anyone?

Of course, I haven't read all of your comments, but I am reacting to what I've heard here in MN so far and what I anticipate hearing from my coworkers.
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goodlooking.jpgcraig - 131 Posts
01/25/2010 @ 10:25:24 AM
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Has Favre retired yet?
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01/25/2010 @ 10:25:37 AM
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Well, again, everything that led up to that really doesn't matter. Yes the team put the ball on the ground 14 times, and gave away 21 points, but no one decided "I'm going to fumble here," Brett did decide to throw a dangerous pass in the one situation he couldn't afford to, made especially bad by the fact that he could have ran for 5 or so yards and given Longwell a shot. He deserves the blame for that, regardless of what happened earlier. If the Vikings don't fumble the whole game may have gone differently. Maybe the Saints stop playing semi conservatively and realize they can bomb the ball at will. We know for certain Brett gave away a shot at a long, but make-able, field goal.

I don't think blaming the defense would be fair. They played about as good as you could hope, and half the Saints big plays at the end came down to a review that could have just as easily gone their way.

A lot of the hits Favre took were blitzers that he beat with the throw, there's no "leaking" in those situations where there's no one there even attempting to block them. Also, one of the biggest hits, that might have been the first interception, he got high-lowed on, with one of the guys diving at his knees, either part of which should have been a penalty.

And by the way, I don't want to hear anymore of this "Viking fans are so pessimistic" crap. How many times can one fan base be sucker punched before the rational response is "assume the punch is coming, and hope to be surprised someday?" Imagine if every big game you can recall played out just like the Packer/Cardinal playoff game. They start strong, they suck, they get back in, they make a huge mistake, they make up for it, against all odds the games are close, and then you get kicked in the nads in the end by whatever would be the only thing that could go wrong to win it for the other team.
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01/25/2010 @ 10:46:34 AM
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That is a very thought out post Jeremy. I applaud you for being rational.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
01/25/2010 @ 12:54:33 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:25:37 AM
Also, one of the biggest hits, that might have been the first interception, he got high-lowed on, with one of the guys diving at his knees, either part of which should have been a penalty.


I think taken separately they weren't penalties, because the guy that "hit" him high just gave him a little love tap and then guy that hit him low was at his ankles not his knees. But combined, it seemed like the definition of an illegal high-low hit. Though a play or two before there was a debatable "driving into the ground" penalty, so it evened out. And Brees got lifted and tackled exactly the same way in OT, but as we all know there is no roughing the passer in OT so there was no flag.
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01/25/2010 @ 12:59:59 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:25:37 AM
made especially bad by the fact that he could have ran for 5 or so yards


Season stats: 9 attempts for 7 yards, long of 4. 40 years old, been hit 15 times in the game already, bad ankle. I'm not defending the pass at all, it was horrible, but you can't seriously expect him to run the ball.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
01/25/2010 @ 01:03:26 PM
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Well, he said himself he should have ran. There was no one there for a few yards. No one said the play call should have been for him to run, or that he could have ran for the TD.
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01/25/2010 @ 02:28:15 PM
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Or, just slide.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4089 Posts
01/25/2010 @ 06:26:48 PM
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The Elway Helicopter, The Rice Fumble, getting beat by Vick at Lambeau in the cold and snow in 2002(?), Favre throwing 6 interceptions in St. Louis, 4th and 26, 3rd Tynes a charm, these were all easy to swallow for Packer fans? 4 of these games were extremely close and a kick in the crotch.
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01/25/2010 @ 08:01:40 PM
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Sarah Wrote - Today @ 07:26:48 PM
The Elway Helicopter, The Rice Fumble, getting beat by Vick at Lambeau in the cold and snow in 2002(?), Favre throwing 6 interceptions in St. Louis, 4th and 26, 3rd Tynes a charm, these were all easy to swallow for Packer fans? 4 of these games were extremely close and a kick in the crotch.


I agree. I don't think the Vikings have a monopoly on crappy playoff losses. Although, I suppose winning the Super Bowl can carry a fanbase for while. Although, from the Packers perspective, they were good in the 60s and then waited 30 years until the next time they were the best. We are now in the 2nd decade of Championshipless Packers. Let's not get carried away.
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01/26/2010 @ 01:23:06 AM
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Well, no one ever said no other team has had a crappy playoff loss, but only it's hard to make a sale on a Super Bowl loss the year after you just won one as a reason to feel sorry for a fanbase. Most of the rest of those were in rounds 1 and 2, big whoop. The "Vick loss" was following a season where you won the Division by default. The other 3 teams combined for 13 wins. You probably weren't that good either. From 1997 on the Packers are 2 of 3 in NFC Championship games and 1 for 2 in the Superbowl. Cry me a river. The Vikings are 0 for 3 with 3 of the biggest sack punchers in NFL history. Anderson, 41-0, and now a game that they dominated in every conceivable fashion, except it was like a bad game of madden where the computer just decides you're too good for it, so it's going to beat you the cheap way, and even then they had the ball in an ideal situation, and moved it to winable range, and screwed that up too, and there's a very good chance on top of that it was now or never for this team. Some how I don't think Vick kicking the crap out of you in the wildcard round of a nothing special season is the same thing.

In summation, Child please.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
01/26/2010 @ 06:43:33 AM
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Well, the "4th and 1 / 4th and 26" game was pretty much up there, and the Giants game was up there too. I won't argue with you if you think the Vikings suck more than the Packers, though.

I think the single Super Bowl win makes dealing with other things a whole lot easier. Losing the Super Bowl left me with the worst feeling I thought possible about sports. Losing to the Eagles in the divisional round still gets my blood boiling, and I usually put a self-impossed limitation on how much I'm allowed to talk about it. And the Giants loss was just so shocking it still hasn't hardly sunk in that we were that close.

I do know what the feeling is like, and I do indeed feel bad for Viking fans. I mentioned it before, and in case it didn't quite sink in, I was actually rooting for the Vikings, and as I was talking to my dad last night about it, I was actually getting a little worked up about how they could have possibly let it slip away. I do not envy you, that's for sure. But I do know how you feel, and for that I sympathize with you. I intend in no way to pile on or pour salt in the wound.

If I had to rate bad playoff losses for the Packers, it would go this way:
Loss to Eagles (the 4th and 1 / 4th and 26 game)
Giants loss in NFC Championship
Owens, Owens, Owens
The Wild West Shootout (the Cardinals game)--wild card game sure, but the worst possible way to lose; fumble and two consecutive blown non-calls in overtime
(the Vick game sucked, but it is not up there at all, in fact, some regular season losses are probably rated as worse losses than this one. Although, this was the game that broke the "They have NEVER lost a playoff game at Lambeau" streak, which carried its own sense of devastation with it.)
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01/26/2010 @ 12:41:00 PM
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I disagree about the loss to the Cardinals, particularly if you're reasoning is how it ended. If anything, I'd put it on the list because the defense got embarrassed. But I think the Vick game was worse for the reason you pointed out, and the 6 int game wasn't much fun either.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
01/26/2010 @ 01:03:30 PM
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I don't think wild card, or even divisional round, games belong on these lists at all, unless it was a particularly special "lightning in a bottle" type season, like if the 16-0 pats got upset in their first game because of some disaster, or the 98 Vikings lost to the Cardinals on a fluke. Over 1/3 of the league makes the playoffs, and 25% of the league loses in the first 2 rounds. It's hard to make a case those are somehow remarkable. Almost every team has 5-6 stories of woe from rounds 1 and 2 over the last 10 years. It can't really be that much of a stomach punch game until you're so close you can taste it.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
01/26/2010 @ 02:04:19 PM
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The eagles game was a stomach punch. The others, weren't so bad. But the Eagles game still gets my heart rate elevated every time I think about it too much. The Cardinals game will most likely wear off fairly quickly. I think I generally agree with both Jeremy and Alex. However, I still think the Eagles game was a stomach punch game, for me anyway. In other words, there are some exceptions, and I think this one qualifies a little. I don't care how the Packers ended up getting into the playoffs that season.

In some ways, the Eagles game actually feels worse than the Giants game, for me anyway.
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01/26/2010 @ 06:14:53 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 06:43:33 AM
I won't argue with you if you think the Vikings suck more than the Packers, though.


Solid five nut statement.
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01/26/2010 @ 06:32:09 PM
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Except for the flawed premise.
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01/26/2010 @ 07:12:32 PM
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PackOne Wrote - Today @ 07:14:53 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 07:43:33 AM
I won't argue with you if you think the Vikings suck more than the Packers, though.
Solid five nut statement.

Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 07:32:09 PM
Except for the flawed premise.


Let me see if I get this right: The premise was that the Vikings have tortured their fans much worse than the Packers have. Both statements are true.
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01/26/2010 @ 07:18:39 PM
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I have a good friend who is both a Vikings fan and a Cubs fan. You both have it pretty easy.
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01/26/2010 @ 07:45:06 PM
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I think all the games I brought up were punch in the gut awful. We could've won Super Bowl 34, were 14 point favorites, T Davis had a migraine, and it just wasn't meant to be. I am kind of over that. I'll never get over the Owens game, that was absolute bull shite. Rice fumbled the ball! Owens hadn't caught a pass all day! We never lost to the 49ers! Moving on.... the Lambeau Mystique was ruined with that stupid Vick game and it's still not the same. We were winning that Eagles game like 14-0, and just like in the regular season game, the Eagles came back. But this was no ordinary comeback. How often are you going to complete a 4th and 26? Huh??? That Rams game was never ending, each time the Packers got the ball they somehow managed to get it intercepted. Constantly. That game kind of reminded me of this year's NFC Championship game, in that the Vikings just didn't want the damn ball. The 2007 NFC Championship game was horrible. I believed that that season was a miracle season and that the Packers could do no wrong and they would be in the Super Bowl and beat the Patriots again. It was kind of like losing the faith. But that's a whole different story.
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01/26/2010 @ 08:16:00 PM
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The 4th and 26 play wasn't even the worst 4th down play of that game. with a few minutes left, the Packers punted on 4th and 1 from the Eagles 40 yard line. Really? About 3 minutes after the Giants beat the Patriots, I called my brother and said something to the effect of "I do not think the Packers would have stood a chance in this game".

Misery loves company. Considering that most teams don't make the playoffs (which means you spent the season probably cursing at your tv), and those that do make the playoffs, all but one of those teams loses a game they "probably should have/could have won", it is hard to say that one team has any more or less reason to think they are under more/less torment than any other team. (essentially I'm looking at this from the exact opposite end of the spectrum as Jeremy) Comparing the Packers and the Vikings is not a bad comparison. Although the Packers have a Super Bowl win under their belt in the last qtr century, in the last 10 years both teams have had their chances and seemed to approach those chances with utter contempt. The Vikings went to 2 NFC championship games (both on the road), could have won one and got blown out horribly in the other. The Packers went to one NFC Championship, should have won, and had a couple other playoff losses that were indeed punches in the gut. Either way, the fact that we are even having this discussion means that neither team has accompished anything in our adult lives. But we can all rest a little easier knowing that the Eagles went to the 4 straight NFC championship games, lost 3 of them, and then lost the Super Bowl after winning the NFC title in their 4th attempt.

(And just for the record, while I will never forget the Super Bowl the Packers won, I was in 7th grade at the time. Not exactly a time in my life where I really think about appreciating those types of things as much as I would now.)

Here's to every fan whose ever gotten kicked in the teeth, knocked to the ground, stepped on, and had their heart broken. In my incurable optimism that seems to follow me no matter where I am, I look forward to next year as the year the Packers return to glory. Cheers!
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01/26/2010 @ 08:24:00 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 08:16:00 PM
it is hard to say that one team has any more or less reason to think they are under more/less torment than any other team.


Child, Please.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100122&sportCat=nfl

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01/26/2010 @ 08:28:08 PM
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Also, lets not pretend that the Vikings don't have other playoff losses. I just didn't bring them up because they don't count.

You can't count a game as a stomach punch just because it "ended a mystique" seeing as that's a nonsense statement to begin with. Nothing ended that day.

Also, if you're going to count a home wildcard game drubbing, how does getting waxed by your biggest rivals in our only playoff matchup not make anyone's list. (Or was it just THAT bad and you've blocked it out.)
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01/26/2010 @ 08:55:12 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 09:28:08 PM
Also, lets not pretend that the Vikings don't have other playoff losses. I just didn't bring them up because they don't count. You can't count a game as a stomach punch just because it "ended a mystique" seeing as that's a nonsense statement to begin with. Nothing ended that day. Also, if you're going to count a home wildcard game drubbing, how does getting waxed by your biggest rivals in our only playoff matchup not make anyone's list. (Or was it just THAT bad and you've blocked it out.)


I think I can decide which game or games felt like stomach punches to me. That's like the bully on the playground beating up some other kid and saying "my brother beats me up worse, so what I just did to you is nothing".

The oldest stadium in NFL history which had never seen its team lose in a playoff game. Some of us have at least some sense of tradition (and trust me, Packer fans are all about tradition), and just because you don't necessarily see things past what you were around to witness doesn't mean others don't. Tha Packer fans could say "the Packers have never lost a playoff game at Lambeau" would from that day forth forever be untrue. (For the record, I don't necessarily think this game belongs up there among gut wrenching stomach punches, but since it's now on the table, I will defend at least people's emotional response to it. I never put this game on my list, so I'm not sure if you are directing this to me or to Sarah or to Packer fans in general)

I actually sort of forgot about the Packers loss to the Vikings, so it probably was indeed that bad. It was a home game nonetheless, but the "mystique" of Lambeau in the playoffs was over by then.

"Fanbase" torment is one thing, especially if you are looking at it from the long term. I didn't realize we were talking about that. I sort of thought we were looking mainly within the last 10+ years. Yes, if you go back 40 years, the Vikings are no doubt are more tormented as a fan base. (4 super bowls in the 70s, no wins) I won't argue that. I also won't argue that the Packers are a very tortured fanbase compared to most (although 30 years between championships was quite a feat). Although, the Packers have the 3rd highest winning percentage of any team since the age of free agency and yet have only 1 super bowl win to show for it, while 2 other teams have 3 and a few other teams have 2.

My point was sort along the same lines as yours originally that every team probably has a bunch of gut wrenching memories even in recent history. And my point also was that who's to say what is more gut wrenching. I still can't talk about the Eagles game without getting all worked up, because of any season since their Super Bowl years, that seemed like the year. I'm not trying to measure why my stomach punch is worse or less than someone else's.
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01/27/2010 @ 02:49:53 AM
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Lambeau mistique? Really? We're putting that in the same universe as any of the three heartbreaking/demoralizing/heartbreaking NFC Championship games that the Vikings lost?
Scott's right, it's a personal thing, and I can't tell you how to feel. But I just don't see how that game is anywhere close to the level of those Viking losses. Besides, what was the Lambeau mistique anyway? And how good of a thing could it have been if it only came around during the postseason? I mean, they lost a lot of regular season home games that helped them miss the playoffs for years and years between their titles. But when they happened to make the playoffs, they won 11 straight when they were the home team? Why not just call it the "Lambeau coincidence?" Regardless, even if a real important streak was ended there, it's still not on the level of an NFC Championship loss. Add on the nature of the losses and it's laughable.

The 4th and 26 is crappy for sure, and I totally believe it sticks with Scott and every one else. But to put it into perspective, we had our own 4th and ridiculous just a couple weeks before that. That play was decided on a close interpretation of a poorly designed rule and it cost the Vikings the division and gave it to the hated Packers. Even still, if you want to argue the Packers' version was worse, I'll let you do it, but the point is, they're close. Still, I wouldn't put that Vikings loss anywhere near this loss, and by extention, definitely not near the '98 game for heartbreaks.
But that's just me. For the record, any Super Bowl loss is probably fair game for feeling brokenhearted, and I think the Giants game would also qualify, so don't think I'm completely denying the suffering of Packer fans.

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Carlos44ec Wrote - 01/25/2010 @ 07:58:18 AM
How many Vikes fans are blaming Favre right now?


Maybe I've caught the "Favre can do no wrong" bug, but I really don't blame him much at all. Jeremy's right, you can look at it individually as a play, but still, I don't find the desire at all to do so. It was ill-advised, but that crap happens all the time in sports. The only reason he was doing anything there anyway was because we had 12 guys in a huddle off of a timeout. As for running, I'm not going to say it for sure wouldn't have worked, but I know two things:
1. Fast players close the distance on slow players at an unbelievable rate. Like literally unbelievable almost.
2. The last time I remember watching Favre try to run for more than 3 yards, he keeled over after two and I thought he had a heart attack. And that was a good 5 years ago I think. If he says he should have run, that's fine. I'd have double bagged it.

Ultimately, it's hard to "defend" the throw there, because it was intercepted, but it's pretty low on my list of lamentable moments in the game.
But like we've already learned, people can feel differently on these things.
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01/27/2010 @ 07:27:29 AM
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Jon Wrote - Today @ 03:49:53 AM

Maybe I've caught the "Favre can do no wrong" bug, but I really don't blame him much at all. Jeremy's right, you can look at it individually as a play, but still, I don't find the desire at all to do so. It was ill-advised, but that crap happens all the time in sports. The only reason he was doing anything there anyway was because we had 12 guys in a huddle off of a timeout. As for running, I'm not going to say it for sure wouldn't have worked, but I know two things:
1. Fast players close the distance on slow players at an unbelievable rate. Like literally unbelievable almost.
2. The last time I remember watching Favre try to run for more than 3 yards, he keeled over after two and I thought he had a heart attack. And that was a good 5 years ago I think. If he says he should have run, that's fine. I'd have double bagged it.

Ultimately, it's hard to "defend" the throw there, because it was intercepted, but it's pretty low on my list of lamentable moments in the game.
But like we've already learned, people can feel differently on these things.


I'm more holistic as well. If I was a Packer fan, I would have been screaming (and I was) at my TV for why they just ran a couple of time killing stuff runs when they were at about the 53 yard FG mark. When 12 things went wrong up until that point, I have a hard time getting mad at yet another guy who did something just as wrong. How do you have 12 guys in the huddle on the most important drive of your life? That is the ultimate loss of focus, for whoever is to blame for it, if it even is just one guy.

Let's drop the Vick game. I don't know how that made the list.

The Packers have made the playoffs 12 times since 1993, and only 1 Super Bowl in that mix. If that isn't some form of torment, I don't know what is. (although, now that I look, the Vikings have been to the playoffs 10 times during that same span, with no Titles, so I'm not trying to say that the Packers are more tormented; in fact, it actually looks like it just downright sucks to be a Viking fan).
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01/27/2010 @ 10:33:42 AM
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Jon Wrote - Today @ 02:49:53 AM
Lambeau mistique? Really? We're putting that in the same universe as any of the three heartbreaking/demoralizing/heartbreaking NFC Championship games that the Vikings lost?
Scott's right, it's a personal thing, and I can't tell you how to feel. But I just don't see how that game is anywhere close to the level of those Viking losses. Besides, what was the Lambeau mistique anyway? And how good of a thing could it have been if it only came around during the postseason?


Yeah, on top of which, and this is what I meant by calling it "nonsense," is that 80% of the time that gets brought up in an "it opened the floodgates" sense, which is just ridiculous if you ponder that statement for about 5 seconds. "Well we were going to send our backups because we don't stand a chance, but then we remembered that the Falcons won there, so now we're sure we'll win."

Also, about Favre running, again, no one is suggesting he could have gotten 25 yards, but if my I've-tried-to-block-this-out-memory serves, he was basically at the line of scrimmage, he could have fallen down and got 2 yards closer. The 12th man issues are typically the QB's responsibility too. That's why they back out and wait until there's only 10 guys waiting. Though, to be fair to Favre on the int, those are very important yards that you could argue are worth a risky throw. I don't have numbers, but I'd be willing to be that the difference of the odds that a 44 yard FG go in vs a 54 yarder is greater than the odds of a pick. Of course then the pass he chose to throw was virtually destined to get picked, though Sidney probably could have done more to get to it, rather than waiting for it.

And just for the record I don't "blame" Favre, I was just making the point that it's not illogical to blame a guy for a poor decision at the apex of consequence, just because there had been prior misfortunes.
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01/27/2010 @ 05:52:37 PM
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Jon Wrote - Today @ 02:49:53 AM
For the record, any Super Bowl loss is probably fair game for feeling brokenhearted, and I think the Giants game would also qualify, so don't think I'm completely denying the suffering of Packer fans.


Well, no one is arguing that no Packer fan should feel bad about a playoff loss, but they aren't the same thing. First of all, there's an "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" aspect to it that packer fans just don't qualify for. You say a superbowl win 15 years ago doesn't help ease the pain a whole lot, but you have no context to say that, and I assure you, it would. If the 1998 Vikings won the Superbowl it's not like I'd be happy about Sunday's game, but it would be a very very different scenario. There's also a "it's now or never" aspect that's a key component.

Second of all, it is actually different, in all but one case (the 2007 NFC Championship OT loss following the 'too good to be true' type season). Even the superbowl loss, while I'm not saying you have to have a "well, shucks" reaction to it, you won the Superbowl the season before. It's hard to get a sympathy vote on that. It also doesn't qualify for "now or never" status seeing as you were in 3 straight championship games, and 2 straight Superbowls. Obviously in hindsight the window did close after that, but you don't know that at the time, where as with this season, and 1998, we knew that things probably wouldn't happen this way next season.

Obviously I can't tell you how to feel about the 4th and 26 game, but you were only even in the playoffs because of a titanic Viking collapse, and then eeked out an OT win at home in round one. I don't know how you convinced yourself this was "your year" or there was a window closing, or whatever, which is one of the key factors.
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01/27/2010 @ 06:21:19 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 06:52:37 PM
You say a superbowl win 15 years ago doesn't help ease the pain a whole lot


Who are you quoting? I have said the exact opposite of this more than once.

edit: I see where I mentioned the super bowl being when I was in 7th grade. that wasn't an "it was too long ago for me to care", but rather, "I just want another one because I'd appreciate it a lot more now in my late 20s than I did then". In fact, though, I did say that a Super Bowl can indeed ease lots of misery for a while.

Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 06:52:37 PM
Oviously I can't tell you how to feel about the 4th and 26 game, but you were only even in the playoffs because of a titanic Viking collapse, and then eeked out an OT win at home in round one. I don't know how you convinced yourself this was "your year" or there was a window closing, or whatever, which is one of the key factors.


Well, for exactly the reasons you mention, it seemed like fate was on our side that year. Favre's dad died and suddenly the Packers can't be stopped (even the games they need other teams to lose came true). But I think we are sort of past the debate, other than if any non championship game could qualify for a stomach punch, this game qualifies. The music city miracle probably qualifies for the Bills, just as the Frank Reich greatest comeback in playoff history counts as a stomach punch for the Oilers.

Also, why do you get decide what the premise for stomach punch is? Why does there have to be a window closing? I don't think there does necessarily. I mean, seriously, you can't ever know what the future holds, so why should someone have to know that there is no tomorrow? Basically, I don't think that premise is necessarily a key factor.
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01/27/2010 @ 06:34:23 PM
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This sort of reminds me of the discussions you had with your college buddies to see who had it worse off financially; who had the largest amounts of student loans was always the trump card. Basically, everyone was poor except the person we all knew either lived with his parents or they paid for everything.
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01/27/2010 @ 07:44:36 PM
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How can you not blame Favre for the pick. Every quarterback, and even center fielders on the nutcan team, know you don't throw over the middle late. Throw in history, and that throw was beyond stupid.
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01/27/2010 @ 07:45:25 PM
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Also, only guys named Alex got trophies this week.

EDIT: Except for that one guy not named Alex.
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01/28/2010 @ 08:19:10 AM
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BOO! I was rooting for my fellow NFC North team! :(

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/27/pereira-talks-about-controversial-calls-in-saints-vikings-overtime/
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01/29/2010 @ 12:22:37 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100129&sportCat=nfl
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01/29/2010 @ 08:51:13 PM
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I don't really agree with some of those ratings. And, who gave me a turd? Favre blew that game, again.
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02/01/2010 @ 08:41:45 AM
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I turded you, or atleast I will turd your last comment.

QBs can have a massive impact on a game, and yes, if they suck it up they can tank the whole show. But one missed throw does not make a complete loss. In the Vikes game there were any number of plays that could have gone differently and change the whole outcome. One bad throw? Give me a break- Farve was probably chasing vicodins with vodka after that game- hell, probably still is. Nobody is bagging AP for fumblitis... how about the phenominal Jared Allen- did he suit up?

Find a different goat.
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02/01/2010 @ 11:54:53 AM
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The d line was in Brees' face all night. Allen doesn't have to get 4 sacks to have an impact. Also "Nobody is bagging AP for fumblitis"?....please.
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02/01/2010 @ 12:56:26 PM
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Nobody around my office, anyway. Its the intersection Favre-hate Blvd and Cry-and-Denial Avenue.
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