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Broncos 34 @ Browns 30
Final
Thu, 11/6/08 7:15pm
10 Picks - 67% 5 Picks - 33%
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Bills 10 @ Patriots 20
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Sun, 11/9/08 12:00pm
7 Picks - 35% 13 Picks - 65%
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Rams 3 @ Jets 47
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Sun, 11/9/08 12:00pm
1 Pick - 5% 19 Picks - 95%
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Saints 20 @ Falcons 34
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Sun, 11/9/08 12:00pm
10 Picks - 50% 10 Picks - 50%
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Packers 27 @ Vikings 28
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Sun, 11/9/08 12:00pm
13 Picks - 65% 7 Picks - 35%
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Seahawks 19 @ Dolphins 21
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Sun, 11/9/08 12:00pm
0 Picks - 0% 20 Picks - 100%
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Titans 21 @ Bears 14
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Sun, 11/9/08 12:00pm
18 Picks - 90% 2 Picks - 10%
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Jaguars 38 @ Lions 14
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Sun, 11/9/08 12:00pm
16 Picks - 80% 4 Picks - 20%
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Ravens 41 @ Texans 13
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Sun, 11/9/08 12:00pm
18 Picks - 72% 7 Picks - 28%
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Panthers 17 @ Raiders 6
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Sun, 11/9/08 3:05pm
20 Picks - 100% 0 Picks - 0%
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Chiefs 19 @ Chargers 20
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Sun, 11/9/08 3:15pm
3 Picks - 15% 17 Picks - 85%
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Colts 24 @ Steelers 20
Final
Sun, 11/9/08 3:15pm
6 Picks - 30% 14 Picks - 70%
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Giants 36 @ Eagles 31
Final
Sun, 11/9/08 7:15pm
12 Picks - 60% 8 Picks - 40%
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49ers 24 @ Cardinals 29
Final
Mon, 11/10/08 7:30pm
0 Picks - 0% 20 Picks - 100%
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Week Record13 - 1
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Scotttime Record425 - 253
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No-Pack-Vike Record2517 - 1476
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Lifetime Record1102 - 643
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DEN @ CLE - No Pick
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Week:9 - 5
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Week:9 - 5
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Week:8 - 6
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DEN @ CLE - No Pick
BUF @ NE - No Pick
LA @ NYJ - No Pick
NO @ ATL - No Pick
GB @ MIN - No Pick
SEA @ MIA - No Pick
TEN @ CHI - No Pick
JAC @ DET - No Pick
Texans
CAR @ OAK - No Pick
KC @ LAC - No Pick
IND @ PIT - No Pick
NYG @ PHI - No Pick
SF @ ARI - No Pick

Week:0 - 1
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Week:9 - 5
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DEN @ CLE - No Pick
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Week:11 - 2
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DEN @ CLE - No Pick
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Week:9 - 4
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Season:84 - 43
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DEN @ CLE - No Pick
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Week:10 - 3
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Week:10 - 4
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DEN @ CLE - No Pick
BUF @ NE - No Pick
LA @ NYJ - No Pick
NO @ ATL - No Pick
GB @ MIN - No Pick
SEA @ MIA - No Pick
TEN @ CHI - No Pick
JAC @ DET - No Pick
Texans
CAR @ OAK - No Pick
KC @ LAC - No Pick
IND @ PIT - No Pick
NYG @ PHI - No Pick
SF @ ARI - No Pick

Week:0 - 1
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Lifetime:87 - 71
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DEN @ CLE - No Pick
BUF @ NE - No Pick
LA @ NYJ - No Pick
NO @ ATL - No Pick
GB @ MIN - No Pick
SEA @ MIA - No Pick
TEN @ CHI - No Pick
JAC @ DET - No Pick
Texans
CAR @ OAK - No Pick
KC @ LAC - No Pick
IND @ PIT - No Pick
NYG @ PHI - No Pick
SF @ ARI - No Pick

Week:0 - 1
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Season:63 - 41
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Lifetime:99 - 67
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DEN @ CLE - No Pick
BUF @ NE - No Pick
LA @ NYJ - No Pick
NO @ ATL - No Pick
GB @ MIN - No Pick
SEA @ MIA - No Pick
TEN @ CHI - No Pick
JAC @ DET - No Pick
Ravens
CAR @ OAK - No Pick
KC @ LAC - No Pick
IND @ PIT - No Pick
NYG @ PHI - No Pick
SF @ ARI - No Pick

Week:1 - 0
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Season:49 - 30
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Lifetime:102 - 56
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Week:14 - 0
1.000
Season:94 - 50
0.653
Lifetime:182 - 85
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DEN @ CLE - No Pick
BUF @ NE - No Pick
LA @ NYJ - No Pick
NO @ ATL - No Pick
GB @ MIN - No Pick
SEA @ MIA - No Pick
TEN @ CHI - No Pick
JAC @ DET - No Pick
Ravens
CAR @ OAK - No Pick
KC @ LAC - No Pick
IND @ PIT - No Pick
NYG @ PHI - No Pick
SF @ ARI - No Pick

Week:1 - 0
1.000
Season:68 - 49
0.581
Lifetime:68 - 49
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Week:12 - 2
0.857
Season:84 - 46
0.646
Lifetime:84 - 46
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Lions
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Week:11 - 3
0.786
Season:82 - 46
0.641
Lifetime:82 - 46
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Week:13 - 1
0.929
Season:62 - 35
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DEN @ CLE - No Pick
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Lions
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Week:6 - 7
0.462
Season:15 - 12
0.556
Lifetime:15 - 12
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Broncos 34 @ Browns 30

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Matt
I don't see why we should comment on NFL Network games the same as Sunday Night and Monday Night games, since they are not really "national" games when those of us at Nutcan HQ can't even get them on cable.
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Sarah
Either be a crappy team or don't be, none of this in the middle stuff.
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Jon
I forgot to comment on this game! It's like an hour or so until kickoff. Thursday games ruin my routine. I think the only thing that really tips the scales here is that Brady Quinn seems bound to make at least one big mistake.

Packers 27 @ Vikings 28

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Jeremy
It's on like Donkey Kong! The Vikings are better now than they have been in the Childress era. If they struggle early in this one prepare to hear some chanting along the lines of "Fire Childress." Due to the NFL's policy that you have to be without at least one of your top 5 players anytime you play the Packers it seems Jared Allen will miss this one.
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Matt
I'm not as excited as I probably should be.
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Sarah
Speaking of which....
Yes, it's exciting to be in a game that could potentially determine first place of the division.... for the week. And not even all alone in first place. Stupid Bears, always having random fluke good seasons.

Otherwise, meh.
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Jon
Really? Again? I expect this game to be way different from the first game. Minnesota can move the ball much better. One thing that might play out the same though, is that without Jared Allen, I'm not sure if they can get any pressure on ARod, who had all day to throw the ball in week one.

Giants 36 @ Eagles 31

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Jeremy
The Eagles are one of those teams that could win or lose plus or minus 40 and it wouldn't shock me.
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Matt
I'm sick of hearing about the NFC East.
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Sarah
I think we're all a little sick of the NFC East. Let's focus on some other divisions for once.
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Jon
There should be an all NFC East channel.

49ers 24 @ Cardinals 29

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Jeremy
The first thing I said when the first ad we saw for this game came on tv was "SBT." It seems Sarah stole that.
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Matt
Kurt Warner - Hall of Fame?
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SBT
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Jon
Any truth to the rumor that Chris Berman will be interviewing Bob Barr and Ralph Nader this week?
fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?"
11/05/2008 @ 10:04:22 AM
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So...it's Packer/Viking week too. Too much excitement for one week?
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - "Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else."
11/05/2008 @ 12:13:52 PM
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So uh, did the "system" automatically make my first pick for me?
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/05/2008 @ 12:22:46 PM
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We all picked that game before it was moved from week 2 to this week because of the hurricane.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich
11/05/2008 @ 12:27:17 PM
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ah, good call. Thanks for straightening a brother out.
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scott.jpgScott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue.
11/05/2008 @ 12:44:59 PM
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Well, things have changed, I might make a different call.
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flower .jpgPackOne - There's music to play. Places to go. People to see.
11/06/2008 @ 06:21:29 PM
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Remember when nutcan was a never ending stream of comments and activity? Me neither.
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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
11/06/2008 @ 10:48:36 PM
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I did start Royal - 29.1 points for me!
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11/07/2008 @ 10:58:05 AM
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PackOne Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM
Remember when nutcan was a never ending stream of comments and activity? Me neither.


Good point, why isn't there more activity being that it's Packer/Viking week and they have identical records? Personally I haven't been this excited for a game in along time. 5 losses in a row to the Pack, a win would be huge and a loss would be devistating.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich
11/07/2008 @ 10:59:01 AM
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Sarah Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:48:36 PM
I did start Royal - 29.1 points for me!


I did too- in another league. And in another, I had Cutler at the helm.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - I hate our freedoms
11/07/2008 @ 11:03:19 AM
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I think everyone is just overly stimulated this week. Plus, though they do have the same record, they also have the same mediocre record, so perhaps that's another reason the excitement is waning. I have seen people say this is a "must win" for each team though. Of all the Childress coached teams this seems like the best situation.
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11/07/2008 @ 11:10:48 AM
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I really think the Vikings have to win this game in order to have a chance. They are facing two road games in Florida after this that are winnable but tough. Plus the prospect of playing without 3/4 of the starting defensive line in the coming weeks really frightens me. Anyone know whats going to happen with the Williams' situation? I know Allen is probaby not going to play this weekend and if he does it will be limited.
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l_ad719f619e5ad7f4b593814445bf63ec.jpgRUFiO1984 - Two raw eggs in the morning
11/07/2008 @ 01:17:03 PM
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Go Lions! The Bengals did it so can you!!!
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
11/07/2008 @ 02:32:10 PM
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With the Bengals win last week, the Lions now control their own destiny for the number 1 pick! Don't blow it now with win.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3355 Posts
11/07/2008 @ 02:48:29 PM
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Yeah, they need to make sure they can get Michael Crabtree. emoticon
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newalex.jpgAlex - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret
11/08/2008 @ 09:54:07 AM
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Remember last week when the Packers should've won but didn't? I say the opposite happens this week.
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11/09/2008 @ 02:52:19 AM
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Sarah, did you read Matt's comment on the Giants Eagles game? Or the other way around? Or neither? Because I didn't read either before I made mine. But I got a kick out of the similarity.

Jeremy Wrote - 11/05/2008 @ 12:22:46 PM
We all picked that game before it was moved from week 2 to this week because of the hurricane.


I think we should have blanked it out. It's a completely different game. We have much more information, etc. I realize I could have changed it, but I must have not even noticed and then skipped over it because there wasn't a blank.

Before I read the explanation, when I was looking over my picks on this page, I actually got to the Texans game and didn't remember picking them. And I figured it was strange because I probably would have made the other pick. But I figured I just did it quickly and I try not to change after I've already submitted my picks and seen others' picks. So then I convinced myself I liked the pick anyway.
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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
11/09/2008 @ 09:12:00 AM
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Jon Wrote - Today @ 02:52:19 AM
Sarah, did you read Matt's comment on the Giants Eagles game? Or the other way around? Or neither? Because I didn't read either before I made mine. But I got a kick out of the similarity.



I did not read Matt's comment and I thought it was funny just looking at it now how all of our comments are basically the same, save for a word or two.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
11/09/2008 @ 10:29:22 AM
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I just saw a Childress interview snippet, he fears the Packer D!

Specifically the INTs returned for TDs.

GO PACK!
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - www.digi.com
11/09/2008 @ 12:20:16 PM
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Packers' O looks like trash. Packers' D can't stop 'em. What the heck?
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Carlos44ec screwed with this at 11/09/2008 12:20:30 pm
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11/09/2008 @ 12:25:26 PM
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Thank goodness for the MVP!

Sounds like a lot of Packer fans are there.
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Sarah perfected this at 11/09/2008 12:29:40 pm
face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
11/09/2008 @ 12:32:39 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 12:20:16 PM
Packers' O looks like trash. Packers' D can't stop 'em. What the heck?


And then Woodson gets a pick!
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
11/09/2008 @ 12:46:57 PM
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The Vikings owe the refs for that field goal. Stupid BS call on Harris. Just because he's known for illegal contact doesn't mean he's guilty of it all the time. The WR was all up ons that time. WTG jerks.
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
11/09/2008 @ 01:00:23 PM
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What's with the illegal forward pass call?
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
11/09/2008 @ 01:13:04 PM
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I don't get it. There was a WR in the area, was it a penalty because he threw it sidearmed? I really don't understand these refs.

So Gordon got hurt sooo badly that they're not even going to show the replay. I feel so bad for him, if they're not even going to show the replay, it must've been horrendous.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3355 Posts
11/09/2008 @ 01:52:31 PM
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Sarah Wrote - Today @ 09:12:00 AM
Jon Wrote - Today @ 02:52:19 AM
Sarah, did you read Matt's comment on the Giants Eagles game? Or the other way around? Or neither? Because I didn't read either before I made mine. But I got a kick out of the similarity.
I did not read Matt's comment and I thought it was funny just looking at it now how all of our comments are basically the same, save for a word or two.


I made my comments after Sarah, but I didn't read hers before making mine.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
11/09/2008 @ 02:03:00 PM
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WTF is wrong with Rodgers?? Does he know how to play the QB position??? I wish we were getting the Jets game.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
11/09/2008 @ 03:10:17 PM
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Why challenge the AP TD? It just wastes time if it's not a TD and it's a waste of a timeout if it is. This is bogus.
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newalex.jpgAlex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose
11/09/2008 @ 03:11:05 PM
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INEXPLICABLE, THE ABSOLUTE DUMBEST CHALLENGE EVER IN THE HISTORY OF CHALLENGES!!!! OMG, I'LL GOING TO KILL MCCARTHY!!! WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY? SAVE THE TIMEOUT AND GO KICK A FREAKING FG TO WIN THE GAME.

EDIT:SERIOUSLY, MORONS
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Alex screwed with this at 11/09/2008 3:12:22 pm
hoochpage.JPGSarah - So's your face
11/09/2008 @ 03:20:13 PM
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Worst game of football I have ever seen EVER. I'm so mad I don't even know what to say.
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Sarah edited this at 11/09/2008 3:23:05 pm
2887.gifAlex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose
11/09/2008 @ 03:20:52 PM
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Wussy play calling loses the game again. Throw the ball you turds.
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IMG_3063[1].jpgjthompto - 209 Posts
11/09/2008 @ 03:46:24 PM
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Come on. It was a great game. Both teams made mistakes and stepped up and made good plays as well. The play calling had nothing to do with the missed field goal, that thing would have been good from 60, it was just offline.
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scott.jpgScott - On your mark...get set...Terrible!
11/09/2008 @ 03:47:08 PM
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There are very few times when an official can techinally put points on the board, and every scenario deals with the offense committing a penalty in their own endzone. The officials in today's game absolutely gave points to the Vikings for no reason whatsoever. Aaron Rodgers was called for an illegal forward pass because he had an "unnatural throwing motion". What the heck does that mean? Since when are officials supposed to determine what constitutes a throwing motion, especially when a receiver was in the area. Rodgers' pass landed within 2 yards of his tight end, and in fact in one-hopped him into his hands. Clearly Rodgers was desperate, but that does not mean he is incapable of thinking under pressure. He was desperate, but he did look up, saw someone, and made a crazy, Favre like toss to a tight end and came up a yard short. Why is that a penalty. At the time of his throw, while he was falling, he was not necessarily being chased, at least not that closely. He was outside the pocket, and he was throwing to an eligible receiver! I'm pretty sure the refs just made up the term "unnatural throwing motion". At the time, those 2 points didn't seem like that big of deal, but the end of the game would have been much different. Assuming everything plays out the same, the Vikings would have been forced to go for 2 points after Pederson's TD, and worst case scenario is that the Packers are tied with the ball with 2:22 to play, and probably can be more aggressive in the last 1:30. Granted the Packers offense was pretty bad all game long, and really it's a shame either team had to win that game, a BS call that actually puts points on the board and then directly affects the outcome of the game is beyond frustrating. I do not see how the league can justify a call like that, and though it won't change anything, I fully expect the Packers to write the league about that play and I fully expect the league to say that we got that call wrong.

Again, I am not complaining necessarily about the officiating as a whole, and I am not comparing this to the Denver-SD game where the blown call came with like 30 seconds left, but this blown call put points on the board and directly affected the outcome of the game. Win or lose, it is simply a shame that a game can be so turned by a call that bad.



(I agree with the last several comments that the Packers had about the worst 2:00 gameplan and definitely could have done a lot better to get something other than a 52 yard attempt. It was like McCarthy's goal was to make it dramatic and he wanted nothing less than a 52 yarder. Don't read this post to say that I think the Packers did no wrong in the game. My frustration is the decision coming on a call like this, especially when the 5 or 6 other officials could have easily overruled the guy that so erroniously threw the flag.)
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11/09/2008 @ 03:57:49 PM
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The ref made the call as an illegal forward pass, which I don't inderstand, the correct call maybe would have been intentional grounding. They did have a confence after the call and determined the decision to be the right one. I guess we will hear from the league office on if it was the right call or not. Im not an expert on the NFL rules and I don't really want to look them up. Either way, it's tough say that if that play went the Packers way, they would have won the game 27-26. Even if they rule it incomplete the Packers are forced to punt deep in there own territory and maybe the Vikings are able to convert the next possesion to a Field Goal. It was early in the game and you can't just assume the game would have been played out the same way it was. Both teams had chances to win or close the game out and both teams had lucky breaks, you can't blame the loss on a contraversial safety call early in the game.
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11/09/2008 @ 05:11:34 PM
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The refs huddled up after the play. I highly doubt the consensus was to make up a term The viking did everything possible to give this game away. The packers scored pretty much everything off of turnovers. I think Adrian Peterson had more yards than they did as a team. The packers had no business being in this game and I don't understand how the vikings keep inventing ways to let their opponent hang around. Letting them get that FG at the half is inexcusable. Punting on that fourth and 1 is a no brainer. The packers offense was pitiful today all you had to do was not give then anything easy, instead they gave them everything.

I'm typing blind and from my phone but the packers longest scoring drive, i think, was like 48 yards. They were 1 for infinity on 3rd down.

Strap it down already Vikings. This game should have been a blowout. Not a 1 point win that came down to holding your breath on a fg.
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11/09/2008 @ 05:16:59 PM
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jthompto Wrote - Today @ 03:46:24 PM
Come on. It was a great game. Both teams made mistakes and stepped up and made good plays as well. The play calling had nothing to do with the missed field goal, that thing would have been good from 60, it was just offline.


It would have been good from 30, before it drifted too far right. The fact that he can just as easily kick the ball 60 yards as 30 yards is ignoring the part where it's harder to be accurate from a longer distance. They were totally content just to get a 52 yard attempt off, instead of A) getting closer and B) getting another first down yet to take the rest of the time off the clock. And not just in the play calling, if Driver could've made a move on the one guy within 5 yards of him he might've got the first, but instead he basically tackled himself at the defender's feet.

At any rate, the Packers mostly sucked and deserved to lose if for no other reason than challenging that play. Here's hoping for a 3 team tie for the division after next week.

Grant had a 4.7 yard average. Why didn't they run more earlier in the game and pass more later in the game? Just unfathomable. That entire game just made no sense on so many levels, for both teams.
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11/10/2008 @ 08:21:19 AM
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NFL Rules. I cannot find anything here that even suggests there is anything remotely close to an "unnatural throwing motion". If someone can find something in another location, let me know.
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11/10/2008 @ 09:52:58 AM
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Well first off. It was intentional grounding. There wasn't a receiver in the area, relatively speaking, until the ball bounced and changed trajectories and Rodgers was clearly just chucking the ball out of the endzone. So even by "normal" grounding rules it's likely grounding. However, and this is likely where the hunched over, just chuck it out of there ASAP, "Unnatural throwing motion" comes into play: Under Rule 8, Section 3, Article 1 of the 2008 Official Playing Rules, intentional grounding would have occurred if there had not been a “realistic chance” of completing the pass.

So there you have it. You can stop whining. The grounding rule allows a certain amount of discretion, like judgment of intent, in it. Though they did get the call wrong because this doesn't make it an illegal forward pass, it makes it intentional grounding, it would have been a safety either way. Really, had it occurred anywhere else on the field the VIKINGS would have been screwed by it because an "Illegal forward pass" is much less severe a penalty.

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Edit: In fact in the NFL's "crib notes" version of the rule book this is the ONLY way they describe grounding.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/intentionalgrounding
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11/10/2008 @ 10:54:35 AM
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Hey Jeremy, you were at the game right? Is it true that after Mason Crosby missed the 52 yard field goal that the Vikings Audio System in the dome played the "I don't wan't to work, I just want to bang on my drum all day" song. If so, hiliarious.
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11/10/2008 @ 11:08:36 AM
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jthompto Wrote - Today @ 10:54:35 AM
Hey Jeremy, you were at the game right? Is it true that after Mason Crosby missed the 52 yard field goal that the Vikings Audio System in the dome played the "I don't wan't to work, I just want to bang on my drum all day" song. If so, hiliarious.


If not, state your source so we can laugh at them.
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11/10/2008 @ 11:15:32 AM
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Yes, and we all had a good laugh. Then I told the guys next to me how Packer fans seem to have the idea they have the sole rights to that song. (Though truth be told "the packers scored" is the first thing that comes to mind when I hear it.) It was a little extra salt in the wounds for the Packer fans around us who spent a large part of the game taunting, and flipping off, the 8 year old pee-wee football team behind them, and other such "you'd have to be there" things that Soccer houligans would look at and say "Geeze, enough already."

Although, one of this group (that was 5 or so rows ahead us) was walking backwards down the stairs taunting the Viking fans missed his step, flailed for, and missed the railing, then fell down the entire flight of stairs. All you saw was a pair of feet rapidly making their way down the stairs. I guess karma had had enough.

The worst of their group spent roughly 90% of his time taunting the Viking fans, despite being behind a large part of the game. Late in the game, during one of the rare plays he was facing the field for, Ryan Grant busted like a 15 yard run. Before he was even tackled the guy turned around to yell, and dance, in our faces, so he failed to see the flag that was thrown. I made a "holding" signal to the guy and he proceeded to work it into his celebration like I was showing him a new dance move, eventually he turned around, and continued partying, and doing his new move, while he watched the packers get backed up 25 yards.

Also, to address a comment Sarah made earlier, there were, in my estimation at least, way less Packer fans than usual. In fact, the Packers actually returned a bunch of their tickets, and you could still buy them at the door as of about an hour before the game. They were pretty loud after taking the lead at the end of the game. Though, as per usual, couldn't figure out why Viking fans were leading them in the GO Pack GO chant while the Packers were on offense, but were more than enthusiastic to oblige.
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11/10/2008 @ 01:08:44 PM
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can u explain to me why we are talking about a game that has already passed? get over it, the packers lost, its unfortunate, but hey life goes on..... now wtf are the packers going to do for next week?
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11/10/2008 @ 01:43:47 PM
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Have you never been here Jfk? You've been here atleast since last year, which is long enough to know that we will be talking about this game for another season.

Then it will be referenced as the only game that the Vikes have beat the Packers in the last 4 and 5 years.
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11/10/2008 @ 01:44:26 PM
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Jfk10intex Wrote - Today @ 01:08:44 PM
can u explain to me why we are talking about a game that has already passed? get over it, the packers lost, its unfortunate, but hey life goes on..... now wtf are the packers going to do for next week?


Because those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, that's why.
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11/10/2008 @ 01:52:13 PM
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One thing they won't do is rely on any production from Barnett http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3694063
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11/10/2008 @ 02:50:05 PM
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I heard tell of rumors that Barnett had actually been playing pretty crappily so far this year anyway. Is that true?
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11/10/2008 @ 03:05:42 PM
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Mike McCarthy's press conference. The reporter's question in parenthesis. The explanation from the ref said the call had nothing to do with where the ball landed. The ref decided that the throwing motion was too weird to be legal.

(What's your interpretation of the penalty they called on Aaron in the end zone for the safety?)
The interpretation that I was given was that it was an unnatural throwing motion. With that, with the decision they made for the safety, frankly my question was if it's an unusual throwing motion that's completed that's okay, but in that particular instance it was not. That's the ruling they gave me on the sideline.

(Did it have nothing to do with the ball getting back to the line of scrimmage?)
Correct, it was decided on the throwing motion of the quarterback I was told.
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11/10/2008 @ 03:27:39 PM
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Right, because Rodgers was just doing anything possible to get it out of there. He wasn't trying to complete a pass. Where the pass landed was irrelevant. (Well, I think you'd have a case if it did go beyond the LOS) People keep saying "usual throwing motion" as if it was called a safety because he threw a pass side armed. He was flying through the air, parallel to the ground, leg hairs grazing the turf, throwing arm on the back side of the endzone, and he quick flipped it under him to where ever that would land. He was not attempting a pass, and there was no "reasonable" attempt at a pass.

The fact that it wouldn't have been grounding if someone caught the ball is also irrelevant. When would you ever call intentional grounding if a receiver caught the ball? The whole point of the rule is that no one caught the ball because the pass clearly wasn't intended for anyone.

This was really a text book example of what the grounding rule is setup to prevent, so you can bitch about technicalities all you want, but the rule provides room for discretion, and it's painfully obvious what happened.
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11/10/2008 @ 05:30:29 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 02:50:05 PM
I heard tell of rumors that Barnett had actually been playing pretty crappily so far this year anyway. Is that true?


He wasn't playing great. But the guy that came in for him got smoked on the next play, and then I think he had a penalty later, but he did cause the AP fumble. I'd call it more a loss from a depth/leadership (think he's the on-field defensive play caller) perspective than a loss of his physical play. His tackling has been shoddy at best. Hawk needs to step it up about 5 notches now.
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11/10/2008 @ 05:41:42 PM
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Yes, MLB is a pretty important position. The Vikes and Pack are without their guy for the season now. Maybe Urlacher is next.

Though MLB is not as important to his team as the MBL is to Nutcan.
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11/10/2008 @ 05:43:53 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 04:27:39 PM
Right, because Rodgers was just doing anything possible to get it out of there. He wasn't trying to complete a pass. Where the pass landed was irrelevant. (Well, I think you'd have a case if it did go beyond the LOS) People keep saying "usual throwing motion" as if it was called a safety because he threw a pass side armed. He was flying through the air, parallel to the ground, leg hairs grazing the turf, throwing arm on the back side of the endzone, and he quick flipped it under him to where ever that would land. He was not attempting a pass, and there was no "reasonable" attempt at a pass. The fact that it wouldn't have been grounding if someone caught the ball is also irrelevant. When would you ever call intentional grounding if a receiver caught the ball? The whole point of the rule is that no one caught the ball because the pass clearly wasn't intended for anyone. This was really a text book example of what the grounding rule is setup to prevent, so you can bitch about technicalities all you want, but the rule provides room for discretion, and it's painfully obvious what happened.


How do we know any of these assumptions to be true? How do we know that Rodgers didn't know his tight end was going to be in that area, and so didn't bother to look because he didn't have time? I don't think this is up to the ref to decide. This was identical to the play Favre made in last year's Divisional playoff game against the Seahawks where he was stumbling to a sack and lobbed a pass understand to his TE. The only difference is that Favre's pass was caught.

The fact remains in my opinion that the referee overstepped his bounds by trying to read Rodgers' mind in that he wasn't "intending to make a pass". He sort of changed the rule (or added to the rule) on the spot. The Ref should not be charged with the task of reading a quarterback's mind. A ball that goes forward in the area of the receiver--except if that ball is clearly fumbled--is a pass. That ref basically made the shovel pass an illegal forward pass because it is an unnatural throwing motion. Afterall, the natural throwing motion is over the top, not underhand or off to the side.
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Scott screwed with this at 11/10/2008 5:45:23 pm
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11/10/2008 @ 05:50:44 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 05:43:53 PM
The only difference is that Favre's pass was caught.

The fact remains in my opinion that the referee overstepped his bounds by trying to read Rodgers' mind in that he wasn't "intending to make a pass". He sort of changed the rule (or added to the rule) on the spot. The Ref should not be charged with the task of reading a quarterback's mind. A ball that goes forward in the area of the receiver--except if that ball is clearly fumbled--is a pass. That ref basically made the shovel pass an illegal forward pass because it is an unnatural throwing motion. Afterall, the natural throwing motion is over the top, not underhand or off to the side.


Well, that's a pretty key difference. (And no, it's not the only difference.) As for everything else....please. You know he was just chucking the ball out of there. I know he was just chucking it out of there. We all know. You also know this situation isn't the same thing as declaring the shovel pass illegal. Let's all move along now. Obviously there's a judgment call to be made. Who says on any "normal" grounding call there wasn't supposed to be a receiver where the ball went? It is not "reasonable" to conclude Rodgers was actually making an attempt at completing a pass there.
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11/10/2008 @ 07:26:32 PM
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The other difference is that it wasn't Favre. I think even Aikman half jokingly said, "You know they wouldn't have called that on Favre".

Here's a new discussion point. For all the mobility that Rodgers showed in the first couple games, the guy stinks at avoiding sacks. He should scramble more to try and slow down the pass rush, although I'm sure the coaches have told him not to so that he doesn't take any big hits. Which isn't working out very well anyway, he got rocked more than once Sunday. He had 60 yds in 12 carries in the first 2 games, and 65 yds in 21 carries in the next 7 games. Accordingly, sacked 1 time in the first 2 games, 20 times in the next 7.
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11/10/2008 @ 07:43:55 PM
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Barnett was playing crappy all year.

We could have used Favre, Williams, and Ryan yesterday.

The Packers are completely undisciplined, I don't see that changing.
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11/10/2008 @ 09:02:40 PM
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I'm so glad we're playing for the future and didn't try to do anything with the 13-3 record we had last year. Bastards. I've already let my feelings be known about Rodgers, so no point in talking about the past as some people (person) have pointed out. Can't wait til Thursday!
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11/10/2008 @ 09:17:10 PM
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Alex Wrote - Today @ 07:26:32 PM
The other difference is that it wasn't Favre. I think even Aikman half jokingly said, "You know they wouldn't have called that on Favre".

Here's a new discussion point. For all the mobility that Rodgers showed in the first couple games, the guy stinks at avoiding sacks. He should scramble more to try and slow down the pass rush, although I'm sure the coaches have told him not to so that he doesn't take any big hits. Which isn't working out very well anyway, he got rocked more than once Sunday. He had 60 yds in 12 carries in the first 2 games, and 65 yds in 21 carries in the next 7 games. Accordingly, sacked 1 time in the first 2 games, 20 times in the next 7.


Well, if it were Favre the first safety would have been a Viking TD. (All else equal) Rodgers had to make a pretty nice play to keep an extra 5 off the board. Still Favre doesn't have this team sub .500 right now....
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
11/10/2008 @ 09:59:24 PM
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Oh wow, Cardinals intercept and run it back- oh wait, no, there was an offsides. Bah, gotta shoot that guy.
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11/10/2008 @ 10:01:03 PM
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OK, nevermind- fumble and the Cards take posession on the 10?
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11/11/2008 @ 07:58:04 AM
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Congrats to Jay6666 for going 14-0, that's quite the feat. All of you who went 13-1, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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11/11/2008 @ 08:05:02 AM
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What about those suckers that went 0-1?
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11/11/2008 @ 08:30:07 AM
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From JSOnline:

Safety? What safety?
Fox studio analyst Michael Strahan said the first safety called against the Packers was an error by the officials.

"(Aaron Rodgers) threw it in the vicinity of someone," Strahan said. "The ball actually landed outside the hash."

Fox's Jimmy Johnson suggested that Rodgers was wearing the wrong jersey.

"If that was Brett Favre, they would not have called that a safety," Johnson said.

"I don't like the explanation of an illegal pass," Aikman said during the game telecast, after the ruling. "I don't see that there was anything wrong with the pass. That was more a product of intentional grounding."
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11/11/2008 @ 08:30:55 AM
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Sarah Wrote - Today @ 08:58:04 AM
Congrats to Jay6666 for going 14-0, that's quite the feat. All of you who went 13-1, you should be ashamed of yourselves.


That's the third time in nutcan history someone has been perfect for the week, and the other two times happened in the same week.
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11/11/2008 @ 08:37:43 AM
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Thank You....was nervous there for a sec...damn Cards
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11/12/2008 @ 04:32:20 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3698564
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11/12/2008 @ 05:06:25 PM
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"Mike Pereira also said on NFL Sirius Radio that officials correctly called intentional grounding against Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers earlier in that game."

If only that was the call he made. Duh.
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11/12/2008 @ 05:15:35 PM
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OMG. What's the difference? It's a lesser penalty than grounding with the exact same ramifications in this instance. It might even be the right thing to say since that's WHY they were ruling grounding.
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