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Redskins 7 @ Giants 16
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Thu, 9/4/08 6:00pm
1 Pick - 6% 17 Picks - 94%
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Jets 20 @ Dolphins 14
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Sun, 9/7/08 12:00pm
18 Picks - 90% 2 Picks - 10%
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Rams 3 @ Eagles 38
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Sun, 9/7/08 12:00pm
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Buccaneers 20 @ Saints 24
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Sun, 9/7/08 12:00pm
6 Picks - 30% 14 Picks - 70%
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Lions 21 @ Falcons 34
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Sun, 9/7/08 12:00pm
17 Picks - 85% 3 Picks - 15%
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Seahawks 10 @ Bills 34
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Sun, 9/7/08 12:00pm
12 Picks - 60% 8 Picks - 40%
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Chiefs 10 @ Patriots 17
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Sun, 9/7/08 12:00pm
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Bengals 10 @ Ravens 17
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Sun, 9/7/08 12:00pm
11 Picks - 55% 9 Picks - 45%
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Jaguars 10 @ Titans 17
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Sun, 9/7/08 12:00pm
15 Picks - 75% 5 Picks - 25%
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Texans 17 @ Steelers 38
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Sun, 9/7/08 12:00pm
3 Picks - 15% 17 Picks - 85%
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Cowboys 28 @ Browns 10
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Sun, 9/7/08 3:15pm
18 Picks - 90% 2 Picks - 10%
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Cardinals 23 @ 49ers 13
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Sun, 9/7/08 3:15pm
12 Picks - 60% 8 Picks - 40%
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Panthers 26 @ Chargers 24
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Sun, 9/7/08 3:15pm
2 Picks - 10% 18 Picks - 90%
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Bears 29 @ Colts 13
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Sun, 9/7/08 7:15pm
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Vikings 19 @ Packers 24
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Mon, 9/8/08 6:00pm
9 Picks - 45% 11 Picks - 55%
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Broncos 41 @ Raiders 14
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Mon, 9/8/08 9:15pm
14 Picks - 70% 6 Picks - 30%
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No-Pack-Vike Record2516 - 1476
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Redskins 7 @ Giants 16

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Jeremy
There's two types of articles you can count on every year. One type declaring the previous years' Super Bowl winner like the 7th best team, and another wondering why the reigning champs "Aren't getting any love"
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Sarah
Super Bowl Champs - the Giants? They're without a few key players this year so we'll see how it goes. It's good to be doing picks again!
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Matt
Football is dumb.
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Last year I picked Eli Manning, Plaxico Burress, and Brandon Jacobs for my fantasy team.
They won the Super Bowl. I got tenth place.

As far as I'm concerned this game is, at best, the third most interesting sports event going on this night.
1. U.S. Open (Djokovic vs. Roddick, Federer vs. Muller, etc.)
2. Twins vs. Blue Jays

Bears 29 @ Colts 13

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The Bears still suck. Injuries hit them hard last year, but it still surprised me to find out they were actually one of the worst defenses in the league last year.
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I'm really hoping Peyton doesn't start this game so Favre's streak will become impossible to break.
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It's on like Donkey Kong.
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If I had any confidence in Chicago and if they were the home team, I'd think harder about going with them. But I don't and they aren't, so I'm not.

Vikings 19 @ Packers 24

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It's an exciting beginning, but I think I'd like a while for the season to sink in before the Packer/Viking games. You just don't get all that into the first couple games because you're still in preseason mode.
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I don't even know what to think about this season. I'll be watching the Jets on Sunday, that's fo' sure. A-Rod had better not @#%^ this up.
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It seems a little anticlimactic to have this game week one.
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Jon
Can you believe it was 10 years ago that we witnessed the offensive season for the ages? Here's to you Jake Reed, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Robert Smith, Jeff Christy, Randall Cunningham, Brad Johnson, Randall McDaniel and the rest of the offensive line and everyone else, not to mention John Randle and the rest of the defense that did a great job, and Gary Anderson and Mitch Berger, and everyone else. Denny Green, you never seemed to get the respect, but you've got it here.

Now let's go run all over Green Bay in Lambeau on Monday night, just like we did 10 years ago!

Broncos 41 @ Raiders 14

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Who thought this was a good idea?
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Maybe the Raiders have all the right players this year, then again maybe not.
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I'd rather sleep.
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I don't like the chances of either of these teams. Is there a "none of the above" option? No? I'll go with the team that's not Oakland.
fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
08/28/2008 @ 09:56:16 PM
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Let's get it on!
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2887.gifAlex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose
08/30/2008 @ 10:51:17 AM
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McKinnie is suspended for 4 games.
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08/30/2008 @ 08:07:34 PM
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man i've been waiting for this for along time, now
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
08/31/2008 @ 06:08:20 PM
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McKinnie is the only professional football player whos signature I have. I think I'll sell it on ebay.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - ...and Bob's your Uncle!
08/31/2008 @ 06:08:48 PM
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orlando Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:07:34 PM
man i've been waiting for this for along time, now


So uh... where ya been?
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flower .jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
09/01/2008 @ 01:35:51 PM
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Sweet - bozz is back for pick'em.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
09/02/2008 @ 08:18:00 AM
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Here's something interesting. Going into this year, I have the exact same lifetime winning percentage as Jeremy.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
09/02/2008 @ 09:27:08 AM
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Except I've been making picks since you were in grammar school, sonny.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
09/02/2008 @ 10:33:48 AM
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Jeremy's pick success is strikingly as accurate as a weathermans...
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
09/02/2008 @ 10:49:31 AM
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What an odd dig for you to make, Captain Prognosticator.
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Jeremy messed with this at 09/02/2008 1:59:04 pm
vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - ...and Bob's your Uncle!
09/02/2008 @ 01:48:56 PM
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09/03/2008 @ 12:13:44 PM
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<<< Holding Down The Best Overall Record!!!!! :)
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l_ad719f619e5ad7f4b593814445bf63ec.jpgRUFiO1984 - Go Lions!!!
09/04/2008 @ 09:05:35 AM
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join my survival football league! I dont have anyone in it :( i just started it like 30 mins ago :(

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/survival

Group id: 24453
pw: poswr9
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist
09/04/2008 @ 09:49:57 AM
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That password is incorrect.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
09/04/2008 @ 09:52:49 AM
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There was a problem
The password is incorrect. (Error #109)

Jeremy already said it, but I felt compelled to try it anyway- just like back in school when 20 kids were waiting outside a closed door and everyone still had to give the knob a twist.
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09/04/2008 @ 09:55:21 AM
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jay6666 Wrote - Yesterday @ 12:13:44 PM
<<< Holding Down The Best Overall Record!!!!! :)


After what, 10, 11 weeks? GOOD JOB! emoticon
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l_ad719f619e5ad7f4b593814445bf63ec.jpgRUFiO1984 - 219 Posts
09/04/2008 @ 10:09:03 AM
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I think maybe because i put p instead of P :(

Poswr9
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
09/04/2008 @ 02:45:20 PM
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You sir, are correct.
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09/04/2008 @ 05:09:02 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3569109
Interesting to Vikings fans.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - So's your face
09/04/2008 @ 06:03:46 PM
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Here I thought the game tonight was on the NFL network, the nut steered me wrong! Woot, can't wait for kickoff!
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100_0732.JPGorlando - 26 Posts
09/06/2008 @ 10:56:45 PM
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Scott Wrote - 09/02/2008 @ 08:18:00 AM
Here's something interesting. Going into this year, I have the exact same lifetime winning percentage as Jeremy.


i've been here, but duh its been the off season. so now its time to pick'em right
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4089 Posts
09/07/2008 @ 12:20:26 PM
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OMG Favre audibled for a 56 yd TD to Cottchery. It was beautiful but not for the Packers. Jets to the Super Bowl.emoticonemoticon Favre on 4th and 13? No problem
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09/07/2008 @ 05:26:04 PM
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Favre looked pretty good, at least in the first half. I don't exactly see the Jets going anywhere this season though.
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09/07/2008 @ 05:30:32 PM
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"He's a miracle worker," Dolphins fullback Boomer Grigsby said. "He threw that thing in the air and God said, 'Brett Favre will have a touchdown pass.' And he did. That's Brett Favre being Brett Favre."
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4089 Posts
09/07/2008 @ 05:38:11 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 05:26:04 PM
Favre looked pretty good, at least in the first half. I don't exactly see the Jets going anywhere this season though.


I wasn't that impressed with the Jets overall, but those TD catches made my week.
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09/07/2008 @ 06:16:57 PM
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Holy Crap, Panthers win with 0 seconds left!
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jon.jpgJon - 2846 Posts
09/08/2008 @ 07:29:02 AM
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OK, I'm gonna go ahead and start talking about the game tonight.

Can you believe it's here?
OK, I guess I can. But the whole thing is somewhat surreal. I mean, we've been talking about this game for months. And not just us, the national sports media. As far as strange buildups to week 1 games go, this is right up there on the list. Not to mention the fact that it's already a local rivalry and it's coming at the last part of this drawn out opening week. We've had two opening days, but no Viking or Packer games and football doesn't even seem like it's really started yet. The whole thing feels weird to me.

And let's face it, the main character in this drama is the one guy who's not going to be there. But oh, will he be mentioned. One of the worst aspects about nationally televised games is that all they do is rehash the same stuff every game about each team and leave the actual story lines of the game to float out into the ether. But you know what? For now, I'm not going to focus on how they'll probably ruin the game for everyone. OK, not everyone. That one guy who is watching his first football game ever might really enjoy them rehashing every single aspect of the story we all lived through this summer plus all the same anecdotes from the last 17 years. Oh, and that guy will also love the footage of the sauerkraut factory that they are contractually obligated to show. I have the over under on when that footage will be shown set for 8:15 pm CDT.

But beyond all that might just be a really interesting game. And I think the word might is fitting there. I feel like almost anything could happen in this game. I mean really, what would surprise you in this game? The only thing that would really qualify as a shock would be if the Vikings defense is awful. But even that wouldn't be a total surprise, because they're the Vikings. Other than that, not too much would surprise me. ARod could have a passer rating of 0 or 100 something. Jackson could throw 4 tds or 4 picks. Peterson could run for 250 or 2.5, none of that would surprise me. Obviously you can say this type of thing about a lot of games at the beginning of the year, but I feel like it's really the case in this game. For me at least.

I think part of that feeling though, is because I don't even know how Packer fans will react to all the different situations that could come up. A year ago, I knew what to expect. Good game, bad game, close game, we all pretty much knew what the reaction would be. But I don't know what to make of things now. We're living in a world where I spent most of the summer defending Favre. I was half-cheering for the guy on Sunday. How will this game play out and what will it mean to Packer fans? Tell me this, Packer fans, do you know how you'll react? Deep down, are you storing up some contempt, specially earmarked for Rodgers if he sucks? Or for Ted Thompson? Or are you resolute to stay positive? Will it be positivity up to a point? Are you going to just see what happens and play it by ear? I'm curious. It's gotta be tough. I'm not sure how I would feel.

Actually I'm not totally sure how I do feel about the whole thing. As a few of us have discussed (in person), it's hard to want Aaron Rodgers to do really badly, even as Viking fans, because he's in a tough spot and I think he's actually been pretty cool through the whole thing. I'm sort of an Aaron Rodgers fan in a weird way. But I also want the Packers to suck hardcore this season. Not just because of the usual reasons, but because they seemed to screw this whole thing up so badly, it'd be annoying if it didn't end up falling apart. Of course, for this game I hope the Vikings win by about 40some points and I hope they sack Rodgers 10 times.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - You had me at "Hello"
09/08/2008 @ 07:37:03 AM
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I didn't feel like reading all of that. Can you paraphrase? Or I can just read later this afternoon.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4089 Posts
09/08/2008 @ 08:00:55 AM
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Um, go Packers? I feel like I already watched my team play this week (what a QB!) I know I'll be more excited at kickoff, but for now I'm just glad Favre won. If Rodgers makes one mistake, I am going to boo. Maybe not necessarily at Rodgers, but at management for letting our hero walk into the sunset someplace else.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
09/08/2008 @ 09:29:33 AM
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Favre didn't win, the NY Jets won. As a matter of fact, the whole NY Jets organization is now 1-0 with an asterisk*.

I will miss most of tonight's game (will fire up the DVR) because I start a night class tonight (5-9:30). Yuck.

*- they can now say they screwed the GBP and Packer Nation.
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09/08/2008 @ 09:40:17 AM
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Scott Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM
Favre looked pretty good, at least in the first half. I don't exactly see the Jets going anywhere this season though.


Now that Tom Brady is done for the year, that division is wide open. The Bills and Jets may have to fight it out, the Jets should make the playoffs at least in a now wide open AFC. Amazing how one injury can alter an entire season. If I were the Pats I would be calling Culpepper.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
09/08/2008 @ 10:16:50 AM
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Yeah. Even in this weekend of upsets, and week one in general, this one is hard to call. I wouldn't be surprised by a 24 point win in either direction, or another boring, sloppy, 3 million error, 9-6 ballgame.

I'm going to be awfully pissed if the Packers luck into another QB. Out of karmic fairness, and especially after how they handled the situation, they deserve to be a team that flounders at the quarterback position for the better part of a decade before they find someone semi adequate, like every other team.

They're still the Packers though, so Rodgers will be the MVP and Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson will get hurt on their first plays.
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Jeremy messed with this at 09/08/2008 10:18:50 am
scott.jpgScott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on?
09/08/2008 @ 10:56:17 AM
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Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 06:26:04 PM
Favre looked pretty good, at least in the first half. I don't exactly see the Jets going anywhere this season though.
Now that Tom Brady is done for the year, that division is wide open. The Bills and Jets may have to fight it out, the Jets should make the playoffs at least in a now wide open AFC. Amazing how one injury can alter an entire season. If I were the Pats I would be calling Culpepper.


Amazing how an injury can completely change everyone's opinions of a team even before said team has a chance to prove themselves in response to said injury (Anyone remember Kurt Warner, or Tom Brady for that matter).
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09/08/2008 @ 11:15:01 AM
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Well, there are exceptions of course, but the overwhelming majority of the time the team goes in the toilet. Most quarterbacks don't pan out, period.
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09/08/2008 @ 12:07:43 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:16:50 AM
Yeah. Even in this weekend of upsets, and week one in general, this one is hard to call. I wouldn't be surprised by a 24 point win in either direction, or another boring, sloppy, 3 million error, 9-6 ballgame. I'm going to be awfully pissed if the Packers luck into another QB. Out of karmic fairness, and especially after how they handled the situation, they deserve to be a team that flounders at the quarterback position for the better part of a decade before they find someone semi adequate, like every other team. They're still the Packers though, so Rodgers will be the MVP and Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson will get hurt on their first plays.


Didn't we have that with the dude before Brett?
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scott.jpgScott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue.
09/08/2008 @ 12:25:12 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 12:15:01 PM
Well, there are exceptions of course, but the overwhelming majority of the time the team goes in the toilet. Most quarterbacks don't pan out, period.


True, but they haven't even ran a practice yet and people are already writing them off. I mean, Brady is good, but the Patriots are good too. They have a team that isn't weak at very many positions. I don't think Brady means as much to his teams success as other QBs might, just because the talent around him is so good.
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09/08/2008 @ 03:42:37 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 12:25:12 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 11:15:01 AM
Well, there are exceptions of course, but the overwhelming majority of the time the team goes in the toilet. Most quarterbacks don't pan out, period.
True, but they haven't even ran a practice yet and people are already writing them off. I mean, Brady is good, but the Patriots are good too. They have a team that isn't weak at very many positions. I don't think Brady means as much to his teams success as other QBs might, just because the talent around him is so good.


I agree with you Scott, but come on- this injury gives Pats-haters an excellent opportunity to talk trash.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
09/08/2008 @ 05:47:48 PM
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Look, I know you Packer fans have no concept of how important a QB is. Hopefully you'll start coming to that realization in about 15 minutes here. Suffice to say this, did you see how ordinary the Colts looked last night with even a slightly off Peyton Manning? It's important. Yes the Pats are a talented team with or without Brady. That doesn't mean prematurely writing them off is more likely than not errant. It has nothing to do with "hating." The odds Matt Cassell is a competent QB are about 30-40% the odds he's as good as Brady is about .01%. Odds are they are not going to do as well as they would have with Brady. I don't even know how you could argue otherwise.

For one thing it would even be hard to judge success. They went undefeated last season. Would 13-3 be a success or failure this year?
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09/08/2008 @ 06:09:33 PM
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I'm not arguing otherwise: doing well and writing them off are two different things. I don't think you could ever judge a 13-3 season as anything but a success. They might not win the Super Bowl again this year, and that could be considered a failure (probably will, and it probably should in all reality), but I will have to see actual proof that the Jets are as good as the Patriots without Brady. Good thing we don't have to wait too long to find out.

I also never meant to imply that Matt Cassell is going to step in and be a boy-wonder or anything like that. But the Patriots could have won with Brady throwing 30 tds last year instead of 50. My point is that if Brady were say on the Bengals and got hurt, that would be a lot more crushing of a loss than him being on the Patriots. I still will probably pick the Patriots in most of their games this season.
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09/08/2008 @ 06:36:55 PM
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Awful
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09/08/2008 @ 06:54:09 PM
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I take it the refs get paid by the penalty?
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09/08/2008 @ 08:01:35 PM
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screw that
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09/08/2008 @ 08:02:40 PM
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Wow, have these guys ever played football?
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09/08/2008 @ 08:50:57 PM
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Coaches have to stop going for 2 before it's absolutely necessary.

Also, apparently Al Harris and Woodson have to actually slit someone's throat do get a flag against them, but even then only if blood is visible.

Clifton has been tackling Allen all night.
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09/08/2008 @ 09:06:19 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 08:50:57 PM
Coaches have to stop going for 2 before it's absolutely necessary.


What about those situations that call for Extreme Strategery?
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
09/08/2008 @ 09:17:27 PM
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Hey Bigby- LAY DOWN.


VICTORY!!!!
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09/08/2008 @ 09:18:51 PM
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Aaron Rodgers looks so mobile in the victory formation emoticon
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09/08/2008 @ 09:24:40 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 09:17:27 PM
Hey Bigby- LAY DOWN.


VICTORY!!!!

Seriously, what was Bigby thinking???
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09/08/2008 @ 09:43:30 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:16:50 AM


Yeah. Even in this weekend of upsets, and week one in general, this one is hard to call. I wouldn't be surprised by a 24 point win in either direction, or another boring, sloppy, 3 million error, 9-6 ballgame.

I'm going to be awfully pissed if the Packers luck into another QB. Out of karmic fairness, and especially after how they handled the situation, they deserve to be a team that flounders at the quarterback position for the better part of a decade before they find someone semi adequate, like every other team.

They're still the Packers though, so Rodgers will be the MVP and Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson will get hurt on their first plays.


Well I guess though the score was wrong file that under the sloppy, 3 million error, down-to-the-wire-ish category.

Rodgers was ok, Nice play on the TD, above average the rest of the time. It's weird to have a QB back there that can run. Things might be different once teams start getting ahold of game film.

Though things changed by the end I was getting a little tired of the announcers declaring T-Jack's career over because he wasn't completing many passes (not all that often noting he'd only even attempted 4) Meanwhile they were declaring A-Rod a half-of-famer after a jump ball completion that could have just as easily been a pick, and certainly could have been swatted away, if the defender didn't mistime his jump by roughly 6.3 hours.

It was a tale of two halves and both QB's did a pretty good job in "their" half of moving the ball.

I guess I can't be too upset by the loss, you probably should win divisional home games. It's going to be a rough start for the Vikes with the next couple, I think.
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09/08/2008 @ 10:10:56 PM
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When aren't the announcers annoying? Rodgers was good, the play calling got a bit wussy at points but they did just enough. Jackson wasn't horrible and they controlled the ball most of the second half, but the Packers were blitzing a lot and not really sacking him so you would think they could have made some big passing plays, but all he could do was scramble (although Harris was a fingertip away from giving up a big TD).

I could watch that Rodgers touchdown pass a million times and still be amazed.

The massive amount of penalties really just took away from the game for both sides I think, and I'm pretty sure I remember that head ref from a couple of over penalized games last year too.
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09/08/2008 @ 10:25:26 PM
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I'm sure it was just the camera angle but it looked like Rodgers threw a curveball that broke to the left 30 degrees after clearing the defender.
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09/09/2008 @ 01:19:50 AM
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I'm almost positive I'll be accused of sour grapes and homerism, but I feel like the Vikings got boned pretty badly on two plays.

Don't misunderstand though, the Vikings played pretty crappily and there are a lot of reasons they didn't win. I don't think the refs took the Vikings from a sure win to a loss necessarily, and I'm not claiming any conspiracy or anything like that. But I can't help but be frustrated with two big calls I think they blew.

That one they challenged should have been a catch, down by contact, with the ball popping out after he hit the ground.

As I remember it, he caught the ball, had both feet down, turned and lowered his shoulder to take the hit. Took the hit, hit the ground and the ball came loose. What more did he need to do? He did everything but put it in a shoebox. And don't make a "football move" reference, because that's not the actual rule. (and I would say he made one by bracing himself for a hit anyway) The ball didn't come out before he hit the ground, or even "start to come out," whatever that means. I'm tired of the NFL refs and their ill-conceived and inconsistent notions of what a catch is. You shouldn't even bother to challenge the plays because they always go and look for 5 minutes just to come to the conclusion that, "well, he had two hands on the ball, two feet down, but it came out later, so he must have never really had control."
And yeah this one happened to my favorite team, but I've felt this way about the referees on these plays for a couple years now.

So, instead of being around midfield with the ball, Minnesota ends up punting a few plays later from their own 27 and it's returned for a touchdown.
(edit: They also would have had their timeout to use at another time rather than have it taken away for an "incorrect" challenge)

The other one was probably even more egregious. fourth quarter on third down. The drive before their final touchdown. 3rd and 1, on our own 27 and Bobby Wade got tackled before the ball even got there. But no pass interference was called. Should have been first down, spot of the foul. No call, and we had to punt.

Either one of those calls could have completely changed the rest of the game.

Look, bad calls happen all the time, and I was obviously watching from a Viking fan perspective. Maybe you think the refs blew a call against the Packers. Fine. Maybe so. That still doesn't mean that they didn't blow these calls (I defy you to tell me that wasn't pass interference at least).
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09/09/2008 @ 02:30:45 AM
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By the way, there's a live blog of the game from yahoo

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner

They thought it was a catch. Both guys.

Here's an excerpt.

9:09 Chris Chase - Incomplete???? Wow.

9:09 Scott Pianowski - Alrighty then. Triplette sees a different game.
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09/09/2008 @ 05:47:41 AM
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OK, not to bog you down with too many posts, but this article has a few entertaining lines (non packer viking related)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/080908
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09/09/2008 @ 08:09:34 AM
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In another post I think I gave Sarah crap for saying something about how now that Football season is here, that baseball would come in a far second. After week one I find that I have lost my patience with baseball, and barring the Twins/Brewers, I will probably not give a damn about it anymore.

I was wrong Sarah, and I apologize. emoticon
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09/09/2008 @ 09:37:18 AM
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Jon Wrote - Today @ 02:19:50 AM
I'm almost positive I'll be accused of sour grapes and homerism, but I feel like the Vikings got boned pretty badly on two plays. Don't misunderstand though, the Vikings played pretty crappily and there are a lot of reasons they didn't win. I don't think the refs took the Vikings from a sure win to a loss necessarily, and I'm not claiming any conspiracy or anything like that. But I can't help but be frustrated with two big calls I think they blew. That one they challenged should have been a catch, down by contact, with the ball popping out after he hit the ground. As I remember it, he caught the ball, had both feet down, turned and lowered his shoulder to take the hit. Took the hit, hit the ground and the ball came loose. What more did he need to do? He did everything but put it in a shoebox. And don't make a "football move" reference, because that's not the actual rule. (and I would say he made one by bracing himself for a hit anyway) The ball didn't come out before he hit the ground, or even "start to come out," whatever that means. I'm tired of the NFL refs and their ill-conceived and inconsistent notions of what a catch is. You shouldn't even bother to challenge the plays because they always go and look for 5 minutes just to come to the conclusion that, "well, he had two hands on the ball, two feet down, but it came out later, so he must have never really had control." And yeah this one happened to my favorite team, but I've felt this way about the referees on these plays for a couple years now. So, instead of being around midfield with the ball, Minnesota ends up punting a few plays later from their own 27 and it's returned for a touchdown. (edit: They also would have had their timeout to use at another time rather than have it taken away for an "incorrect" challenge) The other one was probably even more egregious. fourth quarter on third down. The drive before their final touchdown. 3rd and 1, on our own 27 and Bobby Wade got tackled before the ball even got there. But no pass interference was called. Should have been first down, spot of the foul. No call, and we had to punt. Either one of those calls could have completely changed the rest of the game. Look, bad calls happen all the time, and I was obviously watching from a Viking fan perspective. Maybe you think the refs blew a call against the Packers. Fine. Maybe so. That still doesn't mean that they didn't blow these calls (I defy you to tell me that wasn't pass interference at least).


On that 70 yard TD pass that was called back, the O-lineman that was flagged for being downfield was at the first down yellow line when the ball was thrown. Because it was a 2nd and 4 play, that means that the o-lineman was only 4 yards downfield, not 5. I agree though that the reffing was not up to par at times.
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09/09/2008 @ 12:36:23 PM
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I was actually reading an article a week ago about football rules and I don't think the NFL rulebook is really publicly available and the announcers were about just as clueless since they made no attempt to explain the ruling on that incomplete pass, but what I am pretty sure about is that the "football move" terminology has been removed and on a catch in the end zone at least the receiver must maintain control of the football when he goes to the ground. What I'm not sure about is if that going to ground rule applies to the rest of the field, but after that call I'm assuming it does since I don't see how else it could be ruled incomplete.

Some of the pass interference penalties that were called on the Packers were pretty borderline, so I'd call area even.

I didn't bother to check again with the DVR, but on the 3rd and 5 where KGB was offsides, I think he actually didn't start moving until the center moved the ball. He was just so much faster than everyone else that it looked like he jumped the gun. That drive went another 4 minutes, looked like it started to wear out the Packers defense, and ended in a TD. Again though, not too sure on the rules about when exactly the defense is allowed to cross the line of scrimage.
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09/09/2008 @ 01:07:18 PM
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off topic.. eff the Lions. I hate them
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09/09/2008 @ 05:13:48 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 08:09:34 AM
In another post I think I gave Sarah crap for saying something about how now that Football season is here, that baseball would come in a far second. After week one I find that I have lost my patience with baseball, and barring the Twins/Brewers, I will probably not give a damn about it anymore.

I was wrong Sarah, and I apologize. emoticon


Apology semi-accepted. If the Twins weren't the suckiest team in baseball, maybe I wouldn't have said it, but it's hard to keep watching/paying attention after they give up the lead every game in the late innings.
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09/09/2008 @ 07:52:13 PM
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Scott Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM
Jon Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM
I'm almost positive I'll be accused of sour grapes and homerism, but I feel like the Vikings got boned pretty badly on two plays. Don't misunderstand though, the Vikings played pretty crappily and there are a lot of reasons they didn't win. I don't think the refs took the Vikings from a sure win to a loss necessarily, and I'm not claiming any conspiracy or anything like that. But I can't help but be frustrated with two big calls I think they blew. That one they challenged should have been a catch, down by contact, with the ball popping out after he hit the ground. As I remember it, he caught the ball, had both feet down, turned and lowered his shoulder to take the hit. Took the hit, hit the ground and the ball came loose. What more did he need to do? He did everything but put it in a shoebox. And don't make a "football move" reference, because that's not the actual rule. (and I would say he made one by bracing himself for a hit anyway) The ball didn't come out before he hit the ground, or even "start to come out," whatever that means. I'm tired of the NFL refs and their ill-conceived and inconsistent notions of what a catch is. You shouldn't even bother to challenge the plays because they always go and look for 5 minutes just to come to the conclusion that, "well, he had two hands on the ball, two feet down, but it came out later, so he must have never really had control." And yeah this one happened to my favorite team, but I've felt this way about the referees on these plays for a couple years now. So, instead of being around midfield with the ball, Minnesota ends up punting a few plays later from their own 27 and it's returned for a touchdown. (edit: They also would have had their timeout to use at another time rather than have it taken away for an "incorrect" challenge) The other one was probably even more egregious. fourth quarter on third down. The drive before their final touchdown. 3rd and 1, on our own 27 and Bobby Wade got tackled before the ball even got there. But no pass interference was called. Should have been first down, spot of the foul. No call, and we had to punt. Either one of those calls could have completely changed the rest of the game. Look, bad calls happen all the time, and I was obviously watching from a Viking fan perspective. Maybe you think the refs blew a call against the Packers. Fine. Maybe so. That still doesn't mean that they didn't blow these calls (I defy you to tell me that wasn't pass interference at least).
On that 70 yard TD pass that was called back, the O-lineman that was flagged for being downfield was at the first down yellow line when the ball was thrown. Because it was a 2nd and 4 play, that means that the o-lineman was only 4 yards downfield, not 5. I agree though that the reffing was not up to par at times.


The challange really puzzled me that it was not overturned. And the Vikings were also hosed on a very long pass play to Berrian in the first half. Al Harris pretty much pulled him to the ground on that one. The Touchdown that was called back for Green Bay, I am not sure of because I didn't see footage of the lineman.

On the 3rd and 1 play I also agree there should have been a PI call. That one was more blatent than ever. But what were the Vikings doing passing in that situation. They also lined up in a shotgun. A run to AP or a QB draw may have been smarter calls.

But in the end the Packers played better and probably had the better game plan to win the game. McCarthy didn't allow Rodgers to do too much and this game will really help his confidence. T-Jack showed that the didn't play enough in the preseason as it took him till the second half to get going. But its only the first game and as a Vikings fan I am not that dissaponted in the performance of the team. Although the secondary needs help.
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09/09/2008 @ 07:59:16 PM
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RUFiO1984 Wrote - Today @ 01:07:18 PM
off topic.. eff the Lions. I hate them


The curse of Barry Sanders continues
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09/10/2008 @ 02:43:10 AM
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Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 12:36:23 PM
I was actually reading an article a week ago about football rules and I don't think the NFL rulebook is really publicly available...


Yeah, when I went to look at the rules, I noticed that this link http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/digestofrules takes you to a "digest" of the rules. Basically a more friendly, but less precise and less technical version of the rules that they give out to media and fans. Which is fine in a sense, but since you know there could be more to any given rule, the digest is ultimately kind of worthless.

With a bit more searching, I found what seemed to be the full version of the 2006 rule book in pdf form. But that was the best I could do in the short time I allotted for a search.
I can't necessarily be sure of its authenticity though because anyone could have created it if they took enough time and energy.
blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/media/2006 NFL RULEBOOK.pdf

OK, I'll excerpt it here, in bold, even if it might be fake.


Player Possession Article 7

A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds
(See 3-2-3).
To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered,
a player must have complete control of the ball and have both feet completely on the
ground inbounds or any other part of his body, other than his hands, on the ground inbounds.
If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other
part of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous,
there is no possession. This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone.


Catch

A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in
flight (See 3-20; 8-1-7-S.N. 5).
Note: It is a catch if in the process of attempting to catch the ball, a player secures control
of the ball prior to the ball touching the ground and that control is maintained after the
ball has touched the ground.
The terms catch, intercept, recover, advance, and fumble denote player possession (as
distinguished from touching or muffing).



That comes from page 6 of the book, more importatly page 14 of the pdf file.

It's obviously pretty technical, but here's my take. I'm guessing the "football move" thing might have come about regarding the "simultaneous" act of losing the ball and having two feet down in play. Basically meaning, it's not enough to just have the ball secured at the instant you are in play with two feet down (or one knee, etc.), you have to maintain the possession after that very instant.
I'm not sure the "football move" thing was ever actually codified or if it was just a way to explain that if control of the ball is lost at the exact time you first have the two feet down in play, then it doesn't count. Or, basically, if the two parts of the catch (1.securing the ball and 2. touching in bounds) both happen but part 2 coincides with the player then losing the ball, it doesn't count.

In the Vikings play, he had two feet down and had the ball. He was then hit, still had the ball, and then hit the ground and lost the ball. But since that hitting of the ground wasn't when he established himself on the field of play (he had done that already after catching the ball and having foot one and two planted on the ground), I don't see why it wasn't a catch. At least in 2006.
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09/10/2008 @ 09:40:29 AM
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a bit anal, don't you think?
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09/10/2008 @ 10:45:05 AM
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Jon Wrote - Today @ 03:43:10 AM
Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 01:36:23 PM
I was actually reading an article a week ago about football rules and I don't think the NFL rulebook is really publicly available...
Yeah, when I went to look at the rules, I noticed that this link http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/digestofrules takes you to a "digest" of the rules. Basically a more friendly, but less precise and less technical version of the rules that they give out to media and fans. Which is fine in a sense, but since you know there could be more to any given rule, the digest is ultimately kind of worthless. With a bit more searching, I found what seemed to be the full version of the 2006 rule book in pdf form. But that was the best I could do in the short time I allotted for a search. I can't necessarily be sure of its authenticity though because anyone could have created it if they took enough time and energy. blogmedia.thenewstribune.com/media/2006 NFL RULEBOOK.pdf OK, I'll excerpt it here, in bold, even if it might be fake. Player Possession Article 7 A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds (See 3-2-3). To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have complete control of the ball and have both feet completely on the ground inbounds or any other part of his body, other than his hands, on the ground inbounds. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession. This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone. Catch A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in flight (See 3-20; 8-1-7-S.N. 5). Note: It is a catch if in the process of attempting to catch the ball, a player secures control of the ball prior to the ball touching the ground and that control is maintained after the ball has touched the ground. The terms catch, intercept, recover, advance, and fumble denote player possession (as distinguished from touching or muffing). That comes from page 6 of the book, more importatly page 14 of the pdf file. It's obviously pretty technical, but here's my take. I'm guessing the "football move" thing might have come about regarding the "simultaneous" act of losing the ball and having two feet down in play. Basically meaning, it's not enough to just have the ball secured at the instant you are in play with two feet down (or one knee, etc.), you have to maintain the possession after that very instant. I'm not sure the "football move" thing was ever actually codified or if it was just a way to explain that if control of the ball is lost at the exact time you first have the two feet down in play, then it doesn't count. Or, basically, if the two parts of the catch (1.securing the ball and 2. touching in bounds) both happen but part 2 coincides with the player then losing the ball, it doesn't count. In the Vikings play, he had two feet down and had the ball. He was then hit, still had the ball, and then hit the ground and lost the ball. But since that hitting of the ground wasn't when he established himself on the field of play (he had done that already after catching the ball and having foot one and two planted on the ground), I don't see why it wasn't a catch. At least in 2006.


Good investigating.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
09/10/2008 @ 11:35:19 AM
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Well, I think the rule changed this year anyway, from "football move" to "discernible length of time." I guess they felt that cleared up some ambiguity.

The way I see it is this, had he held onto the ball throughout the whole thing it would have been a catch. He got two feet down, obviously in bounds, he wasn't bobbling it, ect. Add that fact to what it means to "be down" and the rule that the ground can't cause a fumble and I don't see how else there is to interpret that rule, other than a catch. He is down the nanosecond his elbow his the ground (assuming that's even the first part that touched, which it might not have been anyway), having met all the other criteria for a catch what happens after he is down is irrelevant.
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jon.jpgJon - 2846 Posts
09/10/2008 @ 12:57:54 PM
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This is an article you all want to read.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/FakeMail-I-m-sorry-but-the-Aaron-Rodgers-bandw?urn=nfl,106407
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
09/10/2008 @ 01:18:44 PM
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The ground can't cause a fumble but it can cause an incomplete pass.

I don't think I was ever in the Rodgers hating camp and I feel I've already made any required amends by drafting him on my fantasy team.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
09/10/2008 @ 01:20:41 PM
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Yes, stupid letter writer, T-Jack's performance was abysmal compared to Rodger's. They threw for the same number of yards and tds and neither had a turnover until one of them was in "throw it or lose anyway" mode. (Granted Rodgers had fewer attempts, but he also missed a wide open guy 20 feet away in the endzone, though the play wouldn't have counted in hindsight. T-Jack also would have had lots more yards if anyone could hang onto a ball, and more yards and another TD if Bernard Berrian wouldn't have tripped on nothing on a perfectly thrown slant.)

No doubt, Rodgers edged out Jackson performance-wise but to say his Rodger's performance was "Legend Forgetting" while T-Jack's was an "Abysmal" performance is a little unfair. (Jackson was on the road, mind you.)

The game really came down to a jump ball, a long run, and a punt return. Rodgers only had something to do with one of those, and even then it was a much better play by Jennings than anyone else.
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Jeremy screwed with this 3 times, last at 09/10/2008 1:26:06 pm
face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
09/10/2008 @ 01:23:44 PM
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Team effort. There is no "A-Rod" in Team.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
09/10/2008 @ 01:25:36 PM
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Alex Wrote - Today @ 01:18:44 PM
The ground can't cause a fumble but it can cause an incomplete pass.

I don't think I was ever in the Rodgers hating camp and I feel I've already made any required amends by drafting him on my fantasy team.


So if I catch it, run around for a while, get tackled and in the process of my elbow hitting the ball comes out that's an incomplete pass? Either you're down the nano second a blade of grass grazes your elbow or not.
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newalex.jpgAlex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated
09/10/2008 @ 05:29:32 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 01:25:36 PM
Alex Wrote - Today @ 01:18:44 PM
The ground can't cause a fumble but it can cause an incomplete pass.

I don't think I was ever in the Rodgers hating camp and I feel I've already made any required amends by drafting him on my fantasy team.


So if I catch it, run around for a while, get tackled and in the process of my elbow hitting the ball comes out that's an incomplete pass? Either you're down the nano second a blade of grass grazes your elbow or not.


That's what turns me off about football, the nit picky down to the frame-by-frame super slow-mo nano second blade of grass resolution with overly complicated rule definitions that aren't even publicly available. The refs affect the games, you can't change that, yet everyone in football keeps trying to pretend that you can.

And he didn't run around a while, he took a step and got lit up like the 4th of July and coughed up the rock. Wuss.
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jon.jpgJon - 2846 Posts
09/11/2008 @ 10:41:59 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 01:20:41 PM
Yes, stupid letter writer...


You know it was technically a fake letter right?
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!?
09/11/2008 @ 10:55:10 PM
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Well he still wrote it, did he not?
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