NFL 2007 Season Week 10 Picks

	RUFiO1984 - 219 Posts 11/06/2007 @ 09:54:37 AM
lets go AP Kick some arse		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Carlos44ec - ...and Bob's your Uncle! 11/06/2007 @ 10:59:30 AM
For this week I can see the teams who are around .500 beating the team who is 1-2 games ahead of them. Then I see the deficit in their scoring- for example, the Browns are 5-3 and have 227 points to 233 allowed... ouch		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/06/2007 @ 05:49:40 PM
Larry Ned - Classic. Actually AP also has a case of the "fumbles."		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 5 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 11/06/2007 @ 11:46:06 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/06/2007 @ 05:49:40 PM Larry Ned - Classic. Actually AP also has a case of the "fumbles." Why does Jeremy get 5 nuts? It was my joke.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 4 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/07/2007 @ 12:10:11 PM
Matt Wrote - 11/06/2007 @ 11:46:06 PM Jeremy Wrote - 11/06/2007 @ 05:49:40 PM Larry Ned - Classic. Actually AP also has a case of the "fumbles." Why does Jeremy get 5 nuts? It was my joke. While I generally don't look to highly upon nut complaints, this one is a legitimate gripe. I awarded it 5 nuts.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	RUFiO1984 - Go Lions!!! 11/07/2007 @ 07:46:46 PM
the new guy musch is dumb..		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 11/07/2007 @ 11:41:37 PM
It's good to have the Page 3 Turkey back.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/07/2007 @ 11:53:24 PM
Now all we needs is some pilgrim hats haphazardly slapped on our pictures and it will be just like old times.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jfk10intex - 229 Posts 11/08/2007 @ 07:29:04 AM
I have heard some people say things about Bret Favre in cold weather and let me tell u some stats...Invariably at his best in cold weather, a surprising attribute for one who hails from the south, Favre owns a perfect 27-0 record at home (22-0 regular season, 5-0 playoffs) when the game-time temperature is 34 degrees or below (23 games at Lambeau Field, 4 games at Milwaukee County Stadium). quote from -------------------------------------------------------http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2001/03/03-02.html......... this was as of 2000.... let me get u one up to date.... here it is "Given his Mississippi roots, Favre's record in frozen Green Bay is most surprising: 40 wins and five losses in games played below 35 degrees."---------------------http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/27135...... so now what did he say..... Scott Wrote - 11/04/2007 @ 07:13:13 PM What it comes down to is this, while the Packers have only played one team with a winning record so far, nothing they are doing seems to be doing anything to stop Favre. I hope they can continue this trend as the weather gets cold. im pretty sure the packers and favre will do juuuusssttt fine..... dont you think?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jfk10intex - 229 Posts 11/08/2007 @ 07:32:30 AM
viva la packers!!!!!!!!!!! and long live the favre legacy=]		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - My computer is better than yours!!!! 11/08/2007 @ 07:35:24 AM
Vikings @ Packers Jeremy: In the first game against the Packers Adrian Peterson ran for 100 yards in the first half and was all but benched. He was given a full compliment of carries for the first time last week and did alright. The Vikings better go to AP early and often. The Packers all-pass-no-run offense should, theoretically, suffer now that it's getting colder. In other words, expect all week in Wisconsin to be 30 degrees, until Sunday when it will be a perfect 75. this is why i had those stats cause jeremy was talking out if his a$$....... lol.... theoritcally hahjahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaha		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - Tater Salad? 11/08/2007 @ 08:08:15 AM
Don't worry fellas, I have this one: First, it would be "¡ viven los packers !" Second, "theoretically" Third and most importantly, Jeremy always talks from his arse- and not theoretically, really.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
Carlos44ec edited this at 11/08/2007 12:14:22 pm

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/08/2007 @ 08:08:44 AM
on second thought, I should address the Favre legacy. What precisely do you mean by legacy?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/08/2007 @ 08:53:25 AM
The Packers playing better than the other team overall in cold weather and a passing game taking a statistical hit in cold weather are almost completely independent of each other. You can throw for 0 yards and still win the game. BreTT Favre could be the greatest cold weather QB the world has even known, that doesn't mean he doesn't perform better when the weather is pleasant. (Plus they've lost lots of cold weather games, that stat just keeps sliding to 1 degree less than whatever they just lost at.) I don't think you'll find many people who will argue that the importance of a running game is increased when the weather gets cold.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 11/09/2007 @ 03:23:28 AM
Personally, I don't need many stats to know that Brett Favre is an excellent, dare I say, all-time great quarterback. So, really I don't care a ton, one way or the other, how a stat makes him look. But while we're here, I do have something to say about the weather thing. Wouldn't it be ridiculous if that stat showed anything other than Favre having a great record in cold weather? I mean, he's played on exactly one sub .500 team in his career. So he's got a great overall record anyway. He plays for Green Bay. So how many of those cold weather games do you think have come at home? Can I get a show of e-hands for the number of people who would expect someone with a career full of winning to have a bad, or even average, record in a farily large subset of games played mostly in his home stadium? I'm sure if you don't know any better you're probably ready to write a respnse to this favre bashing I've been doing. But just to ease your minds, this rant is actually about statistics that I think are underwhelming. Sports, and many other areas of life are full of them. This one just happened to be here.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jon messed with this 4 times, last at 11/09/2007 4:46:05 am

	noel - 12 Posts 11/09/2007 @ 07:29:30 AM
Brett Favre is the greatest quarterback in the cold weather. Tony Romo is going to be the next one in line that is one of the greatest quarterbacks in the league. I believe that the cowboys are going to win over the giants because of what Dallas defense is doing so far. They have improved on their defense. Packers will win it on Sunday at lambeau field because adrian peterson is not going to be able to run against the packers defense front line.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - My computer is better than yours!!!! 11/09/2007 @ 07:31:17 AM
] Carlos44ec Wrote - 11/08/2007 @ 08:08:15 AM Don't worry fellas, I have this one: First, it would be "¡ viven los packers !" Second, "theoretically" Third and most importantly, Jeremy always talks from his arse- and not theoretically, really. is there a reason you must correct me? do you think making fun of me by correcting my grammer is actually funny? Come on dude grow up you know exactly what i mean.... Carlos44ec Wrote - 11/08/2007 @ 08:08:44 AM on second thought, I should address the Favre legacy. What precisely do you mean by legacy? hmmmm let see here...he was a 3 time MVP winner....... leads records with TD Passes... and interceptions....interceptions arent really good thought i just knew i had to put it in there...and has thrown most of this 2007 season with over 300 passing yards...go to http://profiles.incredible-people.com/brett-favre/ to find out more.... Jeremy Wrote - 11/08/2007 @ 08:53:25 AM The Packers playing better than the other team overall in cold weather and a passing game taking a statistical hit in cold weather are almost completely independent of each other. You can throw for 0 yards and still win the game. BreTT Favre could be the greatest cold weather QB the world has even known, that doesn't mean he doesn't perform better when the weather is pleasant. (Plus they've lost lots of cold weather games, that stat just keeps sliding to 1 degree less than whatever they just lost at.) I don't think you'll find many people who will argue that the importance of a running game is increased when the weather gets cold. lol i beg to differ..... brett favre is THE BEST QB in the cold weather.... i think someone who would stand a chance would be....Tom Brady....the running game in the cold..... lol.... where is that logic? I mean the packers i dont think will change for the negative in the cold weather i think they will remain the same, or possibly get better... Jon Wrote - 11/09/2007 @ 03:23:28 AM So how many of those cold weather games do you think have come at home? Can I get a show of e-hands for the number of people who would expect someone with a career full of winning to have a bad, or even average, record in a farily large subset of games played mostly in his home stadium? his record was 27-0 AT HOME in 2000 when degrees were below 40...... so im preety sure i posted some where amount of games played at home.... in cold weather.... amount of wins....losses.... all that good stuff.....well im out u guys can go ahead and bash me some more i will defend my favre and packers for eternity!!!!!!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	RUFiO1984 - I put my socks on the wrong feet. 11/09/2007 @ 07:46:44 AM
you cant say anything to a packers fan, they only have a one track mind		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - "The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower." 11/09/2007 @ 07:52:09 AM
JFK- With my corrective posts I was really only picking on you a little bit. Just a bit. It was more of a comment on how you can't make a grammatical error here without Jon or Jeremy (some others, including myself, it seems) correcting it. I merely stated I would comment first. With the Legacy comment, that was just me being facetious, as there is a very strong dividing line between who is and who is not a Packer fan. If you post a comment as seemingly innocent as that, one (or both) sides of the line will come to discuss it. And for the record, I am a prick, and I know that- I just like to be an instigator. So no insults intended, and I apologize.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 11/09/2007 @ 08:50:16 AM
Jfk10intex Wrote - 11/09/2007 @ 07:31:17 AM Jeremy Wrote - 11/08/2007 @ 08:53:25 AM The Packers playing better than the other team overall in cold weather and a passing game taking a statistical hit in cold weather are almost completely independent of each other. You can throw for 0 yards and still win the game. BreTT Favre could be the greatest cold weather QB the world has even known, that doesn't mean he doesn't perform better when the weather is pleasant. (Plus they've lost lots of cold weather games, that stat just keeps sliding to 1 degree less than whatever they just lost at.) I don't think you'll find many people who will argue that the importance of a running game is increased when the weather gets cold. lol i beg to differ..... brett favre is THE BEST QB in the cold weather.... i think someone who would stand a chance would be....Tom Brady....the running game in the cold..... lol.... where is that logic? I mean the packers i dont think will change for the negative in the cold weather i think they will remain the same, or possibly get better... Jon Wrote - 11/09/2007 @ 03:23:28 AM So how many of those cold weather games do you think have come at home? Can I get a show of e-hands for the number of people who would expect someone with a career full of winning to have a bad, or even average, record in a farily large subset of games played mostly in his home stadium? his record was 27-0 AT HOME in 2000 when degrees were below 40...... so im preety sure i posted some where amount of games played at home.... in cold weather.... amount of wins....losses.... all that good stuff.....well im out u guys can go ahead and bash me some more i will defend my favre and packers for eternity!!!!!!!!! So do you even read the stuff you reply to, or do our comments just get auto run through the "Someone not necessarily even criticizing Farve, but also pointing out obvious statistical trends for reasons he might not be Jesus. I must attack now!" filter that seems to be in roughly 75% of all Packer fans and 98% of all fans under 18? All I said was that passing attacks take a hit in cold weather, I'm not sure how any sane person can argue with that. Let's say Brett Favre averages 250 yards a game and 2 td in warm weather and 210 and 1 td in cold weather. Let's say the next closest QB averages 180 yards and 1 td a game. Do you see now how your claim "Brett Favre is the best cold weather QB" and my claim that passing is harder to do in the cold are completely independent of each other? All Jon is saying is that the Packers have been above average to excellent in the Favre era, and you don't do that without winning a vast majority of your home games. Half the Packers home games have the potential to be pretty cold. Ergo is it really that shocking that they have won every home game under 40 degrees? I mean 38. I mean 37. I mean 35..err 32? I can never remember what the meaningless ever-sliding temperature is down to now-a-days.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy edited this at 11/09/2007 8:50:57 am

	Carlos44ec - "The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower." 11/09/2007 @ 11:02:14 AM
Anyone ever play (HS, college, intramural) football here? That ball is D-AMN hard when it is below 35. That man (ANY QB) throws hard and fast. Try catching a large rock lobbed 50 mph through the air with someone wanting to take your head off. These stats for Brett do indeed show some talent- but do not forget the receivers that helped him.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 11/09/2007 @ 01:10:04 PM
Jon Wrote - 11/09/2007 @ 03:23:28 AM I'm sure if you don't know any better you're probably ready to write a respnse to this favre bashing I've been doing. But just to ease your minds, this rant is actually about statistics that I think are underwhelming. Sports, and many other areas of life are full of them. This one just happened to be here. The one that always bugs me is when people throw out the stat "80% of accidents are within 15 miles of home" like it's some sort of "you can never let your guard down" type of thing. "Only 1% of accidents occur more than 50 miles away from home." Clearly we are just all better drivers while navigating areas we've never been and likely have no idea how to get around. It couldn't POSSIBLY be that your likelihood of an accident is relatively constant while 80% of your driving is within 15 miles of home and only 1% of your driving is 50+ miles away.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/09/2007 @ 02:05:08 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/09/2007 @ 01:10:04 PM Jon Wrote - 11/09/2007 @ 03:23:28 AM I'm sure if you don't know any better you're probably ready to write a respnse to this favre bashing I've been doing. But just to ease your minds, this rant is actually about statistics that I think are underwhelming. Sports, and many other areas of life are full of them. This one just happened to be here. The one that always bugs me is when people throw out the stat "80% of accidents are within 15 miles of home" like it's some sort of "you can never let your guard down" type of thing. "Only 1% of accidents occur more than 50 miles away from home." Clearly we are just all better drivers while navigating areas we've never been and likely have no idea how to get around. It couldn't POSSIBLY be that your likelihood of an accident is relatively constant while 80% of your driving is within 15 miles of home and only 1% of your driving is 50+ miles away. Jeremy, there you go using reason and logic again, like a fool.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - Tag This 11/09/2007 @ 03:47:40 PM
Do you know why 80% of accidents take place within 15 miles from home? Because the vast majority of people spend the vast majority of their driving time within that mileage, and in the same way, spend only a little bit of time 50+ miles away. This does not include accident stats for people who live in their car.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 11/09/2007 @ 03:53:03 PM
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	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/09/2007 @ 07:14:48 PM
Isn't that exactly what Jeremy just said?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 11/09/2007 @ 08:50:39 PM
that's jeremy's point		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/09/2007 @ 10:14:43 PM
My predictions about the Packers-Vikings game: 1) There will be no fewer than 4 calls that will completely change the nature of the game, and both Jeremy and myself will dispute the calls for approximately 3 days, both finding ways to argue that these calls screwed our respective teams. 2) Adrian Peterson will rush for around 150 yards. He will break 1 big run, but the Packers defense will pretty much contain him. By contain him I mean only allow him to have a good game, not a show-stopping game. 3) Brooks Bollinger will get booed at some point, despite the fact that he is one of the Badgers winningest quarterbacks ever. I'll still cheer for him though. 4) Brett Favre will not throw an interception. I'll predict 3 passing touchdowns, as the Packers have no running game, and the vikings have only allowed a few rushing touchdowns all year. 5) Packers 27, Vikings 13		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 09:18:48 AM
Sarah Wrote - 11/09/2007 @ 08:50:39 PM that's jeremy's point I should start reading his entire posts then. I usually stop halfway through		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 01:18:45 PM
hen how can you argue logically with him?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/10/2007 @ 01:22:09 PM
I'm surprised we haven't had even more smack talk this week. (and no, the usual Favre banter doesn't count) The Packers are awesome-o and will CRUSH the Vikings. BRING IT!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 01:38:02 PM
"Nov 10 Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Larry Johnson will be fined $7,500 by the NFL for planting a Chiefs flag in the Arrowhead Stadium turf following a touchdown he scored in Week 9." He should've gotten a penalty for this on the field too... ahem! However, I think the next drive worked out alright for us...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 01:52:10 PM
I don't know, it seemed innocent enough. It's not like he planned it out ahead of time. The flag waving guy just happened to be running in the end zone right past where Johnson was standing. But I suppose, if that become the regular celebration I probably would not like it so much.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 11/10/2007 @ 01:56:32 PM
It doesn't really matter if you like it or not, it was against the rules and should've drawn a penalty. You can argue that the rule is stupid and I'll readily agree, but he used a prop so there should've been a flag. How do you know that it wasn't planned out?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 11/10/2007 @ 02:00:32 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3103608 Here's another discussion point. Now cheap shot teams like Baltimore and New England are going to lose their entire defenses before the games are over.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - My computer is better than yours!!!! 11/10/2007 @ 06:33:48 PM
Sarah Wrote - 11/10/2007 @ 01:22:09 PM I'm surprised we haven't had even more smack talk this week. (and no, the usual Favre banter doesn't count) The Packers are awesome-o and will CRUSH the Vikings. BRING IT! by favre banter what exactly do u mean? Jeremy Wrote - 11/09/2007 @ 08:50:16 AM So do you even read the stuff you reply to, or do our comments just get auto run through the "Someone not necessarily even criticizing Farve, but also pointing out obvious statistical trends for reasons he might not be Jesus. I must attack now!" filter that seems to be in roughly 75% of all Packer fans and 98% of all fans under 18? All I said was that passing attacks take a hit in cold weather, I'm not sure how any sane person can argue with that. Let's say Brett Favre averages 250 yards a game and 2 td in warm weather and 210 and 1 td in cold weather. Let's say the next closest QB averages 180 yards and 1 td a game. Do you see now how your claim "Brett Favre is the best cold weather QB" and my claim that passing is harder to do in the cold are completely independent of each other? All Jon is saying is that the Packers have been above average to excellent in the Favre era, and you don't do that without winning a vast majority of your home games. Half the Packers home games have the potential to be pretty cold. Ergo is it really that shocking that they have won every home game under 40 degrees? I mean 38. I mean 37. I mean 35..err 32? I can never remember what the meaningless ever-sliding temperature is down to now-a-days. lol thats a good point it makes sense... i guess i do talk blindly sometimes....		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - 229 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 06:35:56 PM
Romo9rulz,RomOwens were told by us about this site and they decided to join us on the picking.... more competition for me hehehehehehehe.... i will rip out all of ur lungs and feed them to the dogs hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.... and btw Scott.... i hope ur right... i really do :)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - My computer is better than yours!!!! 11/10/2007 @ 06:38:32 PM
im still trying to convince my pops to make some picks 2.... cause all of us really enjoy talking about football and watching the game...lol OHIO STATE LOST LOLZ..... It sucks Wisconsin lost to illioins and Penn State or they could have had a chance at the Big Ten Championship...My Money is on Ohio State to pull it for the win against Michagen		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/10/2007 @ 07:17:29 PM
I'm just saying all the Viking fans tend to rip on Favre so then all the Packer fans have to defend him. This goes on every week and every year. This week was no exception.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 07:20:32 PM
The Ohio game was pretty cool. Another top ranked (THE top ranked) (THE Ohio state) bites the dust.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 08:22:36 PM
Personally, I would have preferred Ohio St. to have won. Now, no Big Ten team with contend for the National Title. Also, if Michigan beats Ohio St., the Big Ten has a potentially embarrasing situation on their hands. Because of the way the BCS works, each of the BCS conferences get an automatic bid for their Conference Champions. If Michigan wins, that means that a team that lost to a 1-AA will be in the BCS. Also, Michigan has three losses, so if they beat Ohio State that means a 3 loss team will be in the BCS. I don't know if this will or won't lead to anything, but my fear is that they change the rule so that being a conference champ doesn't mean an automatic bid. I don't necessarily think that each conference champ should get an automatic bid, but it could be a potentially embarrasing scenario for the Big Ten if a rule change like this is caused by the Big Ten. The Big Ten has seemingly been on a slow downword spiral in recent years, and this could be a big blow to the National reputation of Big Ten football.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - 229 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 08:40:07 PM
Sarah r u a packers fan? or u just go for them once in a while?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - 229 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 08:43:58 PM
btw sarah im very impressed with ur wins and losses with picking teams. looks like im going to have some compeition hehehe=)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 08:48:31 PM
Is Sarah a Packer fan? You are officially on her black list. And it doesn't matter that you are new to the site. Not automatically knowing that she's a Packers fan is reason enough.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jfk10intex - 229 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 08:50:59 PM
lol well shees i noticed she always picked the packers so i thought that maybe she was... and she is the only one with brains on the website cause she doesnt bash bret favre... so YEA SARAH do u have a cheesehead 2? if u do wear it when ur watchin the game!!!!!!! and scott r u a packers fan?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 09:22:41 PM
Yes, I am a Packers fan. I own a cheesehead, but it's currently at my parents home in Rhinelander, WI, and I live in Florida. I am excited because for just the 2nd time all season I will be able to watch the Packer game on my couch instead of having to go to a bar to watch it. And seriously, his name is Brett Favre, with 2 t's.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/10/2007 @ 09:29:55 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/10/2007 @ 08:48:31 PM Is Sarah a Packer fan? You are officially on her black list. And it doesn't matter that you are new to the site. Not automatically knowing that she's a Packers fan is reason enough. I think Scott is finally getting to know me.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 09:37:09 PM
NFL Films Game preview I like the line "Minnesota's first rate run defense won't be needed in Green Bay; the Packers rank dead last in rushing yards." How's that for sticking it to 'em. The Packers can come back with some lame trash talk that actually turns into more of an insult to themselves: "You guys have the best rushing defense? Well good for you because we can't run the ball anyway."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3375 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 10:52:05 PM
Sarah Wrote - 11/10/2007 @ 07:17:29 PM I'm just saying all the Viking fans tend to rip on Favre so then all the Packer fans have to defend him. This goes on every week and every year. This week was no exception. I can't belive we're like 6 years into the existence of this site and comments like this are still being made. Where exactly is all this ripping on Favre that needs to be defended? Hold on a sec. I'm going to make a statement. Adrian Peterson has never won the NFL MVP award and he has fumbled more times than I'd like. "Why would you rip on Adrian Peterson, Jon?!! Let me list reasons why he is a great player because you obviously have nothing but hatred for him and I take that personally..." OK, here's another statement. Michael Jordan missed a lot of shots in the later years of his career. "Jon why do you keep insulting Jordan? He was a very accomplished player! Stop bashing him and his game! You must just hate him because you love the Utah Jazz so much." Finally, another statement: BretT Favre's cold-weather stats are true, yet easily explainable if you think about it. Also, it doesn't necessarily mean his stats haven't suffered or won't suffer because of the cold. "WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY must you slander Breet Ferve and his family's good name! He's the best ever!!!! Why must you insist that he's an awful person! He does not kick puppies for fun, so take that back!" Begin unneccessary "defense" of Favre........................now!		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
Jon perfected this at 11/10/2007 10:55:30 pm

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 11/10/2007 @ 10:56:22 PM
Jon, seriously, the Favre hate-fest has got to stop. We're all getting sick of it. (you can't see it, but my tongue is actually poking all the way through my cheek as I type this)		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 10:57:32 PM
Someone do some research and find out if indeed Favre's personal statistical numbers do indeed falter as the whether gets colder.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/10/2007 @ 11:07:13 PM
So you're saying we never talk about Favre on this website?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/10/2007 @ 11:37:43 PM
Sarah Wrote - 11/10/2007 @ 11:07:13 PM So you're saying we never talk about Favre on this website? He's saying it's gotten to the point where comments like "The Packers might not be able to pass as well in the cold" and "Brett Farve lacks the ability to fly or travel through time" is viewed as "Favre bashing" and a personal attack on not only Brett Favre as a human being, but as a personal attack on every packer fan.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 12:11:01 AM
Scott Wrote - 11/10/2007 @ 10:57:32 PM Someone do some research and find out if indeed Favre's personal statistical numbers do indeed falter as the whether gets colder. I started to do this but 2005 and 2006 his numbers actually were down so I quit instead of facing the truth. I could only find splits by season which was annoying and I didn't really want to know that badly. I'm pretty sure Brett Favre can travel through time. How else do you explain this year?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 11/11/2007 @ 12:26:12 AM
Ok, I did some serious number crunching here. I took every Packer home game from 1995 to the present played in November, December, and January, (herein being refered to as the "late months"), Playoffs included. That's exactly 60 games. I'm looking specifically at Favre's stats here. Here's what I have come up with. From 1995 to 1998 the Packers went 20-0 at home in the late months. Favre completed 64% of passes, 50 TD, 18 INT, 4986 (250/game) Yards, QB Rating of 104.5. (9 games of 3 TDs or more) From 1999 to 2002 (including 1 2003 playoff game) (21 games total), the Packers went 14-7. Favre completed 58%, 30 TD, 25 INT, 4869 Yards (231/game), Rating of 78.1 (1 game with 3 TDs or more) From 2003 to 2006 (19 games), the packers went 11-8. Favre completed 60%, 21 TD, 29 INT, 4047 Yards (213/game), and QB rating of 70.1 (2 games of 3 TDs or more) In Favre's 249 game career, he has averaged 240.6 yards per game, completed 60.1% of his passes, and has a career QB rating of 85.3. Overall, The Packers are 45-15 in the late months since 1995, Favre has a QB rating of 83.4, and has thrown for an average of 231 yards per game. Clearly he was at his best from 1995 to 1998, and has been on a decline ever since. There is no doubt that his age, and the talent of the Packer team around him has affected how he has performed. Coming from a Favre-worshipper, it is tempting to try and schew the stats to show some way that he is still lights out at home in cold weather, but I can't. They still have more wins than losses at home in the late months throughout his career, but Favre's personal numbers have dropped over the course of his career. I mean come on, people do get old sometimes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 12:29:24 AM
Apparently I can't upload Excel files. Man, did I make a dandy of an Excel file to come up with those stats. I also had to enter the QB rating formula into Excel. Boy was that a pain. I suppose I could save my Excel file as a CSV text file and you could just download it and open it up for yourselves, but I doubt anyone would go through the effort, so I won't either. If you really want it, maybe i'll email it to you, or burn you a disk and mail it to you, or text you every stat that I put in there, game by game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 11/11/2007 @ 12:40:03 AM
Here's the site I used to get my data.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 12:47:03 AM
Scott Wrote - 11/10/2007 @ 08:22:36 PM Personally, I would have preferred Ohio St. to have won. Now, no Big Ten team with contend for the National Title. Also, if Michigan beats Ohio St., the Big Ten has a potentially embarrasing situation on their hands. Because of the way the BCS works, each of the BCS conferences get an automatic bid for their Conference Champions. If Michigan wins, that means that a team that lost to a 1-AA will be in the BCS. Also, Michigan has three losses, so if they beat Ohio State that means a 3 loss team will be in the BCS. I don't know if this will or won't lead to anything, but my fear is that they change the rule so that being a conference champ doesn't mean an automatic bid. I don't necessarily think that each conference champ should get an automatic bid, but it could be a potentially embarrasing scenario for the Big Ten if a rule change like this is caused by the Big Ten. The Big Ten has seemingly been on a slow downword spiral in recent years, and this could be a big blow to the National reputation of Big Ten football. The Big Ten has been down but just off the top of my head I think the Badgers have like 5 bowl game [win]s in a row or something like that. They've been one of the best teams as far as keeping the rep of the conference up. I just wish they would've done better this season. The defense was really kind of a let down considering that they were better last year and they returned 9 starters. A bowl game win would make it all ok though. I guess I was probably hoping OSU would win, but maybe an easier bowl game matchup and a win would end up being better than a championsip game and another loss. I still hope they beat Michigan next week though.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 12:54:40 AM
They lost the Outback Bowl to Georgia in Jan of 2005 (I was at that game). But other than that, I think you are right about them winning a whole bunch of bowl games. I think Alverez was 7-2 in bowl games 2nd best record ever for coaches with at least 7 bowl games.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 11/11/2007 @ 01:19:02 AM
Or I could just make it so you can upload .xls files. It never occurred to me anyone would want to do something so crazy.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 11/11/2007 @ 06:29:33 AM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 01:19:02 AM Or I could just make it so you can upload .xls files. It never occurred to me anyone would want to do something so crazy. You underestimate the nerdism factor dripping from this site.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 11/11/2007 @ 06:39:55 AM
Brett Favre Late Month Stats, the spreadsheet.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 06:58:30 AM
From Page 2. I think this is well said, and worth reading: Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 06:39:55 AM STAY CLASSY, MINNESOTA Two years ago, Minnesota Vikings owner Zygi Wilf had a 77-page Code of Conduct manual distributed to all of his players. The manifesto was in response to the now-infamous boat party scandal, in which an alleged 17 members of his team rented a yacht and a handful of prostitutes. Wilf was livid. He apologized on behalf of the franchise and said that, from this day forward, the Minnesota Vikings would be an organization of class, decency, respect and goodness. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Thursday afternoon it was reported that the Vikings -- franchise of class, decency, respect and goodness -- were docking wide receiver Troy Williamson his $25,588 check for missing last Sunday's victory over the San Diego Chargers. Why? Because Williamson had the audacity to defy his employer and return home to Aiken, S.C., to attend the funeral of his beloved maternal grandmother, Celestine. In the heartless world of professional football, where teams talk of being "one big family" yet willingly cut "family" members on a second's whim, this one takes the cake. Vikings coach Brad Childress said the move was based on a "business principle," noting how Vikings defensive tackle Pat Williams and Colts receiver Reggie Wayne had recently managed to play in games despite the death of close relatives. The translation of Childress' jarringly heartless take is clear: Troy, act like a man. Well, from this perspective true manhood -- true leadership -- is standing up and doing the right thing at the hardest time. It would have been easy for Williamson to stay in Minneapolis and adhere to the wishes of his bosses. Instead, he displayed remarkable perspective for a 24-year-old still trying to establish himself. Years from now, Troy Williamson would have long forgotten the Chargers game. But would he have ever forgiven himself for failing to bid farewell to the woman who helped raise him? --Jeff Pearlman		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Sarah - So's your face 11/11/2007 @ 08:14:26 AM
Yesterday they gave the money back. Not because Williamson complained, but because everyone in the media wrote articles much like that one. I agree with the article. There's far worse things you could do to miss a game. Playing professional football is still a job, and when someone close to you dies, I think that takes priority. Not only was he grieving, but he was the one making all the arrangements for his family (some who were in the military and overseas) to get to the funeral.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto - 209 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 10:47:27 AM
How long before we see Koy Detmer today? He went into Lambeau a few years back and lit the Packers up! Honestly, I hope Bollinger plays the whole game and throws a few passes here and there in between AP runs. Going to be tougfh against a good packers D, who I am sure will be keying on AP. No way a Brooks Bollinger led team can beat a Brett Favre led team in Lambeau, I predict Packers 20, Vikings 17. Hope I am wrong though!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 11/11/2007 @ 11:36:57 AM
Detmer was released already, no?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 11/11/2007 @ 11:55:23 AM
jthompto Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 10:47:27 AM No way a Brooks Bollinger led team can beat a Brett Favre led team in Lambeau, I predict Packers 20, Vikings 17. Hope I am wrong though! A Spergon Wynn led team came close in 2001, and Bollinger is a better QB than Wynn.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 11/11/2007 @ 11:59:02 AM
Did Spergon Wynn do it in Lambeau?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 11:59:44 AM
Yep, but the point is he didn't win, he just came close.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 12:05:56 PM
11/30 for 114 yards 3 ints, with a rating of 20.0 and still almost beat us. We stopped AP on the first drive, hurray!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 12:14:14 PM
clearly AP was overrated. by me.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 11/11/2007 @ 12:18:29 PM
worst rushing offense vs the best rushing defense. Round 1 goes to the Packers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 12:19:05 PM
Grant's 1st TD!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 12:52:28 PM
could the Packers receivers please catch one of these passes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 11/11/2007 @ 12:53:18 PM
It would help immensely.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 11/11/2007 @ 01:17:57 PM
We should have more. This could come back to haunt us.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 01:26:01 PM
I hope the Packers defense is reading this right now. Adrian Peterson has a mere 45 yards at half time. Last week, he had 49 yards at half time. Don't let up, defense.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 01:42:32 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 12:52:28 PM could the Packers receivers please catch one of these passes. That Jennings catch wasn't too shabby.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 01:43:35 PM
This is a great game to watch... unless you're Jeremy. I've already identified 2 or 3 things that should fuel his "arument armament" for the week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 01:44:28 PM
I've already heard them...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 11/11/2007 @ 01:51:44 PM
let me guess, 1 is the Robinson catch on the first drive of the game where he scooted forward for a first down after not being touched. The other is probably the pass interefence call where the Vikings DB skidded to a halt cutting off the WR route and the WR ran into him. Clearly a conspiracy is in the works.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 11/11/2007 @ 01:55:12 PM
I'll admit, Favre slid a bit late, but a blow to the head is always going to be called, no matter how innocent it might look.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 11/11/2007 @ 02:00:58 PM
The Robinson catch he was just mad about, yea the pass interference, but i'll have him tell you. Have you guys checked out the scores of the other games? There have been 2 safeties, and the underdogs are winning/crushing their opponents. Crazy day in football.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:02:26 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 01:55:12 PM I'll admit, Favre slid a bit late, but a blow to the head is always going to be called, no matter how innocent it might look. BFR		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 11/11/2007 @ 02:03:37 PM
You can't just stop in mid route and expect not to get called. Here's how much of a blowout this game is. It's the 2nd time all year I've gotten to watch the Packers in my own home, and after that last TD Fox switched the game on me.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 11/11/2007 @ 02:05:39 PM
Matt Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:02:26 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 01:55:12 PM I'll admit, Favre slid a bit late, but a blow to the head is always going to be called, no matter how innocent it might look. BFR Waaaa. Blow to head = flag. I don't care if you are Brett Favre or Rob Johnson.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:05:58 PM
That sux, but not as much as Peterson getting hurt. It doesn't look good. He was crying.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:06:14 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:03:37 PM You can't just stop in mid route and expect not to get called. Here's how much of a blowout this game is. It's the 2nd time all year I've gotten to watch the Packers in my own home, and after that last TD Fox switched the game on me. If the ball is 15 yards down field and 5 yards out of bounds you can.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:07:26 PM
The only way the Vikings could suck more, is if they somehow found a way to employ Nick Punto.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:09:02 PM
I think he could help, he plays some mean defense.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:09:16 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:06:14 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:03:37 PM You can't just stop in mid route and expect not to get called. Here's how much of a blowout this game is. It's the 2nd time all year I've gotten to watch the Packers in my own home, and after that last TD Fox switched the game on me. If the ball is 15 yards down field and 5 yards out of bounds you can. The only reason the ball was 15 yards down field was because the DB cut off his route.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:10:41 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:09:16 PM Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:06:14 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:03:37 PM You can't just stop in mid route and expect not to get called. Here's how much of a blowout this game is. It's the 2nd time all year I've gotten to watch the Packers in my own home, and after that last TD Fox switched the game on me. If the ball is 15 yards down field and 5 yards out of bounds you can. The only reason the ball was 15 yards down field was because the DB cut off his route. And the out of bounds would have been made up by........Go go Gadget arms?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:11:58 PM
If the Vikings at some point in the Childress regime ever throw to or past the yardage they need for a 1st down I'll throw a party for everyone.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:14:27 PM
Was the ball out of bounds? And if so, was it out by that far that he wouldn't have caught it? I'm pretty sure Brett Favre can use his mind to curve the ball back anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 11/11/2007 @ 02:15:04 PM
I hope Peterson's all right. And I really mean that. I hope it's nothing serious.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 11/11/2007 @ 02:15:32 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:05:39 PM Matt Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:02:26 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 01:55:12 PM I'll admit, Favre slid a bit late, but a blow to the head is always going to be called, no matter how innocent it might look. BFR Waaaa. Blow to head = flag. I don't care if you are Brett Favre or Rob Johnson. That's like if I jumped out in front of a car and then complained that I got hit. Sure, drivers have to be aware not to hit anybody, but sometimes its the pedestrian's fault and there was nothing the driver could do.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/11/2007 @ 02:17:52 PM
That guy who hit Favre in the back of the head didn't have to do it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:18:57 PM
Whats up with the little trophies or nuts or whatever on some peoples pickem user names?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:18:57 PM
Favre should have used his time traveling ability to not get hit.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:19:21 PM
It's trophies and turds for first and last place.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 11/11/2007 @ 02:20:23 PM
Matt Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:15:32 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:05:39 PM Matt Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:02:26 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 01:55:12 PM I'll admit, Favre slid a bit late, but a blow to the head is always going to be called, no matter how innocent it might look. BFR Waaaa. Blow to head = flag. I don't care if you are Brett Favre or Rob Johnson. That's like if I jumped out in front of a car and then complained that I got hit. Sure, drivers have to be aware not to hit anybody, but sometimes its the pedestrian's fault and there was nothing the driver could do. But...the call wasn't for the late hit. It was the hit to the helmet. Although to be fair, the guy who was called for the penalty was the 2nd guy to actually hit Favre.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:22:20 PM
Has there ever been a tipped ball that doesn't go right to a Packer player?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:22:48 PM
PackOne Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:18:57 PM Whats up with the little trophies or nuts or whatever on some peoples pickem user names? Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:19:21 PM It's trophies and turds for first and last place. What are you talking about. I don't see any of what you are talking about.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/11/2007 @ 02:23:32 PM
Refresh your browser to show the scores.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 11/11/2007 @ 02:25:42 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:20:23 PM Matt Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:15:32 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:05:39 PM Matt Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:02:26 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 01:55:12 PM I'll admit, Favre slid a bit late, but a blow to the head is always going to be called, no matter how innocent it might look. BFR Waaaa. Blow to head = flag. I don't care if you are Brett Favre or Rob Johnson. That's like if I jumped out in front of a car and then complained that I got hit. Sure, drivers have to be aware not to hit anybody, but sometimes its the pedestrian's fault and there was nothing the driver could do. But...the call wasn't for the late hit. It was the hit to the helmet. Although to be fair, the guy who was called for the penalty was the 2nd guy to actually hit Favre. But it was Favre's late slide that caused whatever head contact that happened. That's why I don't think contact to the head should be called unless the player being hit standing upright. Otherwise the defender aims for the midsection, the QB ducks or slides and then the defender gets called for it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Matt perfected this at 11/11/2007 2:26:06 pm

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:26:11 PM
So, I know potentially A. Rod could lose the game for us, but do we want to keep Favre in there? Especially since he was knocked around on 2 consecutive plays?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 11/11/2007 @ 02:28:05 PM
I hear that playing A-Rod is the #1 cause of global warming.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:29:45 PM
Matt Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:25:42 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:20:23 PM Matt Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:15:32 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:05:39 PM Matt Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:02:26 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 01:55:12 PM I'll admit, Favre slid a bit late, but a blow to the head is always going to be called, no matter how innocent it might look. BFR Waaaa. Blow to head = flag. I don't care if you are Brett Favre or Rob Johnson. That's like if I jumped out in front of a car and then complained that I got hit. Sure, drivers have to be aware not to hit anybody, but sometimes its the pedestrian's fault and there was nothing the driver could do. But...the call wasn't for the late hit. It was the hit to the helmet. Although to be fair, the guy who was called for the penalty was the 2nd guy to actually hit Favre. But it was Favre's late slide that caused whatever head contact that happened. That's why I don't think contact to the head should be called unless the player being hit standing upright. Otherwise the defender aims for the midsection, the QB ducks or slides and then the defender gets called for it. Probably true. Which would be a good reason to possibly review the rule in the offseason. I don't really have anything more to say about this. I just wanted to continue the cool quote thing. It looks neat with this many quotations.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 11/11/2007 @ 02:30:29 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:22:20 PM Has there ever been a tipped ball that doesn't go right to a Packer player?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:31:29 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:19:21 PM It's trophies and turds for first and last place. Sweet.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 11/11/2007 @ 02:31:35 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:30:29 PM Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:22:20 PM Has there ever been a tipped ball that doesn't go right to a Packer player? Ha		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 11/11/2007 @ 02:32:47 PM
Take that Sharper!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 11/11/2007 @ 02:34:27 PM
Of course there's a holding penalty on the return, the Packers have run 343497598 plays without one, so it's about time the Vikings get called for one.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:38:53 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:11:58 PM If the Vikings at some point in the Childress regime ever throw to or past the yardage they need for a 1st down I'll throw a party for everyone.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:40:07 PM
AROD !!! AROD!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 11/11/2007 @ 02:41:31 PM
What is with Brett and pinching people? I know "they" say he's "young at heart", but I don't think they mean "first grader" when they say that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:41:45 PM
I think he just tripped our RB. By he I mean A-Rod.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Sarah screwed with this at 11/11/2007 2:42:24 pm

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:42:37 PM
He looks like a pro bowler to me already.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 11/11/2007 @ 02:42:39 PM
Also for the record I noticed the pinch in real time and commented on it before they replayed it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:43:57 PM
I have a big fear about the outcome of the game. JFK is going to unleash an arsenal of "I told you so's" about Brett Favre and the Packers playing well in the cold. I fear the worst.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 11/11/2007 @ 02:45:27 PM
It's not cold. That was the whole point of my "personal attack on Favre" is that passing is harder to do in the cold, but it wont be despite being under 40 all week. It's 54 in GB right now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy edited this at 11/11/2007 2:46:49 pm

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 11/11/2007 @ 02:46:46 PM
oh really, I didn't realize that. I thought they were forecasting snow for the game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:46:51 PM
I was going to say, it as pretty warm today. I hope "Jinx" is ok. And don't you mean "Bret Favre?"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:47:45 PM
Preserve the shutout!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 11/11/2007 @ 02:49:25 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:45:27 PM It's not cold. That was the whole point of my "personal attack on Favre" is that passing is harder to do in the cold, but it wont be despite being under 40 all week. It's 54 in GB right now. I noticed this originally said "It's 54". Then I checked weather.com, thinking that you were simply referring to the Temp in Eau Claire. Then looking again, I think you realized the possibility for confusion and you changed it. Good heads up comment editing. Although about 10 seconds too late.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Scott edited this at 11/11/2007 2:49:52 pm

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 11/11/2007 @ 02:50:14 PM
Kick a FG!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - My computer is better than yours!!!! 11/11/2007 @ 02:50:28 PM
lol.. no offense... but u guys write ALOT of comments... i got tired of reading them all... lol... PACKERS WON HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA TAKE THAT ALL U PACKER HATERZ!!!!!!!!!! NEXT ONE TO FALL THE COWGIRLS YEEEHAWWW!!!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:50:52 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:38:53 PM Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:11:58 PM If the Vikings at some point in the Childress regime ever throw to or past the yardage they need for a 1st down I'll throw a party for everyone.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - My computer is better than yours!!!! 11/11/2007 @ 02:51:07 PM
stinks cause im not getting the packer game any more cause they wanted to show a more "competitive game" :(		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:52:48 PM
WOO HOO		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 11/11/2007 @ 02:53:22 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:49:25 PM Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:45:27 PM It's not cold. That was the whole point of my "personal attack on Favre" is that passing is harder to do in the cold, but it wont be despite being under 40 all week. It's 54 in GB right now. I noticed this originally said "It's 54". Then I checked weather.com, thinking that you were simply referring to the Temp in Eau Claire. Then looking again, I think you realized the possibility for confusion and you changed it. Good heads up comment editing. Although about 10 seconds too late. I clarified that while I was adding something else. Besides it's not like it's going to be 54 in Eau Claire and 29 in Green Bay.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 02:57:08 PM
22 people made picks this week, as of right now 12 of us are either in first or last.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 11/11/2007 @ 02:59:08 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:53:22 PM Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:49:25 PM Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 02:45:27 PM It's not cold. That was the whole point of my "personal attack on Favre" is that passing is harder to do in the cold, but it wont be despite being under 40 all week. It's 54 in GB right now. I noticed this originally said "It's 54". Then I checked weather.com, thinking that you were simply referring to the Temp in Eau Claire. Then looking again, I think you realized the possibility for confusion and you changed it. Good heads up comment editing. Although about 10 seconds too late. I clarified that while I was adding something else. Besides it's not like it's going to be 54 in Eau Claire and 29 in Green Bay. I've been out of Wisconsin for so long. I've forgotten everything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:04:40 PM
I'll be in Florida in less than a month. Hurrah!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:05:38 PM
Poor Dolphins. Worse yet though, I feel sorry for the poor sap who gets picked first by them.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - My computer is better than yours!!!! 11/11/2007 @ 03:06:16 PM
wow I have lost alot of games today....not a good pick day for me		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - My computer is better than yours!!!! 11/11/2007 @ 03:07:10 PM
ALOT OF GAMES =(		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:07:43 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 03:05:38 PM Poor Dolphins. Worse yet though, I feel sorry for the poor sap who gets picked first by them. They took a kick/punt returner at like #9 or something this year. Maybe they'll take a punter #1 over all next year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:12:10 PM
a lot		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 11/11/2007 @ 03:12:20 PM
Like everyone is doing awful this week, except for Packone who is 7-1 and his 1 is the "hottest team" in the NFC losing to a winless team.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/11/2007 @ 03:12:43 PM
Go GIANTS! Today was a crazy day in picks, no one is doing well except Pack One.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 11/11/2007 @ 03:13:36 PM
I can't wait for this Viking Packer game FOX keeps advertising for next week. Maybe the Vikes can get some revenge.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:14:05 PM
Our fox channel is advertising a Packer/Viking game for next week, I can't wait! I was worried we'd get either the Bears game or the Lions game, but we're getting the Cowboys/Giants game. I'm actually happy about that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/11/2007 @ 03:15:12 PM
Maybe Jeremy and I should be in the same room so we don't duplicate blog comments...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:15:49 PM
Maybe you should go to Florida now.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:16:44 PM
Ouch		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:17:17 PM
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	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 11/11/2007 @ 03:17:59 PM
even though it was close, I can't believe I actually picked the Dolphins.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:18:19 PM
Scott, where is "You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue." from, if anywhere?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 11/11/2007 @ 03:18:40 PM
How 'bout that Packer game? Freakin' awesome.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:20:52 PM
Damn Cowboys		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 11/11/2007 @ 03:24:15 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 03:18:19 PM Scott, where is "You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue." from, if anywhere? It's a common answer I have to give the clients I talk to at work (via the phone). Unless it's something simple, we only provide support for our software system. If it's something with their hardware that isn't related to our software, we should not (and usually cannot) help them with it. I could write a book about all the unusual, and pretty stupid things I get asked when people call in for tech support. An contrary to popular belief (if that's what you believe) I actually like the stupid questions, because it almost always provides a good laugh to my co-workers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Scott screwed with this at 11/11/2007 3:24:36 pm

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:29:05 PM
Did you see Tony Romo duck for apparently no reason right before he flipped that ball into the endzone. That was crazy. I don't know who to root for in this game. On one hand, I think I want the Giants to beat the Cowboys because then the Packers would be in first place in the NFC. On the other hand, I might prefer to keep the Giants out of the picture as far home-field advantage and/or first round bye is concerned in the playoffs. All of this, of course, is assuming that the Packers actually are for real. One Packer writer (probably the most legitimate of any Packers beat writer, he's no homer is what I'm getting at) Bob McGinn, says that he would not be surprised to see the Packers finish the season 14-2 or even 15-1.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:31:18 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 03:24:15 PM Jeremy Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 03:18:19 PM Scott, where is "You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue." from, if anywhere? It's a common answer I have to give the clients I talk to at work (via the phone). Unless it's something simple, we only provide support for our software system. If it's something with their hardware that isn't related to our software, we should not (and usually cannot) help them with it. I could write a book about all the unusual, and pretty stupid things I get asked when people call in for tech support. An contrary to popular belief (if that's what you believe) I actually like the stupid questions, because it almost always provides a good laugh to my co-workers. You should save some of them up for an article or something. Tech support stories are some of the better things on the internet.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:31:59 PM
The two Thursday games are going to be hard.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:39:59 PM
Yeah, the Lions play a good game on Thanksgiving even when they sucked.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 11/11/2007 @ 03:46:44 PM
I guess the league was trying to talk the Packers into playing on Sunday night next week as part of the flexible scheduling. The Packers refused because of the fact that they play the Thursday night game, it would give them even less time to prepare for the game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 11/11/2007 @ 03:49:15 PM
34-0. Now that's domination.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:49:53 PM
That'd be ridiculous. They have such little time to prepare for the Detroit game in the first place. I'm glad they had the option to turn it down.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 03:58:12 PM
Alex Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 03:49:15 PM 34-0. Now that's domination. Way to join the conversation :)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 04:00:16 PM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 03:58:12 PM Alex Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 03:49:15 PM 34-0. Now that's domination. Way to join the conversation :) I was just about to make a comment along those lines.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto - 209 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 04:27:19 PM
Brett Favre is good. Or do the Vikings suck that much. That had to be the most pathetic performance I have ever seen from a football team. Green Bay just totally dominated in every part of the game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - She's just a woman. Never again. 11/11/2007 @ 06:29:53 PM
Rules pickem and fantasy this week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
PackOne screwed with this 2 times, last at 11/11/2007 6:30:44 pm

	Sarah - So's your face 11/11/2007 @ 07:22:20 PM
You need 50 points to beat Micah in fantasy. Rivers sucked it up last week and the Colts will probably score at will against the Chargers' D.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 07:56:37 PM
I'm not watching the Colts/Chargers game, but the Colts are taking a beating. The Chargers D have 38.70 fantasy points right now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 11/11/2007 @ 08:07:19 PM
2 kick returns		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 08:08:41 PM
What the hell is wrong with Peyton?! I have him playing in both of my teams- I passed up Anderson and Favre for him! shit....		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/11/2007 @ 08:14:33 PM
Yea good job on that, -4.95 vs. 21.58 for your QB position.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - 229 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 08:31:59 PM
lol.... yea... today was a crazy day... this is the poorest week of my life as far as picking....man... pack one.... i envy u...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/11/2007 @ 09:33:20 PM
I was actually counting on the Vikings to remember to pack their Defense for this trip.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - My computer is better than yours!!!! 11/11/2007 @ 10:07:25 PM
GO PEYTON BEAT THOSE DAMN CHARGERS!!!!!!!!!!! man peyton is really rallying them back for a win		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - 229 Posts 11/12/2007 @ 07:23:33 AM
damit peyton.... i cant belive they didnt win!!!!!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - ...and Bob's your Uncle! 11/12/2007 @ 08:11:58 AM
You know, JFK, for a minute there I almost believed they could do it... and am half glad they didn't (I like them both, but a Colts loss elevates the Packers, if only in power rankings)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Carlos44ec edited this at 11/12/2007 1:18:15 pm

	Carlos44ec - "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style." 11/12/2007 @ 08:13:47 AM
Sarah Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 07:22:20 PM You need 50 points to beat Micah in fantasy. Rivers sucked it up last week and the Colts will probably score at will against the Chargers' D. The game could have gone so much differently...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 11/12/2007 @ 10:30:01 AM
Sarah Wrote - 11/11/2007 @ 07:22:20 PM You need 50 points to beat Micah in fantasy. Rivers sucked it up last week and the Colts will probably score at will against the Chargers' D. I don't even know what given name goes with what team name, with the exception of Jeremy.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/12/2007 @ 10:45:23 AM
Sarah: 1. Bench A-Rod 4-Ever 1432.53 165.38 11 9 Micah: 2. Dinoscores 1266.28 124.15 3 23 Joe (jthompto): 3. Pitbulls 1214.41 131.25 9 27 You: 4. PackOne 1195.27 117.58 10 31 My cousin kyle*: 5. Pigskin Fever 1132.20 110.48 5 5 Me: 6. Vitals @ Nutcan.com 1104.37 99.55 7 10 Alex: 7. Tin whiskers 1056.86 137.73 6 23 Jon: 8. Weiner! 1039.72 101.25 2 21 Matt: 9. ACCarters 1037.04 90.23 13 28 Carl (Carlos44ec): 10. 1st and Out 1021.71 79.03 12 22 Scott: 11. Tampa Loves the Pack 987.49 114.25 4 11 Sarah's Cousin Tyler* (though he's using his bro's account) 12. Chip N Dale 944.81 108.50 1 5 My cousin Tony*: 13. anotheryear44 *Not really nutcanners, though Tony has an account and may have commented once or twice.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy messed with this 2 times, last at 11/12/2007 10:47:45 am

	RUFiO1984 - 219 Posts 11/12/2007 @ 11:22:25 AM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/12/2007 @ 10:45:23 AM Sarah: 1. Bench A-Rod 4-Ever 1432.53 165.38 11 9 Micah: 2. Dinoscores 1266.28 124.15 3 23 Joe (jthompto): 3. Pitbulls 1214.41 131.25 9 27 You: 4. PackOne 1195.27 117.58 10 31 My cousin kyle*: 5. Pigskin Fever 1132.20 110.48 5 5 Me: 6. Vitals @ Nutcan.com 1104.37 99.55 7 10 Alex: 7. Tin whiskers 1056.86 137.73 6 23 Jon: 8. Weiner! 1039.72 101.25 2 21 Matt: 9. ACCarters 1037.04 90.23 13 28 Carl (Carlos44ec): 10. 1st and Out 1021.71 79.03 12 22 Scott: 11. Tampa Loves the Pack 987.49 114.25 4 11 Sarah's Cousin Tyler* (though he's using his bro's account) 12. Chip N Dale 944.81 108.50 1 5 My cousin Tony*: 13. anotheryear44 *Not really nutcanners, though Tony has an account and may have commented once or twice. i missed this		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - At the Dollhouse in Ft. Lauderdale. 11/12/2007 @ 12:07:23 PM
Tin Whiskers = Alex? What a shocker.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - You had me at "Hello" 11/12/2007 @ 01:19:36 PM
I don't get it...?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - No matter how many MC's I eat up ... oh, it's never enough. 11/12/2007 @ 03:55:03 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - 11/12/2007 @ 01:19:36 PM I don't get it...? I was under the impression Alex was supreme authority on all things fantasy football. I could be wrong.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/12/2007 @ 09:08:42 PM
PackOne Wrote - 11/12/2007 @ 03:55:03 PM Carlos44ec Wrote - 11/12/2007 @ 01:19:36 PM I don't get it...? I was under the impression Alex was supreme authority on all things fantasy football. I could be wrong. That would be me		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jfk10intex - My computer is better than yours!!!! 11/13/2007 @ 07:21:35 AM
lol... wow... im in last place this week... i switched my pick to the 49ers.... man i have to get off that dope.... what was i thinking		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.