NFL 2005 Season Super Bowl Picks

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 02/03/2006 @ 03:14:48 PM
Interesting that we all allude the game can go either way, yet it was a sweep for the Steelers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/03/2006 @ 03:59:23 PM
I think I'm going to go with Seattle. Not that I like them anymore than the Steelers, but for the "Wisconsin Factor". Well, that's not the only reason. But, they do have more guys that have contacts with Wisconsin. And, if the Seahawks win, Mike Holmgren will become the FIRST COACH EVER to win 2 super bowls with 2 different teams. That should get him a Hall vote or too when his time comes. Although it would be nice also to see the most likable guy in the entire NFL, maybe even all of pro sports (Bettis) get a ring. I'll still say Seattle though. What's weird about Jeremy's comment is that I think the general consensus between everyone is that it could go both ways, and yet, the espn poll has people picking Pittsburgh like 70% to 30%. Apparently they just have the edge or something.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 02/03/2006 @ 04:02:04 PM
Oh, one more thing. Packers' GM Ted Thompson played a key role in putting together this current Seahawks team while he was assistant GM in Seattle. Just kinda for kicks.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 02/03/2006 @ 08:32:47 PM
If any one wants to be extra generous, my birthday is in June.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 02/04/2006 @ 10:17:45 AM
I'll go with Seattle too. Remember when Pittsburgh had to win like 4 games in a row and have a couple other teams lose to make the playoffs? Plus, I think Thigpen will probably drop another touchdown.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/04/2006 @ 12:43:00 PM
Reggie White will make the hall of fame today. So it begs the question. Is he the best defensive player ever? Phil Simms said he was the best player, offense or defense, that he ever played against. ESPN Page2's Jason Whitlock said he struck more fear into an offense than ever Lawerence Taylor. Bruce Smith had 200 sacks in 19 years in the NFL. Reggie White had 198 in 15 NFL seasons, plus he had 23.5 in 2 years when he played in the United States Football League, for a 17 year total of 221.5, 21.5 more than Smith hadin 17 years. Interesting debate, but considering this is a Packers/Vikings board, the sides will probably be clearly drawn.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/04/2006 @ 01:28:01 PM
John Madden and Troy Aikman too, along with others. Madding has the highest winning percentage of all time, with one Super Bowl victory. Interesting.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 02/04/2006 @ 07:23:06 PM
How does everyone else feel about Favre wanting to be traded? I've been out of the loop. I'm so confused.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/04/2006 @ 11:24:53 PM
I really don't think Favre wants to be traded. It would make no sense. His reasons for leaving are related to the fact that his oldest daughter is going to be a senior in high school, and that he is missing out on his kids' lives, along with whether or not he really wants to continue to play anymore. I still think he would say that as far as receivers go, he has never had more talent around him. Walker and Driver I think are a better combination than anything he has had before. in 2004 they were statistically the best receiving duo in the leauge, or one of the best. At this stage in his career, I would have my doubts that a player like Favre would want to go into a new system with guys he doesn't know. It's not just because I don't want it to happen. It just doesn't seem to be the logical thing that would happen. I'm sure a lot of teams would want him, but what teams would he want? It simply wouldn't make any sense to me. Whether he comes back or retires is one thing, but I have extreme doubt on his desire to actually be traded. PS. if you ask Michael Irving this question, not only is Brett Favre washed up, but he isn't even a competitor anymore. Oh, and I know that Aikman is in the Hall of Fame now, and I know he has 3 super bowl rings, and I know that he was a pretty good QB, but I don't think he belongs in the same sentence with John Elway or Dan Marino. Maybe Steve Young, but I'll give the edge to Steve Young. I'm leaving Favre out of this argument until he retires.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 02/05/2006 @ 08:48:56 AM
And I guarantee you all that if there is a possibility of him getting traded, he absolutely will not go to the Saints. Under no circumstances would he let that happen. People from his neck of the woods in Mississippi hate New Orleans like the plague; every second of media attention would have you think that New Orleans was the only place that hit by Katrina, when in their words, "our town is destroyed, New Orleans just got wet." Just a random thought.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 02/05/2006 @ 10:26:45 PM
Here's a stupid question, but my roommate was giving me a headache about this. Who had a better debut as a qb in a super bowl, Tom Brady or Ben Roethlesberger?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 02/06/2006 @ 09:21:50 AM
I can't recall how Brady did or one play from last night. So you got me.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/06/2006 @ 05:52:46 PM
It's weird considering the number of people throughout the sports world who picked the steelers to win the Super Bowl on not holding on to "partison politics" (if you will). A sportsnation poll on espn asks several questions about a few of the key calls in the game, and between 60 and 70 percent of voters said that the refs got these particular calls wrong (the pass interference call, the holding on the seahawks, the ben r touchdown, etc.) Interesting.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 02/07/2006 @ 09:17:36 AM
I find it funny that one team can't get screwed and it just be happenstance. Flip a coin enough times and it's going to come up tails 4 times in a row. There aren't a million calls in question, there are around 4. Plays get called back on phantom holding all the time, Ben did score (and if he didn't the ball would've been on the 1 nanometer line, the pushoff (just because the defender never moved doesnt mean it wasnt a push) was pretty obvious; he pushed until his arms were completely extended. I can't remember the forth call Seattle got unlucky on, but I don't think the game was fixed either. Although the ref that took away the first Seattle TD was a Pittsburgh native.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/07/2006 @ 12:37:22 PM
I think it's just too bad that in the biggest game of the year there would be so many questionable calls that would decide the game. I'm sure Joey Porter thinks that every call was correct and that he is still justified in saying that the whole world loves Peyton Manning and that the NFL wanted him in the Super Bowl at any cost. I would love for Hasselback to come out and say "Everyone wants Bettis to win his last game, but don't take it from us like that." I don't think the pushoff needed to be called, because both guys were battling for position, the holding call was probably a worse call than overturning interception agains the steelers in the Colts game, and then the penalty on Hasselback for a "low block?" for tackling the man with the ball. I will say that the Ben's touchdown could easily have gone either way, so I'll leave that one alone. I just think this was a sad game when the reffing was questionable at best in the biggest game of the year. Not fixed, just sad, and I think it will always be seen as a somewhat tainted way to win a Super Bowl. The Seahawks did not play well enough to win. But the Steelers didn't play that well either. Either way it was a pretty crappy game, and the questionable reffing just added on to an already uninteresting game. And that's the Word.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1000000 posts (and counting!) 02/08/2006 @ 03:59:32 PM
I thought the game was quite interesting. I also thought that the pushoff was pretty much the textbook definition of offensive pass interference. And everyone makes the comment that all of the calls went against the Seahawks, but Jerramy Stevens should have been called for a fumble but wasn't.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 02/08/2006 @ 04:21:12 PM
Not to mention Stevens played an all around horrible game. About the only pass he hung onto was the routine TD.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/09/2006 @ 09:18:13 AM
i don't think the pass interference was that bad. I have seen much worse not get called. And considering how much leeway the refs have allowed receivers this season, it is not consistant with how they have been calling it, in my opinion. You could almost argue that the defender was already moving away from the receiver and that the hand-extension actually had no impact on his momentum: the receiver had stopped and started moving the other way and the defender was still moving the opposite way. If Holmgren gets fined for his comments after the game, the league should retro-fine Joey Porter and maybe suspend him for a game. Holmgren says the reffing was bad, Porter says the league wanted the Steelers to lose. Oh yeah, Holmgren's comments were worse.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/09/2006 @ 10:57:17 AM
But my original point was that the reffing was just overall bad, even worse than usually anticipated. I mean, in a typical game you might expect to see one call that was so blatantly bad, but not 2 or 3. And the fumble by stevens that was called an incomplete pass, that is still a bad call regardless of who it was against. My point was that it really was too bad that the reffing was so inadequate for such a big game. I equate it to Jeremy's HD going out. You expect HD to work for the Super Bowl, the one time when people actually want it to work, and you expect the refs to be on top of their game for the one game that everyone in america and the rest of the world is actually watching(when I say world, I mean Toronto, because it was right across the street from Detroit.)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.