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Falcons 27 @ Lions 7
Thu, 11/24/05 12:30pm
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Broncos 24 @ Cowboys 21
Thu, 11/24/05 3:15pm
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49ers 22 @ Titans 33
Sun, 11/27/05 12:00pm
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Chargers 23 @ Redskins 17
Sun, 11/27/05 12:00pm
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Panthers 13 @ Bills 9
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Rams 33 @ Texans 27
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Browns 12 @ Vikings 24
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Ravens 29 @ Bengals 42
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Patriots 16 @ Chiefs 26
Sun, 11/27/05 12:00pm
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Bears 13 @ Buccaneers 10
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Dolphins 33 @ Raiders 21
Sun, 11/27/05 3:05pm
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Jaguars 24 @ Cardinals 17
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Packers 14 @ Eagles 19
Sun, 11/27/05 3:15pm
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Giants 21 @ Seahawks 24
Sun, 11/27/05 3:15pm
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Saints 21 @ Jets 19
Sun, 11/27/05 7:30pm
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Steelers 7 @ Colts 26
Mon, 11/28/05 8:00pm
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Season Record120 - 56
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No-Pack-Vike Record2517 - 1476
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Falcons 27 @ Lions 7

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Jeremy
So Michael Vick trying to prove to sportwriters (that he shouldn't give a crap about) that he can be a pocket passer isn't working out too well is it?
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I feel a mini-upset here with Detroit. Joey Harrington for MVP!!!
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Jon
Michael Vick once used the alias "Ron Plymouth Rock"

Ok, how about this.

Michael Vick taught Squanto how to plant corn.

Which one's better?
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Sarah
Michelle Vick is not so smart. It's a general consensus. At this point, I don't care who wins.

Broncos 24 @ Cowboys 21

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Hey. Broncos. You know that Tatum Bell guy? He looks like he could use a few carries a game.
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My prediction: Dallas won't make the playoffs this year.
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I like both these teams. Not like as in like, but like as in I think they're good.
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Sarah
Hmmm stuffing.

Browns 12 @ Vikings 24

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4 games in a row! Under the steady leadership of Brad "5 points per game" Johnson the Vikings will finally see a winning record. The Vikings offense is surely one of the worst in the league. Let us give thanks to the D and Special Teams for the part they have played.
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If only Bernie Kosar was still playing.
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The sad thing is, we finished .500 last year.
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Sarah
Maybe Cleveland will pull out the upset, but I don't wanna take that chance. Dang it Minnesota, why, why?

Packers 14 @ Eagles 19

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The Packers are still mathematically alive for a .500 record. There's still hope yet.
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Who cares anymore?
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I haven't heard a thing about either one of these teams.
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I hate Philadelphia, I'm glad they're suffering right now. I'm not glad we're suffering right now. I am not happy with the whole "put in Aaron Rodgers and let Favre ride the bench" crap. I hate ya'll.

Saints 21 @ Jets 19

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Poor Saints. Poor poor Saints.
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This game sucks.
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Go Bruce!
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Sarah
Tough breaks all around. Hopefully Brooks Bollinger doesn't have a headache and can play.

Steelers 7 @ Colts 26

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I wish they would start Randell El so he could throw 5 picks in the first half and shut all those people up.
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With Roethlisberger back, this could be a good game, but it probably won't be. Colts by 16.
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I refuse to comment on this team any longer.
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I wanna see Antwaan Randall El play QB, return of the Slash. It's not the same thing as putting in Aaron Rodgers or Brad Johnson, plus it doesn't affect me personally.
jeremy.jpgJeremy - No one's gay for Moleman
11/23/2005 @ 04:45:05 PM
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Just a quick observation/question. Are there always this many dismal teams? A quarter of the league has 3 wins or less as of week 12.  Is that normal?
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/23/2005 @ 11:20:09 PM
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last year 7 teams won 5 games or less, 2 years ago 10 teams lost 5 games or more.  So if 8 teams have 3 wins or less through 10 or 11 games, that would work out to approximately 2.8 wins or 4.3636 wins respectively, so it seems somewhat on track with past seasons.  Maybe because for once the Packers are one of those teams it makes it much more shocking or something.
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scott.jpgScott - Resident Tech Support
11/23/2005 @ 11:20:55 PM
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4.8 wins, not 2.8
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
11/24/2005 @ 02:00:46 PM
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Happy Thanksgiving to all!
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
11/24/2005 @ 06:55:28 PM
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Ron Dayne is my hero.  Wow, what a game for him.  Probably the best game of his career.

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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/24/2005 @ 10:42:15 PM
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Indeed, it'll be interesting to see if fantasy owners start picking him up
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newalex.jpgicbeast - 3618 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 12:11:27 AM
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Nice swindle Sarah.  I actually had a knee-jerk reaction and voted against the trade, but then I realized that you were already 4 places behind me and he was one ahead of me, so I kept my mouth shut.
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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
11/25/2005 @ 12:58:13 PM
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When someone places a trade out there and leaves it out there, despite injuries or demotion, you gotta be able to take it.  It's the other person's choice to leave it and it's my choice (or Scott's *ahem*) to take it.  Besides, whenever a person goes to Tony's team, they end up doing very well, so really, I'm helping the Packers.  I have the urge to vote against the new trade between Scott and Matt.  Bulger's injuries were well known by Monday, yet Scott didn't accept until Wednesday.  Now, he's giving up Leftwich and Boldin for a QB Matt can't stand, a WR that may or may not be of worth and then a good rb.  But, whatever.  Anyone can swindle anyone, but if everyone helps that someone because they weren't paying attention, well, I don't know if I agree.  So, in conclusion, I hope my swindle works out for me. 
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scott.jpgScott - Resident Tech Support
11/25/2005 @ 01:19:34 PM
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I actually suggested leftwich upon recieving the news that Bulger was done.  Rod Smith is definitely worth it, and I haven't had Boldin in my starting lineup for like 4 weeks.  Even so, I'm kinda hurting at running back, so McGahee (i don't care about the spelling) was what makes the deal good for me.  I'm also not in the business of screwing my competitors.  I accepted the trade because Bulger hasn't been healthy for a while.  I can't say I knew that he was done for the season when I accepted it.  But anyway, I'm just a nice guy I guess.


 


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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 03:48:01 PM
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Am I understanding you sarah, that you think that Scott is getting ripped off?  If I were to vote against the trade it would be because I actually think that Matt's giving up too much.  But the fact is they both want the trade and no one is trying anything malevolent.  As for the first trade, it's my understanding that this is a "good faith" league.  We're not playing three card monty here.  I think Scott and Matt are both on the same page in that regard.

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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 05:49:13 PM
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i think Sarah's thoughts were just that regardless of whether or not Scott knew Matt had plenty of time to pull the trade back, so it was tough noogies for him. I basically felt the same way but voted against it really for no good reason.  I actually respect Sarah's decision, and not only because I'm legally obligated to. After pulling her Gado farce of a deal it's only far she allow someone else to be burned by a trade they let dangle too long.

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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 06:15:53 PM
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No offense but I wasn't really looking for your interpretation of her thoughts.  Anyway, there's no arguing the technicality of it all, since obviously there are deadlines and such.  The whole rejecting a trade thing, I would argue is for such situations where the letter of the law isn't violated but the spirit kind of is.  By the way your last sentence sounds a little too close to a "two wrongs make a right" kind of statement for me.  But just so there's no confusion, this isn't a "fighting words" kind of statement.  Just some thoughts.

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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 06:35:11 PM
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I meerly meant with the last sentence that at least she wasn't a hippocrate.  The issue rested mainly on the fact that Sarah abstaning kept it a democratic process. Sarah's vote would have been the been the beat all end all. Also the situation wouldn't have been much different than if someone asked her to go back and start someone because they didn't know they would be out when they started them. Also I think Scott is geting ripped of as well .  
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
11/25/2005 @ 06:35:14 PM
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Here's my interpretation of the whole thing.  Matt had plenty of time to pull the trade off of the table.  Bulger got hurt on Sunday, Scott accepted the trade on Wednesday.  MRIs were done on Monday.  There was plenty of time to pull the trade off the table.  Instead, we were all expected to veto the trade because someone wasn't paying attention?  I say too bad so sad.  That's the game.  It's all about the competition.  If you offer a trade to someone, you better know what you're offering and what you're receiving.  I just don't see why if you make a mistake you should end up getting a better deal, while someone who was paying attention, ends up getting hurt in the bargain.  I'm looking at it purely in a competitive view.  Not in some moral view, but it is nice to see some people comment before the week is over.


 

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scott.jpgscott - Resident Tech Support
11/25/2005 @ 07:54:22 PM
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here's why: i'm a nice guy who isn't willing to win at any cost.  I accepted the trade knowing the Bulger was hurt but not realizing he was out for the season.  Had I known that I wouldn't have accepted the trade.  I think though, that if the person who accepted the trade vetos it, the trade is automatically denied, because as soon as I voted against it, it was vetoed on the league page.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 08:06:12 PM
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I dont think anyone nessisarily thought you were trying to rip him off, just that him asking to undo it wasn't much different that if one of the 5 people  not paying attention asked for a favor. As the commish she has unilatteral power over the league. She could shuffle our rosters if she wanted to. So for her to vote wouldn't have been fair, obviously either yahoo works where if both parties want out it's vetoed, or you just happened to be the last one it needed to "democratically" veto it.
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matt.jpgMatt - 3354 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 10:10:41 PM
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First off, part of this was complicated because, for some reason, I had it in my head that the trade deadline was today (10/25), not next Fri.  If I realized that I had another week, I would have contacted Scott and tried to work something out, but because I thought the deadline was today and Thursday being Thanksgiving, I was worried that If I didn't get the thing vetoed quick, even if Scott and I came to an understanding, we wouldn't be able to make a second trade to balance things out, or something like that.


Secondly, I had a freaking big Biology test Monday afternoon and didn't pay much attention to football Sun/Mon.  I guess I should have made time to check my Fantasy League instead of studying.  Sarah, you say the info about Bulger was well known, but I didn't know, and even Scott says he didn't know the full extent when he accepted the trade, so obviously what you consider widespread knowledge might not fit everyone in the league.  If 2 1/2 days is too long to find out information, what is the right amount?  If Scott had accepted Tues night would you have had a problem?  How about Tues  morning or on Monday?  In real life sports, trades are voided all the time for Injuries that one or both teams didn't know about, an in real life I assume Scott and I would have worked something out or canceled the trade ourselves, but in this the only options I believed I had were to have the trade vetoed.


As for the veto, it is in the rules for a reason.  The Commissioner/League can and should prevent trades that they think are a result of collusion or are unfair due to certain circumstances (Injury being one of them).  My proposal of the trade and therefore consent of it was based on my thought that Bulger was healthy at the time I proposed it.  Nobody in their right mind could believe I would make the trade otherwise.  If you accept that, then it doesn't matter if I had 2 days or 2 minutes to find out about the injury and cancel the trade, because you can't assume that because I hadn't canceled it yet, that I knew about the injury and am still OK with the trade.   Therefore it is entirely acceptable and necessary for the League/Commish to act to rectify the situation, since (unlike real life) there is nothing that Scott or I could do independently to fix it.

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matt.jpgMatt - 3354 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 10:26:01 PM
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In regard to my previous post, I was kind of just rambling there, so I hope I was able to make some sort of sense in it.


Also, I don't now and never did think that Scott was trying to swindle me or be unfair or anything like that when he accepted the trade, I hold no ill will toward him and I hope he doesn't hold any toward me for pushing for a veto.  The same goes to Sarah and Jeremy and anyone else who may see this issue differently than me.  If I came off in the last post as angry or just as an ass, then I am sorry.  I can see good points in both sides of this situation, and while I don't agree with it, I understand your position.

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question_mark.gifMs. Always Wrong (Guest)
11/25/2005 @ 10:41:16 PM
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What I saw was the person who initiated the trade trying to back out of it after he realized he was screwing himself over.  If I had gotten some emails from Scott agreeing to this then maybe I would've gone along with it, but all I got was one side of it.  So, it really just looked like someone trying to get out of a bad trade.  I'm also not saying that Marc Bulger came to my house and told me was out for the season the second the game was over.  He hasn't been over to my house since April. 


The only thing I'm saying is if you have a trade out there, just beware, and if something happens, be smart about it and cancel before someone tries to "swindle" you and before you start begging people to right your wrongs for you.  Plus, it turns out Scott or maybe even Matt could've just vetoed it themselves.


Plus, it's November.  Trade deadline is December 2nd. 


I'm out, have a good weekend.  Reggie Bush for GBP.

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2887.gificbeast - 3618 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 10:42:31 PM
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Why has this resulted in a week's worth of posts?  I don't think anyone ever was upset, yet everything thinks that everyone else is upset, so we end up with 10 rambling comments so we come to the conclusion that there was never anything to comment on in the first place.  That being said, here's how I view trades.  Firstly, I personally don't like to trade very much, I'm not really sure why.  Secondly, I will vote against a trade if I think it is unbalanced enough, regardless of what the people making the trade think.  Thirdly, I reserve the right to not vote against an unbalanced trade if I think it improves my own position in the league.  I voted against the Bulger trade because I assumed that the injury situation was unknown and you're both right below me in the standings so I didn't want that unbalanced of trade to go through.  Then I voted against the Gado trade because it was a ripoff, then I realized it was in my best interest to let it go through, so I didn't say anything.  The new trade I will not vote against because it is "fair" I guess, though I feel Scott is easily getter the better of the deal.  Plus, I don't plan on letting either of you catch me anyway.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3354 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 11:06:19 PM
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Yeah, If I had actually realized that Dec. 2nd was a week away, I wouldn't have been in such a rush to get "my side" of the story out there and have it acted on and this could have been easier, my bad on that.  I also would have started out with a weaker offer to Scott and tried to work from there, but with Thanksgiving and my inability to read a calender, I didn't want to waste time.  Plus Trent Green is really pissing me off.


As for the veto process itself, Jon, Alex, Jeremy and I all voted against it early on (I believe).  You need 1/3 of the league and Scott's veto would have been 5 out of 13, so I think his vote just happened to be the final vote needed to break the 1/3 mark.  They should, however, allow one or both of the teams involved to cancel the trade during the 2 day review because of situations just like this.


 

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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3354 Posts
11/25/2005 @ 11:13:22 PM
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I almost forgot since nobody cared enough to keep guessing.  The correct answer to last weeks question is:


Trent Green (least) (Fantasy suckage counts less then real life suckage)


Minnesota Vikings


Ron Gardenhire


Doug Mientkiewicz


Green Bay Packers (most)

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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/26/2005 @ 09:42:51 AM
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actually, I haven't given her the power to shuffle my roster
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/26/2005 @ 09:46:40 AM
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but the reason Matt wanted out wasn't because he didn't like the trade.  He backed out because after the trade was proposed, the trade became unfair.  This happens all the time in pro sports.  If 2 teams trade players, the players have to pass a physical, even if the trade is "accepted".  Bulger didn't pass the physical.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
11/26/2005 @ 10:24:30 AM
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What if Mariucci were fired?  Would that be an acceptable replacement for Sherman?   Would Favre be ok with that?  He knows Mariucci's system right?  He's worked with him and he knows him.  I'm still one of those people who believe Favre has a year or two left in him, and with the right weapons we could make this work.  He's said he'd retire if Sherman goes, but what if they brought in Mariucci?
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/26/2005 @ 10:30:09 AM
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I'm starting to take back my fire and brimstone comments about Sherman.  I don't think he's any more at fault than anyone else for this season's woes.  And I do think he has an uncanny ability to make his teams play hard every week.  Mariucci probably would be a very good coach, but we could probably say goodbye to Favre if it happens.


The Badgers are proably going to be playing in the Capital One bowl.  If Ohio St. gets one of the 2 at large BCS bids, Wisconsin is in.  For how bad their 3 losses were, this team still overachieved big time, in my opinion and the opinion of many anyways.

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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/26/2005 @ 10:32:31 AM
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one final word about the trade, and then I'm done.  There was no swindling going on here.  I'm not in the business of trying to pull something on someone.  It was 2 honest mistakes, and in the spirit of the veto, if someone accepts a trade where one player is out for the season, that is the perfect time to vote against an unfair trade.
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newalex.jpgicbeast - 3618 Posts
11/26/2005 @ 01:30:54 PM
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Mariucci is not acceptable.  Wisconsin did overachieve, because their defense is young, injury-riddled, and basically not that good.  Favre's comments about leaving if Sherman goes more or less piss me off.  He should stop playing GM and start playing some decent QB.
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scott.jpgScott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on?
11/26/2005 @ 03:14:54 PM
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I detect some sarcasm, and some seriousness in that comment.  From what I understand, Favre said that he does not want to have to learn a new system at his age.  He is comfortable with the system that the Packers have right now, and a new coach might take a year or 2 to adjust and perform.  While I think that a single player should not have the kind of power (Kobe), I can't say I disagree with him as to why he said it.
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2887.gificbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose
11/26/2005 @ 03:23:41 PM
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I guess he probably has enough money to do whatever he wants, it just seems pretty lame that he would retire because he doesn't want to learn a new system.  Seems like a cop-out.  If he is such the competitor and blah-blah that he always gets credit for, he should want to keep playing.  Some people don't like it when top athletes don't know when to quit, but I say pooey.  If the fire is still there, keep playing.  If not, just say so, don't make up some lame excuse.  He's all talk about these things anyway, so I guess I should wait to see what happens before caring too much.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - So's your face
11/26/2005 @ 03:38:46 PM
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One last thing about the trade fiasco.  My whole point wasn't about swindling, it was about paying attention to your trades that you lay out on the table. 


Ok, interesting comments about the Favre/Sherman/Mariucci triangle.  I just like hearing what people have to say.  (seeing I suppose)


We just put up our X-mas tree, and I happen to like Christmas lights.  Bring it Scott.

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2887.gificbeast - 3618 Posts
11/26/2005 @ 04:53:55 PM
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X-mas tree, but Christmas lights?  Interesting.


I personally enjoy Christmas lights.  In fact, they are my regular lighting in my room.  I also have the base of an old reading lamp hanging from the ceiling in a corner, but since it has no shade or anything I don't really like to use that.

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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
11/27/2005 @ 11:56:25 AM
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Switching between the Viking game and the Bear game, sweet.  The Viking game doesn't appear to be in HD, which kind of pisses me off, hopefully it switches.  I know who I'm suppose to be rooting for at this point, but I just can't do it.  I know I should want a high draft pick, but I don't want to keep losing either. argh
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
11/27/2005 @ 11:58:16 AM
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Switchfoot, really?  I could've done without that.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
11/27/2005 @ 11:58:42 AM
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Menards, really?  I could've done without that.
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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
11/27/2005 @ 11:59:09 AM
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Let the pissing off of Jeremy and Jon begin.
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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
11/27/2005 @ 01:27:46 PM
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Karma sux
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
11/27/2005 @ 01:52:42 PM
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Say your father is 62 years old and has planned all his life to retire at 65.  He has been a great investor his whole life so he could retire at any time and be monetarilly set for the rest of his life.  But he enjoys his work, has been at the company for almost his whole life, and wants to put in the next few years comfortably.

All of a sudden, a hot shot new 35-year old CEO walks in and starts micromanaging the job your dad has done perfectly for his whole life.  His practices are called into question and he is forced to learn a completely new way of doing his job according to the whim of his new boss. 

Would you tell your father to quit making up lame excuses and that not wanting to change his job with only a few years left is a cop-out.  Or would you want him to retire happy, knowing that he had a successful career that he can be proud of for the rest of his life.

Brett Favre sucks
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newalex.jpgicbeast - 3618 Posts
11/27/2005 @ 02:37:42 PM
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1.  Favre has not done his job perfectly his whole life.  2.  His current performance is not that great and good use some questioning.  3.  What does a CEO micromanaging some unknown job have to do with playing quarterback in the NFL?  4.  To refuse to change before one even has any idea of how big or what the change will be is just plain stubborn foolishness, like your comment.

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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
11/27/2005 @ 03:21:28 PM
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LT got Jeremy 42.3 points.
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2887.gificbeast - 3618 Posts
11/27/2005 @ 03:42:30 PM
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Yeah for Westbrook!!!  I think they should change the name from "hands to the face" to "the Packer penalty".
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
11/27/2005 @ 03:48:46 PM
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It's the Tony effect.
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
11/27/2005 @ 04:35:48 PM
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For every inch forward, there's 20 yards back.  It hurts to watch.
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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
11/27/2005 @ 04:36:48 PM
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Bubba's injury sounds serious.
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matt.jpgMatt - Washington Bureau Chief
11/27/2005 @ 06:08:29 PM
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This is ridiculous, now Leftwich is injured.
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matt.jpgMatt - 3354 Posts
11/27/2005 @ 06:29:48 PM
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The Brett Favre Rule
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
11/27/2005 @ 06:34:53 PM
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 our first losing season
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/27/2005 @ 11:26:47 PM
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It's just that I spent 2 hours on Friday untangling and getting 3 strands of Christmas lights to light up to put on my company Christmas tree.  It was about the most frustrating time putting up a Christmas tree I have ever had.  And I didn't realize that the lights didn't all work until after I got them on the tree, and then I had to take them all down to figure out which one was causing 1/2 the lights on each strand to go out.  Usually I like Christmas lights.

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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/27/2005 @ 11:32:15 PM
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That rouging the passer call probably was weak, but in defense of the ref, the defender's forearm did hit Favre square in the head.  Probably wasn't intentional, but I have no other explanation, and I don't see anyone complaining about other weak RTP calls, so I don't really care anymore.   Someone call Reggie Bush and tell him he's playing for the Packers next season.
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scott.jpgScott - On your mark...get set...Terrible!
11/28/2005 @ 12:10:05 PM
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good week for Jon's picks.  Almost a perfect week.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/28/2005 @ 02:29:59 PM
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personally I think not wanting to learn a new system is a pretty good reason for not coming back.  While I don't completely get Micah's analogy, I don't disagree completely with his point either.  If Favre doesn't come back it will be because he has lost his desire and because he doesn't think he can compete.  A new system might be the entity that causes him to lose the desire.  I think it's pretty legimate.  Although I too agree that if a player wants to continue playing, there should be no remarks from the media telling him to hang it up simply because because that player isn't the wonder that he once was.  Jerry Rice got crap for it, Joe Montana got crap for it, Michael Jordan got crap for it.  If he has the desire and he is capable of making a team, let him play.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Robots don't say 'ye'
11/28/2005 @ 03:02:13 PM
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I'm still waiting for someone to have a undefeated regular season week.

I think Farve's point could be that he's just teetering on the fence on whether or not to come back and that is as good a reason as any to call it quits. Maybe the fact that he can't seem to decide is a decision in and of itself.

I do however think he owes the team a decision now, not next April. What happens if Matt Leinert falls to the Packers pick but Favre waited so long to decide you never got to find out what you have in Rodgers? Also maybe having to watch someone else for a bit will make Favre realize how bad he wants to be out there. In a wierd way working in Rodgers some might make Favre want to play longer.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
11/28/2005 @ 09:02:43 PM
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 I can't take all the Favre bashing.
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jon.jpgJon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert
11/28/2005 @ 11:41:21 PM
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It's the end of the weekend so I'll start commenting.


Story about the roughing the passer call.  I was watching the game with Packer fans, real ones not just casual.  When the call was announced, I immediately said, "Brett Favre Rule" and they agreed and were laughing.  But then we all concluded that it was the right call because he got hit in the head.

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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!?
11/29/2005 @ 08:01:55 AM
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By the way.  The Brett Favre Rule goes beyond simply getting the penalty. At the heart of the Brett Favre rule is that it always happens in some "give the Packers new life" situation.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/29/2005 @ 08:47:47 AM
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Originally, Jon, I thought the call was weak too.  I was thinking "man, i'm probably going to here something about this on Page 3."  But then most people seemed to agree with the head shot thing.


So the BFR has nothing to do with Favre apparently, but a general dislike for the Packers alltogether.:)

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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/29/2005 @ 08:48:58 AM
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BTW, doesn't roughing the passer always seem to occurr in some "give the team new life" situation for almost every team?  that's been my observation anyway.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/29/2005 @ 09:44:35 AM
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To an extent. Favre just seems to get alot of post interception/3rd down screwup calls on drives where the game is on the line.

The whole BFR thing is mostly just kidding on the square.
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question_mark.gifAnon. Nut Can Fan (Guest)
11/29/2005 @ 12:47:54 PM
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Did you ever consider that Favre gets so many post interception/3rd down screwup redos because he simply makes an inordinate number of those plays in the first place?  I prefer to kid on the octagon.
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2887.gificbeast - 3618 Posts
11/29/2005 @ 12:48:50 PM
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I also prefer to comment from my computer at home because my name is always filled in for me.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/29/2005 @ 01:07:08 PM
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Yeah, it's amazing to me how fast everyone got into that habit given that the names weren't filled in for the first 3.5 years of Page 3's existance.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/29/2005 @ 05:40:04 PM
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ummm, so what's the "on the square" thing.


I think Favre is prone to draw roughing the passer calls a lot simply because his "form" is such that he is easy to bring down after he throws.  He often throws off balance or across his body, or off one foot, and because of that, if a DL is charging him and hits him after the throw, Favre is likely to go down.  In a sense, this "form" is probably how he has survived his whole career without getting injured.  Now, Favre probably gets his share of RTP calls that maybe he shouldn't get.  But then again, I think Michael Jordan got a few calls in his day:)


Also, I'll be the judge of who's kidding and who's not

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2887.gificbeast - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated
11/29/2005 @ 06:10:47 PM
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Well, if you're the official judge, can I get a ruling on Matt's pregame comments on the Atlanta at Detroit game?
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scott.jpgScott - Resident Tech Support
11/29/2005 @ 06:28:53 PM
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just for the record:


if Favre continues on his current pace, he will throw approximately 27 touchdown passes this season.  If that is the case, he will only need to throw 17 TD passes next season to break Marino's record of 420.  Also some interesting notes I've come across:  1) Favre's career passer rating is 86.9 (marino's is 86.4).......2)Favre's td-int ratio is 1.61 Mario's is 1.66 (similar)......3) Favre's overall completion percentage is 61.6 compared to Marino's 59.4........4)Marino had jerry curls.....Favre is a Mississippi yokal who wore a flannel shirt and a tie to his high school graduation.........5)I'm bored and I'm in class.....6)Favre has twice as many 30+ touchdown seasons as Marino, and Marino threw for 25+ touchdowns only once after his 6th year, Favre has done it 6 times since his 6th season.


The point of all my nonsensical, Favre-obsessed rambling is that inspite of some people's view of Favre as washed up, he is still putting up better numbers than Marino, Elway, Aikman, etc at this point in their careers.  Ok, I'm done with the Favre loving for this week.  (who am I kidding, I'm never done with the Favre loving)


Go Badgers

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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/29/2005 @ 06:32:43 PM
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Matt is kidding, he means Steve Mariucci for Coach of the Year
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/29/2005 @ 06:49:37 PM
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my prof has gone over like 5 minutes.  this is crazy
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Super Chocolate Bear
11/29/2005 @ 07:49:40 PM
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<a href = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidding_on_the_square>Kidding on the Square</a>
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newalex.jpgicbeast - 3618 Posts
11/30/2005 @ 12:14:04 AM
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I got to watch the Badgers for the first time this year tonight in an 88-91 point loss to Wake Forest.  They often looked like a young, unexperienced group which is what I was expecting.  They were down 10 in both halves and trailed most of the game, but I was really impressed with how they always kept fighting and stayed in the game.  I suppose I should expect that from a Bo Ryan coached team, but I thought at any minute they were about to be blown out, yet they always answered every run of Wake with one of their own.  I know a loss is a loss, but consider that senior point guard Justin Gray of Wake played the best game of his career, senior center Eric Williams of Wake was pretty much unstoppable, and yet the game went right down to wire.  The Badgers also seem to have more athletic big bodies then in recent years, even if they couldn't do much against Williams (who is probably in the top 5 or at least 10 centers in college right now).  I think they will have a pretty good year and they should be near the top in the Big Ten.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/30/2005 @ 01:15:12 AM
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ok, kidding on the square is no longer funny now that I know what it means. :)
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/30/2005 @ 08:00:00 AM
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Well what did you think it meant? Or better yet why was it funny before?
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question_mark.gifAnon. Nut Can Fan (Guest)
11/30/2005 @ 12:48:57 PM
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I second that question.
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scott.jpgScott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue.
11/30/2005 @ 10:47:09 PM
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I decline to comment on account of my previous comment made no sense.
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