NFL 2004 Season Week 9 Picks

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 11/04/2004 @ 03:48:00 PM
"I think page 3 writers should be fined or suspended for not getting their picks in by the wednesday deadline." --Sarah Brovan, Week 5		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/04/2004 @ 05:18:10 PM
I concur. I honestly forgot that it was Wednesday and I had all the time in the world yesterday to do my picks too, which is the bad thing. Instead I watched the stupid movie "Team America." (Yes, illegally Jon) So, that about does it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/04/2004 @ 05:18:32 PM
Oh, and I have some weird picks, I agreed with Matt on some of mine! eek!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/04/2004 @ 09:31:31 PM
it's weird, Viking fans seem to think that everything that helps the Packers is some weird mandate from a higher being that only happens because it's the Packers, as if all teams are 100% healthy until they play the Packers. But if it works, hey, I can't complain.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 11/04/2004 @ 09:38:46 PM
Oh yeah, Washington, Miami, Pittsburgh, Jets, KC, Dallas, Carolina, Giants, New Orleans, Seattle, St. Louis, Denver, Baltimore, Indianapolis I agree with Jeremy, pittsgurgh will do it again. St. Louis gives New England their 2nd straight loss, and people will start asking "What's happening to New England?", and then New England goes on to win out the rest of the regular season. Indy will beat the Vikes in a close one, 49-42, just touchdowns, no field goals or defense. And Wisconsin beats Minnesota in a blowout.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 11/04/2004 @ 09:40:46 PM
pittsburgh, not pittsgurgh, what was I thinking		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 11/04/2004 @ 10:05:38 PM
It's not all Viking fans Scott, mainly just Jeremy.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/04/2004 @ 11:02:39 PM
It doesn't happen only to the Packers, it just happens everytime for the packers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/05/2004 @ 10:04:27 AM
ah, i see		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/05/2004 @ 10:09:18 AM
if Moss starts this week, the will be no more rediculous talk about Favre having token starts, because Moss will become the poster boy for token starts. That said, Favre is on pace for his 4th 4000 yard season.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/05/2004 @ 01:24:12 PM
Moss was actually in the game quite a bit. He would have had a TD if got his feet in. Granted he was only in like 10 plays but we went 3 and out like everytime. His leg tightened up over halftime so he stayed out. His two have been close but to me a token start his they roll you out in a wheel chair to be in the first play. Maybe they should just change what constitutes a start, rather than having it based on who happens to be in the first formation.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 11/05/2004 @ 05:14:05 PM
DET, ARI, PHILLY, BUFF, KC, CIN, OAK, NYG, SD, SEA, NE, HOU, BALT, INDY So by your definition, no one has ever had a token start?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/06/2004 @ 09:34:57 AM
No one except brett favre. but i guess that opinion has changed since moss has had the token to top all token starts.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 11/06/2004 @ 09:57:14 AM
I just think the phrase token start gets tossed around too much. There are lots of players that try unsucsessfully to play through injuries. They said he was going to play as a redzone decoy and 2 weeks in a row he did and was 4 inches from having a TD. I don't think there was anything token about the second game and the first was borderline. I guess Favre doesn't have any, maybe if he didn't have a bye every freaking time right after he gets hurt he might.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 11/06/2004 @ 10:43:11 AM
He did give up a token sack once.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 11/06/2004 @ 10:46:38 AM
the bye week thing is a big conspiracy, because actually, the NFL waits until Favre gets hurt and THEN they schedule the bye week. It's werid.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/06/2004 @ 11:10:17 AM
It's called luck.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 11/06/2004 @ 02:24:03 PM
in 1996, the Packers lost their number 1 receiver, Robert Brooks for the season in like week 6, and then lost Antonio Freeman for about a month in like week 9 or something like that, eventually their starting receivers were Terry Mickens(don't be shocked if you've never heard of him), Don Beebe, and Derrik Mayes (they did pick up Andre Rison halfway through the season too). Oh yeah, they lost their pro-bowl TE Mark Chmura for like a month too somewhere in that stretch. The Packers have had their seasons of crappy luck too, it just so happened that in this year, probably their worst year as far as injuries goes, they won the Super Bowl.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/06/2004 @ 02:33:05 PM
I remember Terry Mickens. Derrick Mayes was suppose to be the next best thing, good thing he went with Mike Holmgren to Seattle, because he never amounted to anything. '96 was a good year. Chmura hurt his foot in Kansas City, but that might've been another year or something, I don't remember. But, the team pulled together, our defense was awesome and we got ourselves a Super Bowl. Just have to fight through the injuries and not complain about other team's "luck."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 11/06/2004 @ 02:39:47 PM
and Robert Brooks was almost as important to your team as Moss is, so that is a fair comparison, I'll be quiet now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/07/2004 @ 03:29:21 AM
He was our #1 receiver, but we found other ways to score.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/07/2004 @ 10:36:47 AM
Donald Driver is your #1 now, and he's not even the best WR on the team.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 11/07/2004 @ 01:46:19 PM
I'm bored and don't really care about the one game on tv. So I'm going to try to do "live" scoring.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/07/2004 @ 08:58:33 PM
Page 3 staffers are hurtin' with the picks.... I was so close with my miami pick, came down to the last 20 seconds!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 11/07/2004 @ 10:20:13 PM
This is the first week I've won since week 1.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/07/2004 @ 10:50:01 PM
One game left. I had this one in the L column going into the season so I'll just consider it a bonus if we come out ahead. Without Moss I don't know if this is going to be the 1000 point shootout the NFL/ABC is hyping it to be.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/08/2004 @ 09:30:26 PM
man, I thought picking the over would be a surewin. What's going on in this game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 11/08/2004 @ 11:10:21 PM
Just good enough to keep my hopes up, not enough to not break my heart. Packers are going down.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/08/2004 @ 11:28:02 PM
Jon narrowly in first despite leaving about 7 million points on the bench this week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 11/08/2004 @ 11:33:33 PM
9-5, 72-58 If my hasty calculations are at all correct, the top 5 in the fantasy league will be seperated by about 23 points, or the equivalent of one 60 yard pass to yourself for a TD plus the 2-point conversion pass to yourself. And then there's those 2 other teams. If Bellicheck wouldn't be such a stingy bastard with his injury reports, not playing a "Questionable" Dillon one week, and then playing a "Questionable" Givens the next, I'd be in first. That was cool when Rison was a Packer.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 11/08/2004 @ 11:34:55 PM
I guess I was right, you should've told me you where doing that. :) Or I could've typed faster.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/08/2004 @ 11:45:27 PM
Next week the Pack could be sitting atop the division, even if the Lions win. Who would've seen that 4 weeks ago? Sweet.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/09/2004 @ 01:10:05 PM
I saw it coming. You all were the drama queens declaring the season over in week 4. There's a lot of football still to go. Don't be surprised if the vikes drop the next 2 before Moss comes back. The second half of the season is pretty easy...if there is such a thing. Despite the loss I was pretty proud of my boys...don't expect a cake walk just because our best player is out. There is no concievable reason that if the packers are anywhere as good as yall think they are that they would let the vikes out with a win.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 11/09/2004 @ 02:09:31 PM
I never counted the Pack out. They'll win out, and continue this year's weird happenings in sports (red sox winning the world series, red sox coming back from 3-0, all 5 Florida football teams that played losing on the same weekend, the Redskins failing to predict the president), the pack will be only like the 3rd team maybe in history to make the playoffs after starting 1-4. Blowout this weekend. That's what I predict.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/09/2004 @ 05:29:39 PM
To put it another way it doesn't mean much if the Packers win, because they have 1000 reasons why they should. It DOES mean alot if they lose.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 11/09/2004 @ 05:34:01 PM
maybe, but the big emphasis made earlier in the season was about a team's chances about making the playoffs after starting the season 1-4, and since this year in sports has had many of these types of stats and senerios go against the odds, it would be fitting for the Packers to keep winning.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/09/2004 @ 06:12:38 PM
Paraiety (sp?) is at an all time high in the NFL. Those stats are meaningless. There used to be a reason to lose, or win, 4 in a row. Now it's any given Sunday and sometimes the coin comes up heads 4 times.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 11/09/2004 @ 06:35:30 PM
Parity (please tell me you weren't serious with that spelling) is really not so prevalent as the media would have everyone believe. The Patriots have a mini dynasty going, the Steelers and Eagles are crushing teams left and right, while Miami, Carolina, and SF can't win. The playing field has only leveled slightly, if at all. What has changed is that a 4-12 team one year can be a 12-4 team next year. "Any given Sunday" is overused motivational, ratings-driving media propoganda. The Packers may have 1000 reasons why they should win the game, but you have 10,000 excuses about everything Vikings. And it does mean a lot if the Packers win, it means they'll be in first place sucka!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 11/09/2004 @ 07:02:49 PM
You listed 6 teams, there are 26 more. It doesn't mean a lot if the Packers win. They should win. Teams should win at home. Teams should win coming off of a bye. Teams should beat other teams when their best player is out. They would be in first, yes, by a tie breaker, in week 10. The Vikes will get Moss back start owning again and the Packers will lose to the Texans, Rams, Eagles, Jags, and Vikes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 11/09/2004 @ 10:20:59 PM
that's why they play the games.....that is the most important part. parity is only so good.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/09/2004 @ 10:24:32 PM
if this parity of which you speak is so high, than no game means anything and Baseball shoots to the top as the greatest sport and never looks back.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 11/09/2004 @ 10:31:56 PM
Not sure how you make that jump.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 11/09/2004 @ 10:53:41 PM
Okay, you're right I agree with you. The Packers winning the game would mean basically next to nothing, since they're playing one of the worst teams in football, which also just happens to be a one-man team and that man is hurt. And taking the division lead at this point of the season isn't that important, since it's pretty much guaranteed that the Vikings will never win the division again and the Lions still aren't for real. So I guess you were right all along. I won't agree with Scott (because basketball is actually the greatest sport), but I'll defend his comment anyway. If parity rules the day in the NFL, it basically comes down to luck as to who wins the Super Bowl. If no teams are really any better than any of the others, and any team can beat any other team, then having only a 16 game season and a single elimination tournament can hardly guarantee that the best team, or even one of the best teams, will win the Super Bowl. So why bother?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2004 @ 07:23:26 AM
I didn't mean the game is meaningless, just that a Packer loss is more indicative than a Viking loss. NEWS FLASH: The best teams don't always make, or win, the Super Bowl, in fact they rarely do. That's why football is so great. There are better teams and there are worse teams, but on any given Sunday a bad team can take out a good team. Of course you need luck on your side to win a Super Bowl. That is what makes it exciting. You never know what's going to happen. You know how the Brewers season will play out before it even happens, but the Packers could go 4-12 or 12-4 depending on which way the ball bounces, if they make plays when it counts, and if they get opponent's game winning touchdowns taken off the board. ps Basketball sucks.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 11/11/2004 @ 06:37:47 PM
indicative adj. 1. Serving to indicate: symptoms indicative of anemia; an insignia indicative of high rank. 2. Grammar. Of, relating to, or being the mood of the verb used in ordinary objective statements. Indicative of what? Just because the Brewers have stunk for so long, doesn't mean you can predict baseball. Any given game can be won by either team just as much as football. A dominating starting pitcher can go 8 innings, then the closer can make two bad pitches and lose the game. Sure, by the end of the season you think have a pretty good idea of which teams can beat others, but then you get the Diamondbacks upending the Yankees, the Marlins taking down the Cubs, and the Red Sox coming back from 0-3. The lack of a salarly cap makes it harder to have big swings in record from year to year, but look at the Braves this year. No one thought they had a chance. Or the crappiness of the Orioles and other teams who were supposed to be good. That was too long, I should've said "You listed 1 team, there are 29 others." You don't like basketball just because you can't play it, same as I don't like hockey because I can't skate.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.