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Titans 3 @ Vikings 20

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You can say all you want about Daunte Culpepper. He's on pace for easily the greatest season any quarterback has ever played. Going into the Saints game he was already on pace for the best season. Itís hard for people to believe players can sustain their torrent early season pace. Well he UPPED the pace amassing more yards then the Saints had and threw for 5 tds for the 3rd time. That is all great, but the most telling thing about Daunte this year, perhaps because it goes directly against a common knock on Daunte, is he had his best game EVER without Randy Moss on the field for half the game. With Randy Moss in street clothes rooting from the sideline he led the Vikes to 24 points. As many points as 21 teams had in their entire game. The Vikes had 10 more points without Randy than with, 5 teams scored 10 or fewer points in their game last week. If Randy doesnít suit up he ends his starting streak, he's never missed a pre, regular or post season game. If he doesn't dress oddly enough his consecutive catches and TD's lives on, because it only counts games you play. (Rice, who holds the TD record, apparently missed almost an entire season.)
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As a protest to Jeremy's random and dictatorial decision to post this page early and before my picks were in, I will make no game comments this week other than this: Free Larry Ned.
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Moss, no Moss, no matter. Minnesota is on a roll.
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I dislike Tennessee. They shamed us at OUR house. I hope they do that at the dome, but I am going to have to pick the Vikings as long as they keep hanging in there. Even though they have been putting the points on the board, they haven't been keeping them off either. AKA defense needs a little work. Tennessee really kind of sucked last week. COME ON!

Cowboys 20 @ Packers 41

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I don't know where to go with this one. On one hand the Packers always seem to lay an egg after a big win, on the other hand they can't really go 0-4 at home....can they? I'm still pissed about my phantom Lions pick last week, I picked the Packers...I did...I don't know what happened. The Packers owe me for the win because I've only hit one Packer game this year. So I'll pick GB cause if they win, I'll get it right and if they lose I wont care because it's always good when they lose.
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Hey Sarah, how do you like your tuna? With a side of creamed corn?
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OOOOO the hated cowboys. It's like the mid 90's all over again. Except, both of these teams suck. :( Last week's game was a bit invigorating though. I really didn't think we had it in us. But, something turned the Pack around and they played with some heart. That's what has been lacking these last 4 weeks. Driver turned it up a notch, and I loved the TD pass by Green. He is being bothered by a sore achilles tendon, so he might not get much playing time again. The team just has to work together, and anything is possible.

Broncos 10 @ Bengals 23

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John is going to kill Boomer in this matchup.
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This week I'll be starting at running back for the Broncos.
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Oh my boys the Bengals playing Monday night. I am picking them to win and I am not sure why. Anything could happen I suppose. A better game to talk about would be the Pats Jets game. That should be interesting. The Pats will really be tested, and maybe their streak will end.
jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8986 Posts
10/19/2004 @ 11:50:55 PM
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I apologize for the sizes, but I couldn't resist.

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scott.jpgScott - On your mark...get set...Terrible!
10/20/2004 @ 12:05:16 AM
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meh, whatever Viking fans need to get their kicks I guess. Here's something funny though, He's not on the Packers anymore, so I don't have to care=)
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4128 Posts
10/20/2004 @ 02:35:00 PM
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Here's the thing. No one is denying the fact that Moss can catch TD passes. Nor does anyone like McKenzie. So I guess my question is, what's your point?
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/20/2004 @ 02:59:21 PM
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what the video clip doesn't show is when moss shoved McKenzie at about the 15 yard line giving him ample separation. Watch the whole play, it's there. A Viking fan may not see the shove, but just because you don't want to see it doesn't mean it isn't there:)
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8986 Posts
10/20/2004 @ 04:52:35 PM
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There's no point...just that I made the comment about him getting owned again last week and then I found these pics.

I think "shoved" is a bit extreme, but there was some contact, again no worse than that of any one else. Recievers are allowed to "be physical" DB's are not.
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scott.jpgScott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on?
10/20/2004 @ 05:25:09 PM
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But Randy moss isn't allowed to do the same as other receivers, ya know
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist
10/20/2004 @ 06:21:24 PM
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He had more offensive PI than the other top 9 receivers combined last year. I'd have to imagine that's statisticly significant enough for there to of had to been something fishy going on since db's and recievers do something that could be called on pretty much every play.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/20/2004 @ 07:34:15 PM
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"You can't script October"

hmmm, yankees, red sox, game seven, in new york, winner goes to the world series....nope, no one's ever thought of that one before
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10/20/2004 @ 08:03:52 PM
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No kidding, if anything it's the most predictable script ever.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/20/2004 @ 08:34:30 PM
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now the National league, if anyone saw this coming, you are a better man than I
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newalex.jpgicbeast - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel
10/21/2004 @ 12:30:13 AM
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Moss had more offensive PI calls because he pushes off on almost every route, except maybe slant routes. Maybe his percentage of push offs called against him is a little high, but thats because he does it so often.

The Red Sox being down 0-3 and coming back to tie and then win the series is not very predictable. Only 3 teams have even gotten back to 2-3. The Sox are the first team ever to force a game 7, so I don't see how that's predictable.

I also don't see how the Yankees were so good this year. Their starting lineup is usually all household names, but they have a couple of bums this year (Tony Clark?).

There has been a ridiculous number of extra inning games this postseason, just to point out the obvious.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4128 Posts
10/21/2004 @ 07:16:22 AM
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I think they're referring to the fact that it was the yankees vs. the red sox, a match-up that the tv people wanted to see because it's such a big rivalry.
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scott.jpgScott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue.
10/21/2004 @ 07:22:53 AM
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bingo
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/21/2004 @ 01:14:30 PM
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ya know what this page needs? More door prizes. People (like myself) need to want to come here. (ok, so I don't really need any more incentive), but some people do. Just trying to help.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Pie Racist
10/21/2004 @ 03:35:59 PM
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Sarah is a wise woman. Indeed what I meant (and I think Scott meant) was not that the outcome was predictable. But rather if it were a movie it would be written to play out exactly like that.

About the only thing we could offer is guest article spots. We don't really have anything else.

Moss uses his hands like every other WR. It just looks more obvious because a lot of his catches are stationary jump balls.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/21/2004 @ 05:18:49 PM
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Moss has go go gadget arms, which he uses as weapons and should get penalized simply for setting foot on the field.

I was just kidding about the "what this page needs" comment, I was just bored and I was thinking about something I wrote for a dorm evaluation sheet. Go Astros
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newalex.jpgicbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose
10/21/2004 @ 06:53:58 PM
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So you suggested that your dorm should have door prizes?
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4128 Posts
10/21/2004 @ 11:03:47 PM
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Red Sox vs Cardinals
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2887.gificbeast - 3618 Posts
10/21/2004 @ 11:10:02 PM
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as if we didn't know?
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/21/2004 @ 11:23:32 PM
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yes to the dorm having door prizes question.
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newalex.jpgicbeast - Refactor Mercilessly
10/21/2004 @ 11:36:51 PM
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Dorm prizes for residents or for visitors?
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newalex.jpgicbeast - Who controls the past now controls the future
10/21/2004 @ 11:45:12 PM
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STL, TENN, NYG, PHILLY STEAK, TB, SD, INDY, BALT, ATL, NYJ, NO, SEA, GB, DEN
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/22/2004 @ 10:41:36 AM
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Miami, Tennessee, Giants, Philly, Tamba Bay, Carolina, Indy, Baltimore, KC, New York Jets, New Orleans, Seattle, Green Bay, Denver,

dorm prizes for everyone
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10/22/2004 @ 07:24:51 PM
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Tim Michaels is a tool
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scott.jpgScott - Resident Tech Support
10/23/2004 @ 01:02:55 PM
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true

has anyone noticed that very quietly the Packers receiving corps has become one of the best in the league. Donald Driver and Javon Walker as a tandom are 2nd in the league in Receptions and 1st overall in yards. Both are on pace for over 90 catches. Now I wish that could translate into wins.
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2887.gificbeast - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel
10/23/2004 @ 02:27:39 PM
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It translates into being down by 20 every game and needing to pass all the time.

Badgers are going all the way this year.
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scott.jpgScott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings
10/24/2004 @ 04:37:22 PM
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who picked miami!!!!!!! me!!!!!
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
10/24/2004 @ 04:59:35 PM
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Fisher for our next QB!
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
10/24/2004 @ 05:27:23 PM
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Heating Up, the Packers' perfect season starts this week.
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scott.jpgScott - On your mark...get set...Terrible!
10/24/2004 @ 05:35:10 PM
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I've determined that some of my anger towards the Packers' conservative play calling was due to the Offensive coordinator, not Mike Sherman. These last 2 weeks have definitely given me hope in him as a head coach again.
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scott.jpgScott - On your mark...get set...Terrible!
10/24/2004 @ 06:16:19 PM
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Life without Grady Jackson......130 rushing yards per game against

life with Grady Jackson.......66 rushing yards against

Javon Walker continues on his torrent pace, he is the only receiver in the league at this point to average more than 100 yards per game. Things are looking good for Green Bay, everything is coming together finally. All we need now is for this year's edition of the Choking Vikings.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8986 Posts
10/24/2004 @ 06:27:46 PM
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By the way Matt, I dont know when you made the comment about me posting it early, but i just saw it. I posted it early because for the second week in a row "the code" was cracked and a comment was made, since it shows up in the new content page it's essentially live so I just made it live before I left for work the next morning.

ps....That's how you beat the Titans
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/24/2004 @ 06:39:38 PM
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by knocking out their starting qb
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matt.jpgMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
10/24/2004 @ 08:22:04 PM
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Jeremy - You're the one who posted the first comment.... plus, so what if someone breaks the "code", good for them if they do.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!?
10/24/2004 @ 08:48:56 PM
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I can also control if it shows up in the new content, by the time I saw Scott's comment many people had been to the the week anyway since his did show up in the new content page so I thought, screw it.

Volek came in doing way better than McNair was doing, plus we were without Moss. I'm not going to feel bad for other teams injuries, we're as bad off as anyone else, and winning.
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2887.gificbeast - Who controls the past now controls the future
10/24/2004 @ 09:05:05 PM
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enjoy it while it lasts
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2887.gificbeast - 3618 Posts
10/24/2004 @ 09:10:53 PM
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Devin Harris had 20 points in his first preseason start against the Bucks last night. Bo seems to be doing a pretty good job of recruiting already, but having a star player in the NBA from Wisconsin couldn't hurt. Hopefully he gets a lot of playing time this year.
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scott.jpgScott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings
10/24/2004 @ 10:50:12 PM
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has my "breaking of the code" caused a problem? if so I can stop, otherwise, I'm all over it.
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matt.jpgMatt - Ombudsman
10/25/2004 @ 02:32:03 AM
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If we stop posting comments to future weeks, then the terrorist have won.
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10/25/2004 @ 02:32:22 AM
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If we stop posting comments to future weeks, then the terrorists have won.
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10/25/2004 @ 02:34:23 AM
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Also...ignore the 1st 2:32am post, otherwise the terrorists win again.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4128 Posts
10/25/2004 @ 08:01:17 AM
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"Favre has a swollen throwing hand"
I am surprised none of the announcers made a comment when this happened. They showed Favre wincing and shaking his hand. I said oh crap, but nothing was said. I hope the xrays are negative! It's always enjoyable when we crush the cowboys!
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8986 Posts
10/25/2004 @ 10:44:06 AM
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Don't worry Sarah, 85% of the Redskins broadcast will be spent talking about it 95% if He has any INTs
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scott.jpgScott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings
10/25/2004 @ 12:36:10 PM
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which he won't have, so only 85%
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/25/2004 @ 04:35:32 PM
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Vikings and Packers are 1-2 in Total offense, and 28-21 in total defense. When the 2 teams meet in 3 weeks, it's going to be a shootout, unless moss is hurt, cuz the vikes only had 161 passing yards without him. Is it truly a myth?
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!?
10/25/2004 @ 05:55:23 PM
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Well the Vikings beat the Titans without Moss. Those same Titans who beat the ever living crap out of the Packers.

The Vikes have scored only 8 less points, with one game less, and their opponents have scored 44 less points.

We ran the ball more against the Titans than we normally do. When your back gets you 7 a carry who needs to pass?

Plus Daunte had 183 yards.

No one ever said there would be no drop off, but they can get the job done without him.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/25/2004 @ 06:35:10 PM
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that was the "old" packers. The Packers that played this weekend are going undefeated
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newalex.jpgicbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose
10/25/2004 @ 06:39:32 PM
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Hey remember when you were talking about Culpepper and his non-dropping off stats? I tried to find it, but apparently you did remember and went back and deleted it cause I can't find it.

Big time rally for me this week in the fantasy league. It helped that my receivers had 4 TDs combined.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children.
10/25/2004 @ 06:53:05 PM
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It's my comment for this week, it's still there. All I meant was going into last week people were talking about how he can't keep that pace up, and he upped the pace.
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newalex.jpgicbeast - 3618 Posts
10/26/2004 @ 06:20:19 PM
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They were right though.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8986 Posts
10/26/2004 @ 06:26:46 PM
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They weren't right last week....which was what I was talking about.
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matt.jpgMatt - 3387 Posts
10/26/2004 @ 06:50:13 PM
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Jeremy must be feeling insecure about being behind this season, so he put up the lifetime stats to boost his ego.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8986 Posts
10/26/2004 @ 07:34:02 PM
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Actually I was watching the world series a couple days ago and they showed some guys post season and lifetime average, which gave me the idea. However, that makes it a perfect 3/3 on other Page 3 staffers (as well as my brother Cory) who said the same thing. Perhaps it is you who are insecure :)

I'll never understand why National League rules apply in the World series at the NL parks. It's a huge advantage for the National League team.
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2887.gificbeast - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so!
10/26/2004 @ 09:05:00 PM
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I don't understand why the leagues have gone this long with different rules.
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newalex.jpgicbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose
10/26/2004 @ 09:10:46 PM
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Big Dog is going to be benched for some rookie punk. I don't know how you bench a guy with a career scoring average over 20. He had injury problems last year, but I think he is healthy now. Oh well, I don't like the Sixers anyway so if they want to suck that's fine with me.
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10/27/2004 @ 06:22:54 PM
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7-7

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10/27/2004 @ 09:38:25 PM
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Robots don't say 'ye'
10/27/2004 @ 09:40:47 PM
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Apparently Rosanne was booked for tonight's "God Bless America"
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10/27/2004 @ 10:12:22 PM
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If Boston wins as the moon goes into a full eclipse that has to foretell the end of he world right?
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
10/27/2004 @ 11:57:00 PM
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well, Jesus was already on the field (or was that actually Johnny damon), maybe that says something
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
10/28/2004 @ 08:27:01 AM
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Johnny Damongerously is my hero!
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4128 Posts
10/28/2004 @ 12:35:38 PM
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I get it. Sweep. Ha. Funny. Doug made the last out. BOO! ya! (did i scare ya?)
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2887.gificbeast - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so!
10/28/2004 @ 05:43:38 PM
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I meant to comment on this the first time I saw it but I forgot. Playing 2 snaps to keep a consecutive game streak alive is weak, very weak.

I barely watched any of the World Series. Didn't really care. Football season is in full swing and I neither like nor dislike both teams. Quite the winning streak though by the Sox. And quite a choke by the Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds combo.

That first comment is about Moss in case anyone didn't know.
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10/28/2004 @ 06:09:06 PM
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I know Favre has had at least one token start in his streak. It came after a Viking game.
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matt.jpgMatt - 3387 Posts
10/28/2004 @ 07:09:16 PM
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I don't think the Moss thing was weak at all. I think that they planned on using him more in red zone situations and as a decoy, but the game was in the bag pretty quickly and they didn't feel like they needed to use him.
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newalex.jpgicbeast - Refactor Mercilessly
10/28/2004 @ 07:49:51 PM
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I think they talked up the decoy and red zone thing just to get the other team to plan for it. That I have no problem with.

Oct 31, 2002 article
"Favre has started 180 straight games, counting playoffs. Although the Packers fully expect Favre to start against Miami, Sherman was asked what would happen if he suffered a setback during the week.

Sherman was adamant in saying that he wouldn't give Favre a token snap or two just to keep his streak alive."

After scouring the earth for boxscores and such, I find no token start for Farve after a Viking game. The least he's done in a game after a Minnesota matchup was his 6 of 15 game against the Bears on Oct. 31, 1994 in a game in which the Packers ran for 223 yards and won. He also got hurt in a TB game after a Vikings game (Sapp), but that was later in the game.

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newalex.jpgicbeast - Refactor Mercilessly
10/28/2004 @ 08:00:50 PM
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I did not watch the game, but from the box score the Titans were winning until 1:18 left in the first quarter when the Vikings tied it. It was then another 5 minutes of game time before the Vikings went up by 7, not a very big lead. Then with 56 seconds left in the first half, they made it 14 point lead. Still hardly in the bag, although I'm assuming that the Titans were really playing poorly from what I've heard and read.

So it was a close game until that second TD and Moss only got 2 snaps in the whole first half? TOKEN!

In an unrelated story, I just got my first phone call from the mothership, I mean alma mater, asking me to phone home, meaning give them money. I politely told the young woman that I was still paying off student loans and I'd be glad to contribute in a couple of years when those are paid off.

Apprentice time!
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10/28/2004 @ 09:17:20 PM
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When the Vikes were about to put the TD #2 on the board in the second quarter Moss was out there.

Obviously Sherman would say that, that doesn't mean when the time/pressure came he wouldn't cave.

I swear there was one time when Favre ended up in a boot after a Viking game and played a very short time in the next game. I could be wrong. It's a non issue anyway, token starts/streak exenders are common. I have to imagine Jerry Rice got a couple token receptions in that big reception streak of his.

If they would have thrown a screen pass to Moss on the first play for zero yards then he didn't come back that would be a bigger deal. (Although not on par with Strahan's token sack) However they really did use him as a redzone decoy like they said, so it detracts from the "tokenness" a bit.
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newalex.jpgicbeast - 3618 Posts
10/28/2004 @ 10:59:09 PM
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He only played 2 plays!!!! Out of the whole game!!!

I don't think I've ever tried to defend the Strahan sack. Only Brett knows what really happened there, but it would tough to say that Strahan earned that sack no matter what Brett's explanation was. I don't think he's ever given one?

I seem to remember Farve ending a game in the Metrodome that way as well. However I'm pretty sure I checked every box score for every Packers game after a Vikings game that Farve has played in. There were a couple of times that the Packers had their bye after Vikings game, maybe that's what happened and Farve would probably have missed the next game but they had a bye. Actually now that I say that I think that's what happened, he got hurt in Minnesota but the bye week allowed him to heal up enough to play the next game. 4 sure.

What exactly would qualify as a token reception? It needs to be a forward pass to qualify as a reception (I'm just assuming that, didn't look it up) and I doubt any defender would just let him catch a pass, so any reception would have to be earned. Lining up for 2 plays as a WR and running a little route as a decoy (I'm officially pasting a picture of Moss in my dictionary next to "decoy" since it's used so often) doesn't require much earning. If he'd have caught a pass for 0 yards at least he'd have done something. Or even a pass thrown in his direction. Playing decoy for 2 plays is about as token as it gets. The only thing less token then that is playing decoy for 1 play. So I guess on a scale of 1-10, it was a 9.99 token performance, not a perfect 10.

Ok, I guess I'll move on to week 8 now.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - Ombudsman
10/29/2004 @ 01:14:52 AM
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McNair was out and the back-up was playing like crap. By half-time everybody pretty much new the game was over, so Moss didn't even come out for the 2nd half. If the game was closer and the Vikes were in a short jump-ball type TD or 3rd downbsituation, Moss would have been used.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3387 Posts
10/29/2004 @ 01:17:18 AM
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Or even in a 3rd down situation.
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