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| Giants 26 @ Cowboys 10 Sun, 10/10/04 12:00pm FOX
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| Dolphins 10 @ Patriots 24 Sun, 10/10/04 12:00pm CBS
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| Browns 23 @ Steelers 34 Sun, 10/10/04 12:00pm CBS
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| Vikings 34 @ Texans 28 Sun, 10/10/04 12:00pm FOX
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| Lions 17 @ Falcons 10 Sun, 10/10/04 12:00pm FOX
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| Raiders 14 @ Colts 35 Sun, 10/10/04 12:00pm CBS
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| Bills 14 @ Jets 16 Sun, 10/10/04 3:05pm CBS
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| Jaguars 21 @ Chargers 34 Sun, 10/10/04 3:05pm CBS
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| Panthers 17 @ Broncos 20 Sun, 10/10/04 3:15pm FOX
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| Cardinals 28 @ 49ers 31 Sun, 10/10/04 3:15pm FOX
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| Rams 33 @ Seahawks 27 Sun, 10/10/04 3:15pm FOX
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| Ravens 17 @ Redskins 10 Sun, 10/10/04 7:30pm ESPN
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| Titans 48 @ Packers 27 Mon, 10/11/04 8:00pm ABC
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| Week Record | 7 - 7 0.500  | 9 - 5 0.643  | 9 - 5 0.643 | 7 - 7 0.500 | ||||
| Season Record | 43 - 31 0.581 | 45 - 29 0.608 | 46 - 28 0.622 | 43 - 31 0.581 | ||||
| Lifetime Record | 376 - 231 - 1 0.618 | 337 - 270 - 1 0.554 | 362 - 245 - 1 0.595 | 365 - 242 - 1 0.600 |
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| Week: | 8 - 6 0.571 |
| Season: | 42 - 32 0.568 |
| Lifetime: | 367 - 240 - 1 0.604 |
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Ravens 17 @ Redskins 10
Jeremy: Baltimore lost to the winless Cheifs at home, and lost uncharacteristically, their D got owned big time.Matt: Does anybody even care about this game?
Jon: Baltimore & Washington...Beltway Battle! Who will win the battle for the greater D.C. area? Advantage: Expos.
Sarah: East coast meets east coast. Does that mean a lot of defense? (as opposed to the west coast offense?) ha! No no. Washington is suppose to be all about the offense. The Ravens had a tough loss at home on Monday night. Maybe they can bounce back from losing to the 0-3 Chiefs. The You Got Sacked segment was exactly like the Punk'd with Justin Timberlake. Oh, and did anyone even hear Deion Sander's name during the game? Me neither.
Titans 48 @ Packers 27
Jeremy: If GB loses this one they will officially have a losing record at home over the last season or so's worth of games. That's funny to me. Unfortunately I'm not lucky enough for that to happen.Matt: Once again I must correct Sarah. For me, the 1993 season was like 7th grade. For the rest of the Page 3 staff it was 6th grade.
Jon: Green Bay is a'hurtin. Of course, I picked Tenessee so the Packers will probably win.
Sarah: A must win in the 5th week? The two toughest guys in the NFL might not even be in the game? (They will, but let's be dramatic here) This game is crazy. This season is tough to bear. 1993 was the last time the Packers started out this poorly. That was a long time ago. That was like 7th grade. Only 8 teams have made it to the playoffs after having started out that badly. But, never give up hope. That's what i did last season, and look what they ended up doing. For shame on me. However, it is kind of tough to handle the losses. You just kind of sit back and wonder what went wrong. I think now that McKenzie is out of the picture, things will go more smoothly. He was just a rain cloud hanging over our picnic. GO PACK GO!
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| I stand corrected. I think page 3 writers should be fined or suspended for not getting their picks in by the wednesday deadline. |
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| I never agreed to any Wednesday deadline. |
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| icbeast - I will possess your heart 10/08/2004 @ 12:08:45 AM |
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CLE, ATL, NE, HOU, DALL, INDY, NO, NYJ, SD, ARI, DEN, SEA, BALT, GB Can anyone beat the Cards (the STL version)? I think not. |
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| Sarah 10/08/2004 @ 12:41:16 PM |
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| There was always a Wednesday deadline. It was, in fact, agreed upon when we agreed upon it. Why didn't anyone show up for lunch on Friday? |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 02:27:29 PM |
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Pitt, Detroit, New England, Minn, Dallas, Indy, Tampa Bay, Jets, Jacksonville, Arizona, Carolina, Washington, Green Bay. I saw Jon on friday looking for you guys today around 1:30ish, but I don't think he found you. |
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| Matt - 1486 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 03:11:36 PM |
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| My 2nd class on Friday was cancelled, so I went home after my 1st class. |
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| Sarah 10/08/2004 @ 04:10:38 PM |
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| Jon is always late. I really hope you meant 12:30 because normally we eat together from 12:00-1:00. :) I was in class at 1:30. Was your class really cancelled or did you just skip for the 90th time? Also, I can see that our Page 3 readers have cracked the code and have gotten into our picks before they go live. :) |
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| icbeast - Talk to me Goose 10/08/2004 @ 06:16:28 PM |
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| I would've been at lunch, but I didn't have class today. Oh wait, I never have class anymore. Ha ha! |
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| Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 10/08/2004 @ 06:45:45 PM |
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| No, it was really cancelled. |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 07:07:22 PM |
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There's no "code cracking" when people (I'm looking at you and Matt) post comments on the week before it's live. And screw Jon, it's going live now. |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 09:33:34 PM |
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| Bush is truely a "glass is half full" guy if he honestly believes the report saying Sadaam has no weapons, or the means to make the weapons "justifies" going to war. |
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| icbeast - 2098 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 09:55:21 PM |
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Is abortion in the Constituion? I don't think so. Also, Kerry's explanation that believing that abortion is murder is a personal belief and therefore people should be allowed that choice is lame and faulty. Following that same logic, if 40% (just a random number) of US citizens believed that killing people over the age of 80 was okay, then Kerry would have to allow that as well because it's just a personal belief. Abortion is murder, it's that simple. So is embryonic stem cell research. Also, if I had a penny for every time that Kerry said the word "plan"... And just to clarify, there's alot of things I don't agree on with Bush as well, but Kerry sucks. When the woman asked him the question about using tax dollars to fund abortions, his answer seriously reminded me of Billy Madison. Not at one point in 90 seconds did he say anything about tax dollars, and I'm not sure that he really said anything about anything. |
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| Matt - Ombudsman 10/08/2004 @ 10:05:33 PM |
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| Jon wants me to convey that he thinks that Bush knocked it out of the park. |
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| Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 10/08/2004 @ 10:10:43 PM |
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| Suddenly it's an 8 to 4 ballgame |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 10:32:01 PM |
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And Suddenly it's over. Bush certainly did better this time than last time, but that isn't saying much and I think Kerry still did a better job. At least Kerry obeys debate rules and didn't verbally accost Charlie. Abortion isn't in he constitution, that's exactly the point. It's open to interpretation and since it's not explicitly listed you could err on the side of it being a right. How Kerry described his feelings on abortion is pretty much word for word how I would describe mine. Obviously if you don't agree then you don't see the logic. There is nothing simple about it. Bush hinted at this same "flawed logic" when he said he would want to appoint a judge who would interperate the constitution without clouding that interpretation with their own personal beleifs. So throwing away those embryos is ok, using them to potentially help people is wrong? Kerry answered the woman's question, he said it wouldn't be all that different than any other medical procedure. |
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| Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 10/08/2004 @ 10:56:51 PM |
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| Matt - 1486 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 11:06:34 PM |
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1.) The online polls are even less credible for the debates, than for any other topic. Before the VP debate the DNC sent chain e-mails out telling its members to hit all the online polls hard. I can't find the link now, but one online poll had Edwards winning 99%-1%. 2.) Your 10:32 p.m. post might be the dumbest thing I've ever read. |
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| Jeremy - Corduroy pillows are making headlines 10/08/2004 @ 11:47:22 PM |
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What is dumb about it? You should actually give some justification for your argument. |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 11:54:58 PM |
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| I'm also pretty sure republicans have to same access to email and the internets as dems. |
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| Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 10/09/2004 @ 12:40:57 AM |
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President Bush himself would have qualified as a "small business owner" under the Republican definition, based on his 2001 federal income tax returns. He reported $84 of business income from his part ownership of a timber-growing enterprise. However, 99.99% of Bush's total income came from other sources that year. (Bush also qualified as a "small business owner" in 2000 based on $314 of "business income," but not in 2002 and 2003 when he reported his timber income as "royalties" on a different tax schedule.) [Factcheck.org; 9/23/04] ABC: Peter Jennings, 10.50: "Mr. Bush looked up and said I own a timber company? And we all sort of looked at one another and said who was right? Well it turns out Senator Kerry was right." |
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| icbeast - 2098 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 01:09:12 AM |
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Kerry explicitly said that abortion is in the constitution. Plus, the main point of the question the woman asked was about tax dollars and abortion, which Kerry never answered. I'm pretty sure that she already knew where Kerry stood on abortion, thus the question. Abortion isn't about logic, it's about the fact that once conception takes place that a new human life has been created and the terminating of that human life is the same as the terminating of any other human life, meaning it is murder and wrong. Bush voted to allow the use of those embryos that already existed, but he doesn't think that any further embryos should be created for this purpose. I don't even know what you're talking about here, "Kerry answered the woman's question, he said it wouldn't be all that different than any other medical procedure." I'm pretty sure no one cares about the Vice President candidates. Kerry and Bush are so different that people will vote based on them and not their running mates. What's you're point about the small business owner thing other than Bush didn't realize or remember that he made $80 from a timber growing enterprise? I knew the Twins were screwed when they lost game 2. They'll probably win easy tomorrow, then lose a close game 5. |
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| Matt - 1486 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 01:22:34 AM |
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The right to punch someone in the face isn't talked about in the Constitution. By your logic we should err on the side that it is a right. About Kerry's "personal belief" stance on Abortion - Alex sums up my thoughts quite well. Every issue is a belief issue. It's Congress' job to make the tough decicions and balance what they believe is right and what others may believe is right. I don't know what you're talking about with the "Flawed Logic" but, with the Judges, Bush is saying he doesn't want an Activist Judge who would "find" rights in the Constitution to comply with his/her beliefs. Stem Cell Research - Bush did not ban stem cell research, he only limited Federal funding to only the lines of stem cells that had already been destroyed. Any state or private firm that wants conduct research on new lines of cells is able to do so. Anybody that wants to donate money to these causes is able to do so. Also, while Stem Cells do have good potential to cure some diseases, they are not the cure all that many believe they are. Adult Stem Cells have shown great potential (perhaps even greater than embryonic cells) without some of the potential dangers associated with the embryonic cells, and without having to destroy life. For a good article on this, and the media's lack of focus on the Adult Cells, read The Wrong Cure |
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| Matt - 1486 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 01:25:35 AM |
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| I should learn to type faster. |
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| Matt - 1486 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 01:41:41 AM |
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Another article on stem cells from the same site, but this one is based on what was said at the debate. The Big Lie |
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| icbeast - The fastest way to a man's heart is with Chuck Norris's fist 10/09/2004 @ 11:17:06 AM |
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I'm changing my pick and going with Detroit over Atlanta. Too many injuries in the secondary for Atlanta. So I was looking at my fantasy team, and I was thinking about ditching McNair because he has sucked, then I remembered that despite the fact that we have 10 bench players we've only been alloted 2.35 moves per week and I'm ahead of that pace. Then I realized that Jeremy hadn't made any moves. I know he drafted pretty well, but I had to look at his team to see if his bench was really so good that he hadn't made a single roster move yet. I won't breakdown his roster for him because I'm not that nice, but suffice it to say that he is playing Lee Suggs this week. Oh crap, football has started. Since the Badgers don't play Michigan this year, go Minnesota! |
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| icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 10/09/2004 @ 01:16:39 PM |
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That was a nice play by Minnesota. 2nd and 14 from about the 30, fake the 8 yard curl and go up top for the TD. Great throw by the QB. Beltran hit a 2 run homer. I guess I don't really care who wins that series. |
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| icbeast - 2098 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 01:37:17 PM |
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| Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 10/09/2004 @ 02:15:30 PM |
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I put the timber thing because that was Bush's big burn/joke of the night..remember the "I own a timber company? that's news to me" 15 minute silence "anyone want some wood?" followed by a 20 minute silence One of the things about abortion that make it such an issue is that unlike other issues where you have people on both sides and some in the middle with lots of gray area in between there isn't that same middle ground with abortion...or at least it's different in the respect that both sides can't see that gray area. If you are against it you are against it...it's a simple issue to you. It's murder, cut and dry, and you can't see how others can't see that. And there's nothing wrong with feeling like that. If you are prochoice (there's no such thing as proabortion) you see the gray area. No one likes it, but you repect that people don't all agree so leave the moral decision up to those making the decision. If you think it's murder then don't have one, if you feel you have no oher choice and can live with the moral ramifications then that is your choice. There is nothing simple about it, I would choose Sarah over our unborn child 100 percent of the time...if Sarah's in danger I should have that choice. No one disagrees with the fact that partial birth abortions are horrible even in the rhelm of something that is already horrible. However to just blanketly not allow them could rob someone of the chance to save their wife. There is nothing at all simple about it to one side and the most simple thing in the world to the other. The Twins blew their chance in game 2 you don't get the Yankee's on the ropes like that often and you have to come through. I typed all this on my pda. |
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| icbeast - Talk to me Goose 10/09/2004 @ 02:36:13 PM |
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| Should it really be your choice to decide who lives and who dies? |
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| icbeast - From now on, that's how you drive 10/09/2004 @ 02:41:48 PM |
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I know that MLB players are very good and everything, but it bothers me when things like this happen: Houston is up 5 to 2 in the 6th, Braves still have a good chance to come back. Bases loaded two outs. A grounder to third. Anyone who has every played baseball knows that an infielder #1 priority on a ground ball is to GET YOUR BODY IN FRONT OF THE BALL AND KNOCK IT DOWN. Chipper is apparently too good for that, it's a hard hit ball, he goes for the right side glove save when he could have easily gotten in front of it, the ball takes a little higher hop then he expects and it turns into a two run double. If he would have knocked it down he may have been able to get the out at third or probably still would have had a play at first. Michigan won, that's no good. Minnesota just can't put them away. |
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| icbeast - Talk to me Goose 10/09/2004 @ 03:01:21 PM |
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| That punt coverage was terrible. There were four guys in one lane. |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 03:09:23 PM |
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I think it should be in those situations, or at least left up to the doctor, who probobly makes choices like that all the time. You don't think it should be a choice, that's the entire issue. Some people take that to the extreme that they don't go to doctors or take medicine because they think if it's God's will to help them he will, otherwise they were meant to die. So you could agrue the same thing that give doctors the right to help people gives me the right to help Sarah. |
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| Matt - 1486 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 03:18:10 PM |
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Except, Jeremy, the ban on partial birth abortions, does allow for them when "necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself". Of course, findings have found that the procedure is never medically necessary to protect the mother's health and the procedure itself poses risks to the mother. Nontheless, the exception is in there in case a situation does arise. Furthermore, "1) A defendant accused of an offense under this section may seek a hearing before the State Medical Board on whether the physician's conduct was necessary to save the life of the mother whose life was endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. `(2) The findings on that issue are admissible on that issue at the trial of the defendant. Upon a motion of the defendant, the court shall delay the beginning of the trial for not more than 30 days to permit such a hearing to take place.". These quotes come from the actual bill, `Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003' |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 03:18:28 PM |
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| And Suggs is my 3rd back, Holmes is on a bye, I've looked to make moves but there's been no one I needed. |
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| Jeremy - Corduroy pillows are making headlines 10/09/2004 @ 03:23:35 PM |
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| Moore time now. |
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| Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 10/09/2004 @ 03:43:13 PM |
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I never said the ban was a complete ban, I wasn't talking about the actual ban at all. All I meant was that something like that needs to be in a ban, which doesn't make it as cut and dry as people against abortion think it should be. The fact that those allowments are in the ban makes Bush's spoken position on it a bit wishy washy though don't they. The reality is I don't give a rip about abortion, I'm not going to be suckered in to voting for someone, or not voting, based on thier position on a subject no one will ever do anything about. Bush is pro life, has had 4 years and republican control of everything to do somthing about it for all the pro-life people that voted for him the first time and last I checked abortions were allowed, so why would anyone throw another vote away if that is all they are worried about? On the flip side abortion is already alowed, and no one would be able to change that, so pro-choice people shouldn't vote Kerry just for that either. It's a sucker vote on either side. |
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Jeremy: The NFL stuck it to the Vikes by "bending" the rule that teams need to be notified a full week in advance of any suspensions. It's Melwende Moore time...good thing he signed early. Before we get too excited about Carr getting his haircut let's take a moment to remember the criterian needed to get that haircut...it wasn't exactly Vick saying he wont trim the fro until they win the Super Bowl. They don't win three in a row even if Brock Lesnar has to finish the game at running back.Matt: Larry Ned for MVP!!!
Jon: That whole bye week threw me for a second. I counldn't think of anything to write about this. Then I remembered, you may have forgotten that Daunte Culpepper is continuing his campaign for MVP (Not MBL, by the way).
Sarah: Minnesota is coming off a bye week and yet somehow managed to lose their running back. Oh, that's right, he did drugs. Oh, and they lost their other running back for 2 more weeks. But, I've got nothin' but love for Bennett so I won't say anything mean. Houston has been hot, and Carr just got a haircut so they should be able to pull this one off. I could be wrong, because I'm wrong a lot. What if the Lions actually win the division? That would be awful. And shameful. And just plain humiliating. Twins 6 Astros 3