NFL 2004 Season Week 14 Picks

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/09/2004 @ 07:19:57 AM
y do jon and i have every pick the same? that doesn't happen.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/09/2004 @ 04:02:26 PM
I'll say it. The Lions haven't won in Green Bay since like 92.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/09/2004 @ 05:27:59 PM
So if you play the odds they are due for a win. :) They wont though.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 12/09/2004 @ 05:45:47 PM
What more can they do on defense Jon? There are more high profile picks on D than O. Our big free agent was on d. Every time a defensive player leaves they are snatched up and starting somewhere else. I think the problem is we suffer the growing pains (look how young our d is) then as soon as they develop they go else where. We are in good cap shape for years to come so we will be hanging on to whoever we want.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/09/2004 @ 08:00:18 PM
Speaking of cap shape I found an article discussing Green Bay's upcoming offseason. I find this hard to believe, even though it is largly the system. "The Packers will likely be able to keep just one of their starting guards. They must decide if Franks is worth a long-term deal, or if they can get both younger and better at the position. And if they reach a long-term deal with Davenport, that could mean the end is near for Ahman Green, who becomes an unrestricted free agent in the spring of 2006."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/09/2004 @ 08:40:50 PM
That's what happens to our running backs. They give the best years of their lives and we dump them like yesterday's trash. Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens, etc. We find someone better just before they get a big payoff.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/09/2004 @ 08:50:47 PM
Hilarious!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/09/2004 @ 08:57:30 PM
I didn't look it up but I dont think Edgar or Dorsey was a top 5-10 back, and they played when it was Favre's team.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/10/2004 @ 12:38:36 AM
Dorsey did rush for 1400+ yards in 1997, and he made the pro-bowl I think, so for a year he was probably at least a top 10 back. Edgar never really did anything special, and he never did anything at all once he left the Packers. Although he was a very good bad weather back because he never fumbled; I think he went 2 whole years at one point with the Packers without fumbling, but that only gets you so far. I think now he might actually be the running back coach. And if indeed Ahman Green's years are numbered, he's had a good run, and he has already paid off.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - many posts 12/10/2004 @ 03:14:35 AM
"What more can they do on defense Jon?" Answer: They could start to play well. I know they've TRIED to improve their defense through free agents and draft picks and whatnot. But it obviously hasn't worked. So the question is, will all of their efforts ever come to fruition? Will we actually see a good defense again in our lifetime? If so many are leaving, as you stated, could we have done more to keep them around? Will we do more in the future? Is there something fundamentally flawed about the way the team has been coached? Are we not finding the right kind of players? Are there such things as horse socks? Is anybody listening? I haven't done the hard research, but I can't seem to think of too many other teams in recent memory that have had this many consecutive years of bad defense. Even consistantly crappy teams seem to have a good defense almost by pure chance every now and then.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/10/2004 @ 04:03:57 PM
what i kind of meant was that the rb's work really hard, put in their best years, suffer an injury, and then their back ups take their place. The back ups are so good that when they come back from injuries, they've been replaced. Not so much as a good bye wave. Dorsey had some very good years with us. Yes, Edgar Bennett is a rb coach, he was in charge of player's something or other, but he got promoted, I say hello to him every game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 12/10/2004 @ 06:19:51 PM
what?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/10/2004 @ 11:54:09 PM
In years past we've had to decide to keep defense or offense and gone offense, the last 2 years and in the near future we will be in a position to sign whoever we want. I don't think it's a coaching problem per se, I think it's just the coaches aren't here long enough to make a difference. It's either here one year and didnt make us the best D ever so you're fired, or they go elsewhere. As young as the D is they need to play the same scheme for more than one season. If we can get a key vetran LB and a high FS in the draft I think we'll be ok for the near future. We ahve the players, they just make rookie mistakes because...well....they're rookies.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/11/2004 @ 03:33:20 PM
So, I was watching some golf and a guy missed a fairly makeable putt and a fan cheered "Yes, yes!". Then the golfer turned toward the fans and gave a dirty look and acted all disgusted and offended. The whole incident made me think of "The Brawl" and the disparities between normally acceptable behavior for fans at different sporting events. Just imagine a bunch of screaming, obscenity yelling hecklers surrounding the 18th green at a golf tournament. I have no real point, it's just something interesting to ponder.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/11/2004 @ 03:35:41 PM
I was 4 points away from winning a prize last week for my Best Buy football team. I finished 96th. I had Delhomme and he only managed 1 TD while the likes of Bledsoe had 4 and even Feely had 3. So close.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/11/2004 @ 05:08:04 PM
that's weird about the golfers, especially because golf fans usually cheer for everyone, not just their favorites. And now the picks: Atlanta, Buffalo, Dallas, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Indianapolis, Minnesota, New England, Denver, New York Jets, St. Louis, Green Bay, Arizona, San Diego, Philadelphia, Kansas City Peyton Manning finally has an off day and only throws 1 td, but the Colts sneak out of Houston in a close surprise. My UPSET PICK OF THE WEEK: The Jets of Pittsburgh. Pennington is back and Curtis Martin is still good. Ben Roth fails to throw a td in yet another game and Pittsburgh can't decide whether to run Deuce or Jerome, and they can't get their running game going. Anyway, I'm picking The Jets to upset the Steelers in Pittsburgh.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 12/11/2004 @ 07:31:58 PM
I picked the Jets 2 days ago.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/11/2004 @ 10:04:42 PM
I picked them on Tuesday.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/12/2004 @ 01:44:03 AM
The Brewers traded Kolb for a young pitcher and a player to be named from the Braves. I like it. Kolb was good, but almost lucky good. He never got strike outs. He's decent but not that great, so I think the Brewers could afford to trade him for a younger pitcher. They still need to get some bats though.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 04:37:55 AM
And since the Brewers only win about 5 games per year, they don't really need a closer.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 10:50:56 AM
Matt Hasslebeck is one bald ass dude. Not that it's news to anyone....but damn		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/12/2004 @ 11:27:15 AM
Don't forget to factor the weather into your fantasy lineups this week!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 12:44:57 PM
Dan Kolb set a franchise record for saves last year. Also, before the all-star Break, he allowed exactly 0 extra base hits. That's dominance. He's a ground ball pitcher, and that is his strength.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 01:26:39 PM
I don't know if they are pointing it out on TV but the vikings are trying a new "seconary free" defense today.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/12/2004 @ 01:52:52 PM
the refs are letting the DB's play today apparently		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/12/2004 @ 01:55:38 PM
Germ why aren't u online?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/12/2004 @ 02:37:16 PM
Troy Brown for MVP? 3 int's on the year, tied for #1 on the team. Do I need to remind anyone that he's a wr?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/12/2004 @ 02:41:21 PM
man, you know things are going bad for seattle when something like that happens, and he doesn't even argue it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 02:54:05 PM
of all the stuff the refs have been letting go all game, they call something like that pass interference. It didn't look that bad compared to most of the stuff they've let go in this game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 02:55:15 PM
never mind, thank you randy		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/12/2004 @ 03:11:34 PM
so that game was over right?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 03:12:36 PM
i think so, it was a crazy ending		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 03:12:58 PM
Worst play call ever. Why would u do that? Did anyone else notice that Moss seemed to still be smiling after that play? If that was me I be super-pissed.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 03:16:45 PM
No one slits their own wrists quite like the Vikings. We didn't even WANT to score right then so what was the wr option??!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 03:34:36 PM
that was a good stand, despite the awful calls by the stupid refs.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 03:34:40 PM
yeah, the vikings suck. Do you think Tice will be back next season?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/12/2004 @ 03:45:34 PM
maybe it was in lenon's elbow long enough that it was ok that it hit the ground		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/12/2004 @ 03:50:44 PM
what's his record? i don't they seem to collapse.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 04:00:50 PM
Favre looks cute with his hair like that		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 04:15:12 PM
The Vikings chose to lose that game and as far as I'm concerned can watch from home in January. This late game looks promising but you can count on the Lions for anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 04:31:38 PM
some of these penalties being called on the packers are crap. How does driver get called for off pi when he is being dragged to the ground when the ball got to him?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 04:39:10 PM
someone needs to tell nick barnett to stop dancing. I mean, he's having a pretty good game, but it's hard to recover as a team on defense when you've got one player celebrating and putting on a show after every play.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	sarah - 4605 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 04:48:15 PM
yea no crap. i don't like this game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 12/12/2004 @ 04:49:27 PM
worst first half, ever		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 12/12/2004 @ 04:55:32 PM
I think it would be best if the Eagles, Falcons, and then four AFC teams filled the NFC playoff spots.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/12/2004 @ 04:58:13 PM
not only was it bad but it was boring		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 12/12/2004 @ 05:00:33 PM
I'll agree with that Alex.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/12/2004 @ 05:28:55 PM
phantom holding call - 79 yard touchdown called back		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 05:32:24 PM
i don't ever want to hear anything about the "brett favre rule" after a play that is blown dead and then the defender drives the qb to the ground 4 seconds after the whistle with no call.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 12/12/2004 @ 05:33:14 PM
What's the record for most combined penalties in a game?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 05:37:51 PM
The Brett Favre rule kept another drive going earlier.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 05:40:59 PM
too bad green didnt get that td, but maybe that long drive kind of helped the pack, showing them that they can do it! go pack go! i think s. rogers should've been ejected for hitting favre after the whistle was blown, totally unnecessary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/12/2004 @ 05:48:03 PM
only an angry viking fan would say that throwing a flag when a QB gets driven to the ground after a throw is special treatment. But apparently it's because the Packers get special treatment from the Packers every game, including this one...oh wait		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 05:51:12 PM
S. Rogers should be fined. The whistle was blown, the play was dead, you don't follow through, stupid jerk.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 06:59:03 PM
Watch a Viking, Eagle, or Jag game and tell me how many roughing the passer calls you see. He gets more than anyone, so it's a fair thing to poke fun at. PS You should give yourself some special treatment once in a while. It helps alot.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Bretx0r uses Firefox (Guest) 12/12/2004 @ 07:42:23 PM
The only reason Favre gets more roughing the passer calls is that defenders can actually take him down compared to Dante.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 08:25:43 PM
but that's not the point. Dante not getting the calls does not automatically mean that Favre is getting preferential treatment, like some people seem to think.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Cory - 44 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 09:24:24 PM
Who is Dante?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 09:28:33 PM
Hall- he returns punts for KC and never gets roughing the passer calls in his favor.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Cory 12/12/2004 @ 09:30:52 PM
haha oh yes my bad... slipped my mind for a second there I thought they were talking about Daunte Culpepper... the Quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 09:37:57 PM
I thought Moss was the new QB?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Cory 12/12/2004 @ 09:38:43 PM
Only when the game is on the line.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Cory - 44 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 09:39:27 PM
Thats when you go to the clutch performer.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 09:39:35 PM
Only with the season on the line.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 12/12/2004 @ 09:40:21 PM
Jinx		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Cory 12/12/2004 @ 09:44:19 PM
Oh, you mean the season isn't over yet?... well I'm sure we'll take care of that by next week. I heard we're bringing back Brock Lesnar to start at QB.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 12/12/2004 @ 10:09:13 PM
I think the Jags will take the Pack. Unfortunately the Lions will probobly beat the Vikings. We need a new safety and a couple linebackers, although our linebackers showed flashes of being good, all the shortcomings are mental things from young players. It doesn't help that injeries have forced us to start like 8 different guys there and move them to a new position like every game. Sign a stud linebacker to play with EJ and Claibourne and a saftey to replace Russell and a big tub of goo to play the run.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/12/2004 @ 11:30:40 PM
Every team has had lots of injuries by now, that's no excuse. The Panthers have lost like 14 guys for the season and they've won their last 5 games. I don't think that last Eagles interception was a catch. He didn't have possession until he was out of bounds.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/13/2004 @ 12:11:50 AM
patriots.....troy brown......wr playing db.......leads team in int's............i like stuff		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/13/2004 @ 07:17:29 AM
All I meant is it's hard to have a young defense swap positions every game because of injuries. Realisticly though the Packers and Vikings are in. they would both pretty much have to go 0-3 to not make it (which obviously can't happen) and then have the 5-8 teams go 3-0.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 12/13/2004 @ 08:13:58 AM
Koskie is gone		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/13/2004 @ 08:39:50 AM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo =`(		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 12/13/2004 @ 05:48:03 PM
The Brewers traded Podsednik, Vizcaino (don't care if that's how you spell it cause he's gone), and player to be named to the White Sox for Carlos Lee. I don't have delusional hopes of a magical turnaround next season, but I like the moves they are making. They are selling high, which is crucial when you are a small budget team. Podsednik can steal bases, but really that's it. He hit .244 last year, not very good for a leadoff man. His defense has always been a weakness as well. With Lee they get a right-handed hitter who can hit for average and power. Him in the lineup should give Jenkins, who reeked it up last year, more good pitches to hit as well. The Brewers are doing it right, making small improvements instead of just signing a big name free agent.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/13/2004 @ 06:49:26 PM
EA Games has signed an exclusive contract with the NFL. They are the only company that will be allowed to use names/teams. Sega (who Makes the ESPN 2KX line) thought they had them with the $20 games, then EA power tripped them. That's unfortunate. ESPN 2K5 is a great game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 12/13/2004 @ 06:56:45 PM
The Vikings win the division if they win out, so I guess they still control their own destiny, not that that means anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 12/13/2004 @ 06:57:31 PM
I think it was a good move for the Brewers as well. Lee has been pretty solid the last few years, with last year being his best yet. While he'll probably slip a little from that, he should be good for about .290/.340/.500 with around 30 HRs. While Podsednik will probably bounce back a little from last year, I don't see him putting up 2003 like numbers again. The best thing about this trade though, depending on what the White Sox do with the money saved by trading Lee, is that they seem to have hurt their team with this trade, which is good for the Twins.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 12/13/2004 @ 08:45:54 PM
Podsednik.......rule of thumb for hitting: if it takes a player until he's 27+ to grasp hitting, his prime is going to be very short. Podsednik was a rookie when he was 27 years old, and as much speed as he has, he struck out way too much. He also is a poor fielder. In my opinion, he's barely adequate as a fielder. I like him though, and I'll be sad to see him go, but I know that the Brewers can do better, and they will.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/13/2004 @ 10:21:43 PM
Carl could be in good shape if he played Drew Bennett the last couple weeks.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/13/2004 @ 10:46:03 PM
Of course by good shape I mean making a run at not-worst-place. DING!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/13/2004 @ 11:41:50 PM
Brett Favre rule? after that roughing the passer call? please. The BF rule is officially over. Any more reference to it will be officially lame.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/13/2004 @ 11:48:10 PM
No one ever claimed no other QB's ever get the call. Favre is the only one ive seen get 3 in one game and get one while still holding the ball. He gets a ton of them, I've even heard announcers refer to it as the Brett Favre rule. Deal with it missy.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 12/13/2004 @ 11:50:51 PM
10-6, 126-82		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/14/2004 @ 12:15:10 AM
You've only heard me tell you that announcers have called it that, so YOU deal with it missy.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 12/14/2004 @ 12:23:23 AM
But that call wasn't even close, it was more of a light bumping into then a hit. I have a picture of redskins qb patrick ramsey from a couple years ago getting a roughing the passer call with the ball in his hand, against the packers no less.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 12/14/2004 @ 12:31:29 AM
From a shot to the head maybe. This was one they just determined it was a too rough of a tackle to make Brett suffer.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/14/2004 @ 12:42:52 AM
here's the picture, but I'm sure there'll be some reason why favre's was worse. Also, why does him getting a lot of those calls make it preferential? If Favre is getting hit hard, he should be getting those calls. Now I'm sure there are many times when other qb's could get calls like that, but that doesn't say anything about Favre. Get mad that they don't call it enough on other players, not because they call it right too little for certain players. Favre did indeed receive 3 roughing the passer calls in one game, it was against the vikings in nov of 2002. But here's an interesting stat. in that very same week, Michael vick and Rodney peete both benefitted from 2 roughing the passer pentalties in one game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/14/2004 @ 07:18:17 AM
If he gets a bigger share of them how is it not preferential treatment?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 12/14/2004 @ 11:53:05 AM
I could name about 100 reasons why that is an incorrect assumption. First of all, there is not enough data to assume the Favre actually gets roughing the passer calls any more than other qbs. Also, statistics do not show how many qb hits merrit a roughing the passer call. Again, if the refs are calling it right for only a few players and wrong for everyone else, the problem isn't that they are calling right for the certain players, it's that they are calling wrong for everyone else. This isn't like basketball when Michael Jordan would never get called for a foul and would draw a foul every time he drove the lane. I'd say most of the rtp calls on Favre may be legit, and most rtp calls on most qbs are ligit, with exceptions of course. (Viking fans might say that none of Favre's are legit, but that's ok.) A 3 week sample from 2002 averaged 1 roughing the passer call for every 143 pass plays. Favre has thrown the ball 440 times this season. How many roughing the passer penalties has Favred received this season? 3? or 2? if it's 3 then it's 1 for every 147 attempts. Now that's not a purely random sample, so things may have changed since 2 years ago, but if anything, I'm guessing rtp is called more now than it was then. man, I wish I could find data on this, but I don't think stats are kept on individual penalties. In conclusion, unless you can actually come up with stats that says that the green bay packers are an outlier when it comes to receiving roughing the passer calls, the claim that Brett Favre is treated better than other qbs is not supportable.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 12/14/2004 @ 05:47:56 PM
But factor in the fact that unless the pocket tottally collapses Favre backpedels out or no one gets near him and takes less hits period and those numbers are meaningless. Again wheter it's calling it right for some guys and wrong for others or calling it fairly for most but giving a select few a higher percentage that discrepency is still there, so I guess I don't get what you are trying to argue. If Packer fans can say the Vikings choke every year with no evidence to support that then non Packer fans can call it the Brett Favre Rule.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/14/2004 @ 07:26:23 PM
They don't choke every year. Some years they're bad all season.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/14/2004 @ 07:48:53 PM
So the Packers have either sucked or choked for the last handful of seasons too?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 12/14/2004 @ 07:49:38 PM
and get on AIM		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 12/14/2004 @ 08:12:32 PM
but the packers haven't had a losing season since the pre-Favre era		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/14/2004 @ 10:10:41 PM
yes the packers have. and i'm on aim, and have been for like an hour,..., oh bastards playing sc without me.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/15/2004 @ 11:49:32 AM
name one losing season since Favre has been QB. They've had one 8-8 season, and that's not a losing season.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/15/2004 @ 02:55:51 PM
Every season's a losing season if you don't win the Super Bowl, dontcha know? ;)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Bretx0r uses Firefox (Guest) 12/15/2004 @ 09:03:26 PM
icbizzle needs to get his foshizzle on AIMshizzle if he wants to play some starcrizzle.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.