NFL 2004 Season Week 13 Picks

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/01/2004 @ 03:02:35 PM
I'll save everyone the trouble before anything even gets said....."4th and 26". There, no need to talk about anymore (yeah right)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/01/2004 @ 08:20:43 PM
They just showed the play on tv and it got a little dusty in here. stupid freddie mitchell		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/01/2004 @ 08:21:14 PM
Did Matt just say bitch?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 12/01/2004 @ 09:20:31 PM
I did.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/01/2004 @ 11:41:36 PM
this is a tad late, but "random number generator" jokes never get old.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/01/2004 @ 11:43:36 PM
and yes, we would have won the Super Bowl if it wasn't for that one play, but ironically enough, there were many other small plays that would have made that play not even have occurred.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/02/2004 @ 07:14:13 AM
OMG. It's OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! and 4th and 26 all wrapped in one package. What does it all mean???		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/02/2004 @ 01:29:45 PM
This is how close the Packers and Eagles really were last year. The Eagles beat the Packers twice by a total of 6 points. The Total offensive yards totals favored Green Bay 690 to 645, and time of possession was only 3 minutes different in favor of Green Bay. Turnovers were 4-1 in favor of Philly, but one of the green bay turnovers was on the last play of the game, so really, it's more like 3-1, either way it's pretty close. McNabb averaged 223 yards per game while favre only averaged 144 yards per game, but Ahman Green averaged 174 yards on 6.4 yards per carry. Both teams punted 14 times each game. Green Bays defense outsacked the Eagles 10-5. Philly won both games last year, there is nothing taken away from that, but these were two very evenly matched teams then; one play in both games could have completely changed the outlook of the entire season for both teams. (and yes, the packers would have gone to super bowl and won=) ). These are not the same teams that met last year, however, mainly because Philly did some adjusting in the offseason. TO will be tough to handle, no doubt, and their defense could give the packers some trouble (15th in the league in yards but first in the league in points against and turnover ratio) Green Bay, however, has a few things to brag about too. They are 3rd in the league in total offense (ahead of the Vikings;)), a 4-1 road record, and probably some other good things. Ok, so maybe Philly has a few things in their favor, but really, this is a toss up in my head. I could see this being the same type of game as last year. I am a tad worried about this game, but for some reason the Texans game 2 weeks ago was the most worried I've been about a game all season.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/02/2004 @ 01:30:22 PM
when I said 6 points I meant 3 points in each game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 12/02/2004 @ 06:09:18 PM
The point is that if you can claim something absurd like a team that backed into the playoffs would have won the NFC championship and the Super Bowl had it not been for one play then I think it is perfectly fair to say Green Bay would have lost had the refs not taken a td off the board with like under 2 mins to go in the Skins game and given you the ball on that kick off in the Vikes game, which you seem to think is unfair. And as long as we're having one play redo's the Cardinals bs call going our way means you dont go. The Tillman INT in Chicago getting caught by Moss means you don't go. There are many games that come down to one play. At least you had a chance to redeem the 4th and 26. One sack (and there were many hands on McNabb along the drive) and it's over. You had many many chances to redeem that. We had ref arms go out, ref arms go up, season over.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 12/02/2004 @ 06:10:12 PM
By the way one of those Eagle wins was in Green Bay in what was "Green Bay" weather.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/02/2004 @ 06:44:08 PM
What happened last year hardly matters in the NFL. It should be a good game. The Packers have won their last two games without Green, thanks to the offensive line. The defense gives up yards, but has made big plays. Farve has been consistent, Walker is having a breakout year, and Driver has played well of late. On the other hand, the Eagles have won without Westbrook and now he's back. They've also won their last 2 games without TO doing much (although, at least for the short time I was watching, that was mostly do to McNabb not playing well). Their defense is also solid. Probably another close finish.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/02/2004 @ 10:59:35 PM
Who says we're having one play redo's? apparently you missed point. I don't remember really making much of claim other than jokingly saying the Packers would have gone on to win, that's kinda what the ":)" was for. All I was pointing out was that the 2 teams were very evenly matched last year. But apparently everything we say now from both sides is taken differently, or something like that. Oh yeah, and the Vikings always have it worse than the Packers, I forgot about that. I never actually said that one specific play would have changed things. there were many times during the playoff game where decisions to go or not to go for it on fourth down cost the packers, I think 3 times in all (and that doesn't even include the 4th and 26 play). The Packers lost that game, they didn't deserve to win. But seeing as how they didn't deserve it and still almost won it (notice i'm not blaming anyone but the packers) says to me that they could have gone on to beat Carolina the next week, which would have brought them to the Super Bowl. That's how much confidence I had in that team. If they would have won that game, they would have won 6 in a row going in to the conference championship game. They were hot. Now trust me, none of this actually matters because they lost that game, so it's almost pointless even to bring it up. But I did anyway, so cue the additional useless comments on this topic.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 12/02/2004 @ 11:08:08 PM
The thing is when you look at things like "they were hot" your looking at "in the stars" stats, and it wasn't "in the stars" for anyone like it was for Carolina. Plus the Pats would have rocked you like Piston Honda.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - 6225 Posts 12/02/2004 @ 11:15:07 PM
the thing also is, no matter how much you or I want to admit it, this is all the same speculation about the same thing in the opposite way. If the "any given sunday" thing is true, than you can't say the Packers would have lost any more than I can say they would have won, because they didn't play. But saying they were hot isn't that much of an "in the stars" stats (i've never heard that term). I mean, it doesn't mean much, but momentum helps.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 12/02/2004 @ 11:26:55 PM
No I cant say they would lose for sure, I didn't say they would lose (other than the Piston Honda comment), but every packer fan I heard talking about last season made it sound like playing the championship game and the super bowl was a formality if they didnt lose to the eagles.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/03/2004 @ 02:00:25 AM
ic, we are on the same page then. I didn't see it as a formality, but I was confident in their ability to win after that. With that said, the Packers are going to dominate.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/03/2004 @ 02:01:00 AM
eeear(pirate thing) I have no life.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/03/2004 @ 04:57:43 PM
The Philadelphia sports writer isn't too confident about the Eagles' ability. That's cool.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/03/2004 @ 05:03:40 PM
New Orleans, Houston, Minnesota, New England, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Indianapolis, Baltimore, St. Louis, Miami, San Diego, Kansas City, Green Bay, New York Giants, Pittsburgh, Seattle.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 12/03/2004 @ 09:31:16 PM
Is it common for cabinet members to evacuate a staff like rats from a sinking ship between terms?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 12/03/2004 @ 09:47:02 PM
Actually, it is.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 12/03/2004 @ 10:06:37 PM
Clinton made quite a few changes during his two terms as well. Clinton's Cabinet Clinton replaced 7 of 14 in the two months after his re-election, Bush is 8 of 15 right now (The relativly new Dept. of Homeland Security being difference).		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 12/03/2004 @ 10:08:37 PM
being the difference Sorry		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/03/2004 @ 10:18:59 PM
I think it is pretty common too. and matt, are you going to do anything about that "relativly" mistake. I mean, you corrected one mistake, but not the other.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 12/03/2004 @ 10:39:21 PM
In a homage to Jeremy, I'll leave that one as is.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 12/03/2004 @ 11:29:31 PM
Clinton replaced or they left?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 12/03/2004 @ 11:50:29 PM
I'm not sure on whether they left or were forced out. I suspect though that on most occasions when the President wants to replace someone, the two parties come to an "agreement" where the person leaves due to whatever reason so that all sides involved can save a little face.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Bretx0r uses Firefox (Guest) 12/04/2004 @ 02:26:58 AM
The blog this week wouldn't be the same without HL2 being mentioned, so now it is complete. HL2DM is the best next to CS, and Jeremy - I found out how to switch teams, so we could play on just about any server and just switch to the same team. You going to be around at all Saturday Alex? If so, get on AIM or I'll give you a call, I'm trying to round up some peeps to play HL2 deathmatch on the coyote server in the afternoon. (provided the admin turned FF off like I requested)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 12/04/2004 @ 03:13:45 AM
In case any of you are wondering ESPN Classic is doing 11 hours of Brett Favre tomorrow. Packer Yearbooks from 92 on, a special thing on him, and a half hour for the superbowl you didn't choke in. I can't wait until they have 5 hours of Daunte next week. ;)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/04/2004 @ 12:08:20 PM
This is so freakin' awesome. I don't know how I am going to get anything done this afternoon.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/04/2004 @ 01:21:04 PM
I just spent almost two hours cleaning my computer. Got rid of about 12 processes. Stupid new printer and graphics card. I should see if hl2 runs better now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/04/2004 @ 01:39:32 PM
Jeremy is a jerk		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/04/2004 @ 03:56:09 PM
Mckenzie looks so cute and young with short dreadlocks. :) i know he screwed us over this year, but in his rookie year he was so innocent. :)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/04/2004 @ 07:00:27 PM
Yes, I'm such a jerk that I let her watch 5 hours of Brett Favre.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 12/04/2004 @ 08:37:03 PM
So normally you tell her what to watch?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/04/2004 @ 11:11:15 PM
No, but it was my TV.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 12/04/2004 @ 11:47:14 PM
yeah, and Nathan Poole made a wonderful catch to win a game last year. Who did they play again? Oh yeah		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 12/05/2004 @ 12:05:22 AM
Any one who orders this should be forced to tour a third world country the next day.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 12:11:07 AM
The Poole "catch" was out of our control, so it's different.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 12:59:17 AM
Well, they do get a pretty big diamond for their money (plus the martini itself and the novelty factor). I don't see anything wrong with buying something expensive if you have the money to do it. By the way, what country did you tour after you bought Sarah's diamond?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 09:37:23 AM
why was it out of your control? were there robots on the field for that play?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 10:16:43 AM
He chucked the ball up and a ref made a non reviewable non overturnable call, what else could we do?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 12/05/2004 @ 10:19:06 AM
An engagement ring and a 10 thousand dollar martini are two different things. Obviously they would be buying it for the diamond. I just thought that's the dumbest packaging idea ever.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/05/2004 @ 12:50:35 PM
My DB returned a kickoff 104 yards for a TD!!!!! And I have Buffalo's defense so I score it home twice!!!! He's already got 141 yards total in the first quarter!!!! I fail to see the problem with a diamond martini. A diamond margarita probably wouldn't work, but a diamond martini sounds cool.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 01:11:04 PM
diamond beer? how about that		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 12/05/2004 @ 01:27:53 PM
That was a close call. I think they got it right though. His second foot was sooooooooo close to being out. Evans is taking over in Buffalo. w00t!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/05/2004 @ 02:42:13 PM
Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears Da Bears		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/05/2004 @ 02:53:51 PM
Why didn't I start New England's Defense? Run back the kickoff, and returned a fumble or int for a td. dang.... Oh and how about the tampa bay team? freakin' sweet! Go Tampa!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 03:09:40 PM
oooo, how pissed are viking fans? :)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 03:12:45 PM
man, it seems that every time I pick the vikings they lose. Oh well, i'll take it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/05/2004 @ 03:16:05 PM
Ok, here's where the Packers tell the rest of the League, especially Viking fans, that they are a dominant force in the league.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/05/2004 @ 03:27:00 PM
or maybe not....		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/05/2004 @ 03:31:23 PM
yea bitches		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 03:32:57 PM
nevermind		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 03:33:28 PM
so much for that		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/05/2004 @ 03:36:33 PM
159 return yards, a return TD, an INT TD, 1 sack, 2 FR, and 5 INTs. Pretty good game for Buffalos D. Looks like I'm going to need every point of it to stay ahead of Jeremy (too bad you didn't have Johnson in Moss, well for you anyway).		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 03:41:12 PM
you know what I love about football. Commercial, 11 second kickoff play, commercial.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 12/05/2004 @ 03:57:50 PM
11 seconds?? Only if its returned for a TD.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/05/2004 @ 04:02:15 PM
where was the red flag???????????????????		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 12/05/2004 @ 04:02:31 PM
Oh yah, Farve is setting them up for the fake interception play later on. They should have challenged it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:12:32 PM
Well, this isn't all bad. Gut-check time. Let's see if they can pull it together and make a comeback. If not, well the Vikings lost anyway so it's not that big of a deal. Favre needs to be the man right about....now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/05/2004 @ 04:12:47 PM
that kickoff play lasted 10 seconds.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/05/2004 @ 04:15:16 PM
It's not the d's fault.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 12/05/2004 @ 04:23:11 PM
What's not the D's fault?? They're being TOwned right now. That Freddie Mitchell piece was quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen, sober and otherwise.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:23:59 PM
how about the penalties start getting more balanced.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:25:34 PM
how about the defense start being a little less disciplined.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:25:56 PM
this sux		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:26:45 PM
I meant, if Favre wasn't sucking, the score wouldn't be so lopsided.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:29:16 PM
true, but the eagles just marched 95+ yards and players are wide open on almost every play it seems. This is a good offense that the eagle have, no doubt. But I didn't realize how bad the packer defense could be.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:30:46 PM
And the special kool-aid keg is offically tapped out. The Eagles are going to the Super Bowl, I think that deep down we all know that. The Packers defense just isn't good enough to win if the offense has an off game, the Falcons just got shutout, the Vikings just lost to the Bears, the NFC West looks like a bunch of Div 1-AA teams, the Eagles really have no excuse to not make it to the Super Bowl this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:33:37 PM
no more flags, this is bs. at least all those other teams lost today, but i really don't want the eagles to go to the super bowl.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:33:38 PM
they are throwing flags on everything imaginable.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:38:15 PM
This is worse than the titan game yes? I think so. I may have to force myself to fall asleep or something. I wish I had some alcohol in the house, but I broke the blender last week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/05/2004 @ 04:47:31 PM
well, at least the Vikings suck also.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/05/2004 @ 04:47:44 PM
well this is helping out my fantasy team :(		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:51:00 PM
This is not worse than the Titans. That was on Monday night at home, to drop them to 1-4. Plus Tennessee isn't that good. This is a serious whooping, but not totally unexpected (I thought they would at least score a little, but I figured the D was in trouble) by a good team. What does a blender have to do with alcohol? It's not 9 yet, go the gas station and get yourself a 40 of Old English.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/05/2004 @ 04:52:41 PM
and miss some of this game? yea right. Remember that orange stuff we had at bret and stephanie's? we have some of that but that's it and i broke the blender. oh well, alcohol is not the answer to my problems, but maybe my mom has some brandy....		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/05/2004 @ 04:53:44 PM
You played Tiki against Washington over Westbrook????!!! No wonder I'm winning, for the moment anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/05/2004 @ 04:55:19 PM
I hope kearse stays down		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:55:50 PM
You could go at halftime. But you're right, alcohol is not the answer to your problems. It won't make the Packers play better.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:56:57 PM
now walker is down son of a bitch. scott didn't start westbrook? thats where i'm getting all of my points. ha		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 04:57:18 PM
Walker just wants to sit out the second half, so he's pretending to be hurt.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 12/05/2004 @ 04:58:18 PM
The Vikes looked completely inept today, the Packers haven't had the ball long enough to look inept. I agree that the Eagles have no excuse this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 05:00:58 PM
This is the worst trainwreck ever		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 05:01:33 PM
I had that thought too but he's back in		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/05/2004 @ 05:03:18 PM
The new order of teams I hate: Cowboys, Broncos, Eagles, 49ers, Falcons, Vikings		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 12/05/2004 @ 05:12:01 PM
Frank Reich, where are you? well, at least wins and losses don't matter on ineptness.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 05:17:44 PM
I'm guessin he's retired. You think they'll put in Nall?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 12/05/2004 @ 05:23:29 PM
Using "Sarah Logic", here is a list of Countries I dislike: Great Britan, Spain, Japan, Germany, Italy, N. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and of course France.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 05:29:40 PM
Oh no! Poor Na'il Diggs!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/05/2004 @ 05:30:40 PM
Your not using my logic at all, we kicked Great Britain's ass.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 06:01:36 PM
You know it's bad when you can't even stop Dorsey Levens		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/05/2004 @ 06:07:20 PM
Why u gotta hate?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 06:08:51 PM
Favre's streak is over. I might move the eagles above the broncos		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 06:32:13 PM
It's a comeback!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 06:34:16 PM
I almost believe that		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Bretx0r uses Firefox (Guest) 12/05/2004 @ 08:36:26 PM
That was a lame attempt at football by the Packers today. Why did the Packers even play past the first half? Oh that's right, they didn't even play the entire game!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 12/05/2004 @ 10:10:12 PM
There are 7 quarterbacks on pace for 4000 yards this season. Last year only 2 QBs got there. 2002 there were 4, and 2001 there were 2. There are 6 qbs on pace for 30 touchdown passes this year. 2003 had 1, 2002 didn't have any, and 2001 had only 3. There are 10 qbs with comp percentages over 64%. in 2003 there were 3, 2002 had 4, and 2001 had 3. I'm not saying that there aren't trends in football that fluxuate, but this seems over the top to me. I made a comment to Jon today that anyone can play qb in this league today, or something like that. Now that's an absurd comment, and I'm not trying to take anything away from Culpepper or Manning (or Drew Brees), or anyone that's doing good. But does anyone think that the NFL's rule changes that give receivers so much of a cushion on every play are a little bit overdone? I mean, the top 10 passing teams are averaging more than 260 yards per game in 2004. In 2003 the top 10 passing teams averaged 234 yards per game. It almost seems less exciting to me. 8 times a qb has thrown 5 touchdowns in a game this year. (2 of them happened to come against the Packers, but still). This sort of thing happens once a year at most. I'm not sure if this is good for the game or not. It seems like the NFL is too concerned with offense and not concerned enough with defense. Is Manning that good? Is Culpepper that good? Maybe they are. Maybe this is just like baseball where there will be spike in touchdown passes for a while and then things will level off a little bit. Or maybe things are getting out of control and only reversing some of the rule changes will fix things. Any thoughts? disclaimer: this isn't from a bitter fan who just watched his team get shalacked, it's just an obervation.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 10:11:49 PM
Sarah is hanging in our fantasy league in meaningless Walker points alone. I think Moss has officially cost me more points than he's made me. He's sitting from now until he has a huge game. Which will be as soon as I sit him so that's good anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 12/05/2004 @ 10:24:05 PM
It's a combo of the rule enforcement and the late 90's QB's peaking.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/05/2004 @ 11:28:23 PM
I think the rule changes have some effect, but not much. There's some really good receivers and some really good qbs right now, not to mention offensive lines. And no not just anyone can put up big numbers. Ask the Bears, or the Lions, or the Cardinals. Most people would rather watch a 35-34 game than a 9-6 field goal kicking contest. I think as athelets become stronger, faster, and smarter the offense gains more than the defense does. Plus, offensive stars probably get paid more than defensive stars, so a lot of the elite atletes probably chose offensive positions. It's bound to happen in the not-greatest game in the world in which basically every player is a one or maybe two position specialist. That's why basketball is better, players have to play both defense and offense. And baseball too I guess. And pretty much every other sport.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 12/06/2004 @ 12:11:53 AM
Wow, two different mis-spellings of a word (athletes) in one post. What's surprising though is that the offender was icbeast, instead of a certain Page 3 staffer who I've picked on enough this thread.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 12/06/2004 @ 07:11:26 AM
It's true people would rather watch a higher scoring game. However this isn't the Arena league either. Touchdowns still need to remain at least an accomplishment.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/06/2004 @ 07:13:38 AM
It's pretty easy to not misspell anything when you never post anything. Also the phrase "Sarah Logic" is an oxymoron. .....and Jon sucks.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/06/2004 @ 07:47:53 AM
=...........( I've gots me logic good. so much hate. jon and matt- i may or may not eat lunch with u today. i misspelled you're in a previous post, but i think i was just typing too fast.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/06/2004 @ 08:41:46 AM
If Jason Witten can get me 3 points, I will have scored 100+ on all 3 of my yahoo public league teams. I thought you were having a better week in our league Jeremy, but I guess not. I think I widened my lead and I have two players left.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/06/2004 @ 08:17:06 PM
Did anyone else see what Jerry Rice just got away with?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/06/2004 @ 08:40:35 PM
was it that bad, or was it pretty consistant with how the refs have called plays on d-backs this year?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 12/06/2004 @ 08:45:30 PM
Rice pretty much mauled the guy in the endzone, broke away, caught the TD. Flag came in, everyone assumed offensive PI. They called Defensive PI. Sadly, however, not terribly inconsistant with what has been going on this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 12/06/2004 @ 08:59:12 PM
i'm not sure I would describe it as a mauling, but it looked questionable Brett Favre		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/06/2004 @ 09:10:10 PM
Anyone wanna bet that missed 2 pointer haunts them later?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 12/06/2004 @ 09:12:06 PM
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	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/06/2004 @ 09:18:24 PM
I'd say 4 minutes instead of 2, depending on the situation. If you need two points to tie or make it a 3 or 7 point lead or 3 point deficit with under 4 minutes, I think you'll probably want to go for it. Not always though, depending on weather, and timeouts, and has it been a defensive struggle or offensive shootout. Second quarter though, no.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 12/06/2004 @ 09:20:47 PM
I'd say all you hosers should get on AIM once in a while.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/06/2004 @ 11:01:52 PM
who would have thought that this would even be a game, let alone an awesome game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - 6225 Posts 12/06/2004 @ 11:09:59 PM
go for it!!!!!!, or snap it through the endzone.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - 6225 Posts 12/06/2004 @ 11:19:03 PM
was that a touchdown? it looked like his hand come down out of bounds first before he got his 2nd foot in.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/06/2004 @ 11:40:07 PM
That was one of the better games I've seen.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/06/2004 @ 11:48:06 PM
Sweet, Witten got my 3 points. Here are my 3 public leagues team scores 100 - and that's with Favre's -2 119 129 And I should have a 101 point lead in our league. And Jones scored 100 points for my Best Buy team. And I just found 100 dollars under my keyboard. Ok maybe not.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 12/07/2004 @ 12:14:08 AM
13-3, 116-76		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/07/2004 @ 11:27:10 AM
8-8, 110-82		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 12/07/2004 @ 06:11:38 PM
16-0, 192-0		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/07/2004 @ 06:50:04 PM
u wish		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Rosie O'Donnell (Guest) 12/07/2004 @ 07:12:00 PM
Yeah, ya DO wish.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 12/08/2004 @ 08:38:13 AM
Radtke has been signed to a deal and koskie has been offered arbitration. yay!!! blanco has gone to the cubbies though so mauer had better stay a catcher and better be healthy.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 12/08/2004 @ 01:17:17 PM
Cause there's no way you can replace a player as good as Blanco. LOL!! Sudden stop of lolling. The Brewers catchers stunk last year, at least at hitting.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 12/08/2004 @ 02:09:11 PM
That's good Sarah, but what about Brad Radke?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/08/2004 @ 02:20:33 PM
The Brewers did sign Damion Miller a last week though. He's a career .286 hitter.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.