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| Colts 41 @ Lions 9 Thu, 11/25/04 11:37am CBS
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| Bears 7 @ Cowboys 21 Thu, 11/25/04 3:35pm FOX
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| Titans 21 @ Texans 31 Sun, 11/28/04 12:00pm CBS
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| Redskins 7 @ Steelers 16 Sun, 11/28/04 12:00pm FOX
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| Eagles 27 @ Giants 6 Sun, 11/28/04 12:00pm FOX
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| Browns 48 @ Bengals 58 Sun, 11/28/04 12:00pm CBS
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| Chargers 34 @ Chiefs 31 Sun, 11/28/04 12:00pm CBS
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| Buccaneers 14 @ Panthers 21 Sun, 11/28/04 12:00pm FOX
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| Saints 21 @ Falcons 24 Sun, 11/28/04 3:05pm FOX
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| Ravens 3 @ Patriots 24 Sun, 11/28/04 3:15pm CBS
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| Jets 13 @ Cardinals 3 Sun, 11/28/04 3:15pm CBS
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| Dolphins 24 @ 49ers 17 Sun, 11/28/04 3:15pm CBS
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| Bills 38 @ Seahawks 9 Sun, 11/28/04 3:15pm CBS
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| Raiders 25 @ Broncos 24 Sun, 11/28/04 7:30pm ESPN
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| Rams 17 @ Packers 45 Mon, 11/29/04 8:00pm ABC
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| Week Record | 11 - 5 0.688  | 8 - 8 0.500  | 13 - 3 0.812  | 11 - 5 0.688 | ||||
| Season Record | 104 - 72 0.591 | 98 - 78 0.557 | 106 - 70 0.602 | 106 - 70 0.602 | ||||
| Lifetime Record | 437 - 272 - 1 0.616 | 390 - 319 - 1 0.549 | 422 - 287 - 1 0.594 | 428 - 281 - 1 0.603 |
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| Week: | 11 - 5 0.688 |
| Season: | 102 - 74 0.580 |
| Lifetime: | 427 - 282 - 1 0.601 |
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Bears 7 @ Cowboys 21
Jeremy: If I were out of football for 3 years and then expected to be the corner stone of a franchise who's fans have higher expecations than most others and my first play of the game was a fumble down to like the one yard line I might take another 3 years off.Matt: Could this game be any less interesting?
Jon: Happy Thanksgiving. Take some time to thank someone for what they've done for you.
Sarah: So much for my pick of Chicago beating Indy last week. Oops. Both of these teams stink. But, I'm giving the edge to Dallas for some odd reason. Krenzel is no Big Ben, that's for sure. I'm still amazed that it's Thanksgiving already. Happy Thanksgiving!
Jaguars 16 @ Vikings 27
Jeremy: Randy could be back. Since this is the Vikings it goes without saying that Leftwich will make his return as well. 2-3 without your best player over what is your toughest stretch of games anyway is hardly a "collapse". Vikes will go 5-1 to finish the season. The Packers will go 3-3 and hope that's enough to not watch from home.Matt: Jermaine Wiggins for MVP!!!
Jon: This one could be tough. I think it will come down to the team who scores more points.
Sarah: Minnesota was kind of eh last Sunday, and I think Jacksonville is going to tear it up against them. We'll get the final results on Sunday. Ooo I got distracted for a minute, they just showed Tom Brady looking all debounairre or however you spell it. Yummy.
Raiders 25 @ Broncos 24
Jeremy: Mmmm...MMmmm...member when the Broncos beat the Packers in the superbowl? That was awesome.Matt: Too many games, not enough comments to go around.
Jon: Denver might win the Super Bowl this year.
Sarah: These two teams are always playing against each other. It's getting a little old. I'm giving this one to Denver.
Rams 17 @ Packers 45
Jeremy: Let the collapse begin! (Collapse having been redefined as losing 2-3 games no one expected you to win anyway) As pass happy as Martz is normally he might just leave Faulk and Jackson at home for this one. Depending on which Rams team shows up this one could go from zero to awesome in one quarter.Matt: Tony Fisher is the best running back since Vince Workman.
Jon: Even though it's outdoors, I like the Rams' chances. In other words, I hope Green Bay loses.
Sarah: Ah our enemy of the late '90's/early '00's. I hope we pound the crap out of them because they're finally at our house. WOOF! The win against the Texans, wowza I was a bit nervous to say the least, and then the FG didn't look good but then it was and I rejoiced and it was all good. "It made Dick Vermeil cry."
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| This is just to piss Jeremy off. |
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| Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 10/25/2004 @ 09:32:12 PM |
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| No more random early comments should show up. |
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 | Sarah - 1866 Posts 11/22/2004 @ 07:47:50 PM |
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| That's funny. |
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| Jeremy - 5110 Posts 11/22/2004 @ 08:01:22 PM |
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| Looks like I'll catch Sarah this week. |
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| Sarah 11/22/2004 @ 08:59:55 PM |
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| You wish. |
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| Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 11/23/2004 @ 11:15:00 AM |
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| the Packers are down to one healthy running back. Just one, that includes fullbacks and running backs. William henderson is the only back for green bay who isn't nursing something right now. Maybe he'll pull a Matt Bernstein and rush for like 130 yards or something. |
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| Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 11/23/2004 @ 11:28:45 AM |
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Indy, Dallas, Houston, KC, Jacksonville, Philly, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Tampa Bay, New Orleans, New England, New York Jets, San Francisco, Seattle, Denver, Green Bay Dallas finally wins a game, at home on thanksgiving is a good time to break out of season long funks. Indy-Chicago couldn't be much more of a mismatch if there ever was one. New Orleans beat Atlanta, seriously, how is Atlanta possibly 7-2, things should right themselves before the season is over. Minnesota loses to Jacksonville in a close one. Green Bay crushes St. Louis, and the Packers come out with the top passing offense in the NFC, possibly the entire NFL. Did you know that the Packers have only gotten sacked a total of 5 times all season? That's crazy. |
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| Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 11/23/2004 @ 07:52:29 PM |
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| Yeah, what must it be like to be down to your 4th string back? |
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| Jeremy - 5110 Posts 11/23/2004 @ 07:59:03 PM |
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| And as long as we are naming hypothetical mismatches how about Miami vs Pitt. Me vs PDW. Hurrican Andrew vs Ditka. Logical rational vs Women. |
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| Scott - Resident Tech Support 11/23/2004 @ 11:06:33 PM |
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| It's not just that their down to their fourth string, it's that every running back is hurt in some way, I'm sure not all of them will miss the game, but it just seems strange. They'll win no matter what. |
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| Scott - Dog fighting is sick. Don't be a Vick. 11/24/2004 @ 02:08:08 PM |
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| I mean, seriously, william henderson is going to have to block for himself. Or Ben Steele will play fullback maybe, or maybe torrance marshel. Remember when Ben Steele recovered that fumble against the vikings, and remember when he used to play for the vikings in training camp, ok so I don't remember that part, but he did, and now I'm going home for hunting and turkey and 7 hours of watching football |
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| Jeremy - 5110 Posts 11/24/2004 @ 02:53:01 PM |
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| Remember when Jerry Rice fumbled before the OWENS OWENS OWENS play? Imagine if the refs took a game like that from you yearly and you didn't have to go back like 6 seasons to remember the last time the refs screwed you. Add in the fact that you owe the refs for 2 of the last 3 wins and I wouldn't be so cocky if I were you. They can't win them all for you and you can't win them all on last second field goals. |
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| Scott - Brett Favre Brett Favre Brett Favre Brett Favre Brett Favre Brett Favre Bre 11/24/2004 @ 08:26:40 PM |
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| 2 of the last 3 games? what does that mean. Seriously, 2 of the 3 vikings fans I've talked to after the packers-vikings game said they had no problem with the reffing, one of the 3 thinks there is a conspiracy around the nfl to help the packers. It's ignorance if you think that one call can change a game, even in the redskins game, by definition, that play that got called back was a penalty. It is not the Packers fault that teams make these mistakes. No ref has won a single game for the packers this year, and if some does think that, well, they can live in their own little world if they want. |
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| Jeremy - 5110 Posts 11/24/2004 @ 09:59:43 PM |
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Everything I read, some of which was from a packer message board the call in the Redskins game was complete bs and at best a ticky tack, never called penalty. It's not a conspiracy, it's just lucky. |
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| Cory 11/24/2004 @ 11:08:32 PM |
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100% of Viking's fans I talked to said the Packer/Viking game was complete bs, and also about 75% of the Packer fans. As my brother just said about the Redskins game that penalty (if it even was one) is never called. So tomorrow being Thanksgiving and all, this is a perfect opportunity for you Packer fans to be thankful for all the luck that the Packers are receiving this year. Just know that once it runs out so does their shot at a division title. The moral of the story: start praying for a wildcard bid. |
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| Sarah 11/25/2004 @ 09:16:31 AM |
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| Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! (even to those Packer haters out there) Not to get all mushy or sentimental or whatever, but in this crazy world, I think we all have a lot to be thankful for. So take a moment to recognize all that you have today. |
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| scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 11/25/2004 @ 11:56:19 AM |
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| but still, saying that the refs "gave" the packers a game is nothing more than whining. The Packers did actually score on the insuing drive after the penalty. And for the record, I have seen that penalty called more than a couple times, but I'm a packer fan, so my view on penalties is distorted. |
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| Jeremy - Corduroy pillows are making headlines 11/25/2004 @ 01:25:01 PM |
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The penalty is called a lot, but not for what happened to draw the penalty in the instance. The Packers scored yes, but who knows what would happen if there are 7 more points on the board. You know Kaos theory and what not. Plus even if you could say that the game would play out exactly the same the packers score would have just sent it to OT and who knows what would happen then. It's funny that the refs can never give the Packers wins but people still complain about the Owens Owens Owens play taking one. It's like when republicans argue that the bad economy has nothing to do with who's in office, that the economy is cyclical, but then try to argue that any improvments in the economy are thanks to Bush. |
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| icbeast - 2098 Posts 11/25/2004 @ 01:57:11 PM |
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| You guys need to chill out. The Packers have had some lucky situations this year, every team needs some to win every now and then. They've had games where more calls went in their favor, no doubt. They also managed to win last week, on the road, coming back from a deficit, without a running game, and the penalties in that game were completely in favor of the Texans (though most of them were actually good calls, they just missed quite a few on the Texans). The Vikings survived last week, and now that Moss is back they're looking up. The Packers now have some injuries and a tough schedule ahead, but they're on a roll. Carrol has improved about %500 since the beginning of the season, and while not dominant by any means, they've made stops when they really needed too. Wouldn't it be great if both teams could run the table until the Christmas game? |
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| Jeremy - The cake is a lie!! 11/25/2004 @ 03:08:03 PM |
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Yeah the games last week were pretty simmilar, both of us looked pretty sad in the first half and shut the other team down in the second. I think it would kill all of us if both teams run the table until the christmas eve game. |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 11/25/2004 @ 08:47:17 PM |
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| That Dallas-Chicago game was about the most boring game ever, but one of the most fun thanksgiving day games. In the 3rd quarter my brother dad and I were rooting for negative yardage for both teams, and we were cheering for most of it. What a classic. Leon Lett, I hardly knew ye. |
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| Sarah 11/26/2004 @ 02:00:37 PM |
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| Jeremy asked me who we play next week. I didn't know. We play the Eagles. Damnit. 4th and 26 is going to be brought up all next week, I might have a break down. This Monday night is going to be cool though because it's going to be all about Favre and I know that will make some people go crazy. Nah nah nah. |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 11/26/2004 @ 05:59:44 PM |
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| Favre isn't making a milestone start or anything, is he? |
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| Sarah 11/26/2004 @ 07:56:45 PM |
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| maybe.... tee hee |
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| Jeremy - Pie Racist 11/26/2004 @ 07:56:55 PM |
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| The wife and I just watched the last half of the apprentice replay. I must say that Trump is truly showing the business saavy of a guy who is synonmous with bankruptcy. |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 11/27/2004 @ 02:10:50 PM |
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| cheap attack, people who will do just about anything. The "as good as a punt thing" was 100% true, not that it was ok for favre to throw an int, but the int pinned the texans inside their own 15 on a 3rd and long play. I'm not sure what's more annoying, excessive Favre praise (and trust me, there is) or people who post stuff like that. |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 11/27/2004 @ 02:17:21 PM |
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and how rediculously inaccurate that post is. Joe Theisman did NOT agree that it was as good as a punt, I know, I have it on tape and I watched it again last night. Joe said from a QB standpoint an int is never as good as a punt. Credibility....shattered....play beer It's really more like......"Desperate Page 3 Writers", or pretty much just writer=) sidenote.....Joe Theisman's name in college was pronounced Theesman, with a long e and an s sound like that of the biggening of the word "song". He, or someone around him, changed the pronounciation of his name to what it currently is in an effort to make him more marketable for the Heisman trophy, so that his name would rhyme with Heisman. It didn't work because he didn't win it. FYI |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 11/27/2004 @ 02:25:30 PM |
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| I just watched the play again. The announcers spent about 90 seconds talking about what a wonderful interception it was (and it was a good one) and about 5 seconds giving an INTELLIGENT explanation as to why it was about equivilant to a good punt, (and the way the packers have punted this season, it was). Joe did indeed deny that it was as good as a punt, from a qb perspective. Some people might not recognize intelligent football conversation when they here it, but that's ok, I won't hold it against them (or maybe I will.) |
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| scott - 2883 Posts 11/27/2004 @ 02:26:36 PM |
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| icbeast - From now on, that's how you drive 11/27/2004 @ 02:44:36 PM |
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Intelligent football conversation? From Paul McGuire and Joe Theisman? LOL!!!!!!!! Those two guys, especially McGuire, are probably the worst announcers ever. They make Madden look like a broadcasting genius. As far as Favre stuff goes, it's not uncommon for broadcasters to dote on future Hall of Famers in their later years. Do they repeat the same things over and over until it's annoying? Certainly. Also not uncommon for broadcasters. I remember watching the last Badgers game the announcer repeated that "If Iowa wins they get a share of the Big Ten title and Michigan will go to the Rose Bowl. But if Wisconsin wins, they will go to the Rose Bowl." He said that at least 40 times, and that was just in the amount of the game I was able to watch. Illinois' basketball team is really good. |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 11/27/2004 @ 04:01:46 PM |
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| i think worst announcer award goes to pretty much everyone at fox |
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| Sarah 11/27/2004 @ 04:58:05 PM |
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| Fox commentators have no idea what they're talking about and yet I can't stand to watch games on CBS. I don't know what it is. As for the Page 3 writer(s) who need to rip on Favre or rip on the media for praising Favre, well they're just jealous. Does it get annoying? eh. But Favre is really really good. So there, suck it up. I'm sure one day Culpepper will be getting that kind of praise. (um yea right) |
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OK it's time for me to break down this issue...for the second time actually, since I erased my first post accidentally. The picture Jeremy put up was funny. Ha ha funny? not for me, but amusing. Do most announcers slobber over favre and other greats? Yes, but that doesn't mean we should just sit back and not protest. Let's all be honest...they say ridiculous stuff. The favre loving is excessive and here's how you can tell. Multiple packer fans have told me they've noticed it. And not just at times when I've asked about it. Some have volunteered the ifromation. That should tell you someting about the magnitude of the problem as well. Admittedly, I did not see the Texans game, so I was not an eyewitness to the events, but... As far as the "as good as a punt thing", here's the deal. It is true that a third down long interception is basically as good as a punt GIVEN THAT YOU DIDN'T COMPLETE THE PASS. In other words, once it's been determined that the Texans are getting the ball, it doens't matter much whether it's a punt or that interception. That's pretty clear after a few moments of thought. But here's the thing...that wasn't a given on the play, was it? To say that it was as good as a punt implies, at least to a certain extent, that it was a no-loss situation. However, it was clearly not a no-loss situation since the Packers could have completed the pass and gotten a first down. The interception was not just a bad thing from the quarterback's perspective, as if it were only bad because it would hurt stats or ego or something, it simply was a bad thing for the Packers. Claiming it is as good as a punt puts the focus on the fact that IF the Texans are going to get the ball on the 15 it doesn't matter much how they get it there. Focusing on that piont is the announcers' choice to make, But think for a moment whether that is the main, "point", if you will, of the play. The answer is clearly no. The "point" of the play? Same as any other interception. But claiming that it was as good as a punt seems to take the edge off the bad thing no? |
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| Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 11/27/2004 @ 09:41:05 PM |
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Good night people! First of all stop talking like I made the picture. Secondly the INT comment has less to do with that particular play per se and more to do with the fact that almost ALL Favre's INT's are rationalized like that. Most of the times it's blamed on the recievers. Giving a sure fire hall of famer his props is one thing, but I've never heard announcers discuss Jerry Rice in a completely unrelated college game for half the game like they did during a game today. It's reached obsurd proportions and someone poked a little fun at the obsurdity. Lighten up people. I really get a kick out of how defensive people are about the issue because they know it's true. All Theisman disagreed with was the fact that it's not "as good as a punt" to a QB |
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| Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 11/27/2004 @ 10:01:00 PM |
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Also it should be pointed out that if INT's in that situation are as good as a punt then a good amount of INT's are. When is the last time you heard the announcers point that out? Scott is focusing on the validity of the claim while I think we're all talking about the fact that they made the claim period. |
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Colts 41 @ Lions 9
Jeremy: Apparently a random number generator was employed to determine kickoff time for this game. This is a make or break game for Harrington. One more stinker, on national tv, might earn him a spot on the bench. 200 yards offense and 10 points won't cut it against Indy.Matt: The only redeeming part of Thanskgiving is getting both Pumpkin and Pecan Pie at the same time.
Jon: Be thankful.
Sarah: Ah Thanksgiving. Maybe Detroit will have the edge since it's Thanksgiving, but after the debacle at Minnesota, I give them no credit. Here's my theory: Manning is going to inherit the Marino curse. Yea sure he's going to break the record, but he's never going to win a Super Bowl. Bully for you Peyton!