NFL 2003 Season Week 16 Picks
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| Patriots 21 @ Jets 16 Sat, 12/20/03 12:00pm CBS
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| Falcons 30 @ Buccaneers 28 Sat, 12/20/03 12:00pm FOX
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| Chiefs 20 @ Vikings 45 Sat, 12/20/03 12:00pm CBS
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| Dolphins 20 @ Bills 3 Sun, 12/21/03 12:00pm CBS
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| Saints 19 @ Jaguars 20 Sun, 12/21/03 12:00pm FOX
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| Bengals 10 @ Rams 27 Sun, 12/21/03 12:00pm CBS
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| Ravens 35 @ Browns 0 Sun, 12/21/03 12:00pm CBS
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| Chargers 24 @ Steelers 40 Sun, 12/21/03 3:05pm CBS
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| Cardinals 10 @ Seahawks 28 Sun, 12/21/03 3:15pm FOX
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| 49ers 31 @ Eagles 28 Sun, 12/21/03 3:15pm FOX
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| Broncos 31 @ Colts 17 Sun, 12/21/03 7:30pm ESPN
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| Packers 41 @ Raiders 7 Mon, 12/22/03 8:00pm ABC
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| Week Record | 11 - 5 0.688  | 10 - 6 0.625  | 11 - 5 0.688 | 9 - 7 0.562  | ||||
| Season Record | 160 - 80 0.667 | 138 - 102 0.575 | 150 - 90 0.625 | 155 - 85 0.646 | ||||
| Lifetime Record | 315 - 191 - 1 0.621 | 278 - 228 - 1 0.548 | 299 - 207 - 1 0.590 | 303 - 203 - 1 0.598 |
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| Week: | 11 - 5 0.688 |
| Season: | 152 - 88 0.633 |
| Lifetime: | 308 - 198 - 1 0.608 |
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Falcons 30 @ Buccaneers 28
Jeremy: The Vick/Renegade/Sapp/Media orgy is down the hall to your left.Matt: Wow, this should be a good game... If it was 2002!
Jon: Come see the best player ever to put on any uniform ever pass for 47 yards! (Note: this is not an insult to Michael Vick, only one more commentary on the media hype)
Sarah: Last year Atlanta beat Tampa Bay twice. This year, without Vick, the dirty birds have fallen. Vick looked terrible last week. He was even benched! What gives? Have the mighty fallen? I doubt it. However, I have to give this one to Tampa. Atlanta 9 Tampa Bay 24
Chiefs 20 @ Vikings 45
Jeremy: KC is going down. They have shown weaknesses over the last few games. The Vikings have a knack for losing games they should win easy and winning games they shouldn't be in.Matt: Whatever happened to Dante Hall? Man, he fell from fame faster than the real Renegade.
Jon: Ten points against the Bears? Ten points?! The so-called "Number one offense in the league" should be able to manage a bit more than that. Of course, adjusted for penalties, the Vikings probably put up negative yardage every game. Contact the Mets, bring back D.J. Dozier.
Sarah: Ahhh. Ok, I didn't go with the Vikings. I hope that doesn't jinx them into winning. These past two days I've gotten conflicting information. NFL.com and ESPN.com both say that the Packers are atop the division, and if the season were to end today, the Packers would host the Cowboys, and Carolina would host the Vikings. The Packers official website, the local news, and the people at MNF say the Vikings are atop the division right now. I realize it doesn't matter at this point, but I want to savor the fact that we are atop the division for the first time this season. If we had to lose the way we lost to Kansas City, then the Vikings deserve that same fate.
Broncos 31 @ Colts 17
Jeremy: 1.21 GIGAWATTS?!??!Matt: Nothing to do with this game, but I think Joe Horn should be prosecuted to the FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW.
Jon: Indianapolis is for real. If Edgerrin James can lift his game, their offense would likely be nigh unstoppble. And any Tony Dungy team will play defense that's good enough to win games.
Sarah: Portis got hurt last Sunday, but will be able to play in this game. People are talking about giving the MVP honors to Peyton Manning, so I will go with Indy at home against the Broncos. Not that I give a crap. :)
Packers 41 @ Raiders 7
Jeremy: Let's hope the Raiders can muster enough defense to keep Ahman Green and the Renegade at bay.Matt: The Renegade should retire. Sure he was good back in the early to mid '90s, but now he's just pathetic. I mean did you see him with that laser pointer on "Are You Hot"... ridiculous, just ridiculous.
Jon: It's Oakland this week, and let me tell you why. I can't continue to pick the Packers this much. Sure the Renegade put up decent numbers, but he won't do that every single game. The Packers are due for a loss to a lesser opponent. Why not this week? Why not Oakland???? Woah...done with comments. I thought there was one more game. Oh well, enjoy your week.
Sarah: Ah the last Monday night game for the Pack for the season. Lorenzo is ready to bring it. Ahman Green is ready to break 100 again. We can NOT lose again on Monday night, for Monday night is our night to shine to the whole country. Favre looked outstanding and that's all I have to say about that. Our offensive line has to pull it together again to help re-establish our running game to the caliber that it was a few weeks ago. Oakland beat the Ravens last week, but I hope that tired the old geezers out enough so that they don't pull any upsets against my beloved team. Are you ready for some football?????
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| Putting Favre in the same sentence as Vick for media hype is almost insulting. Whether or not Favre still deserves his hype, he has at least earned it by his career. Vick has done nothing yet. |
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 | Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 12/17/2003 @ 12:10:20 AM |
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| p.s. Favre is number 2 in the league in touchdown passes. |
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 | Jon - 1361 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 12:33:01 AM |
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Since Jeremy is sleeping right now, I'll respond. You see, the comment about hype was mine and that was all about Vick. Jeremy's comment, as I understand it, is in regards to the media love-in that occurs for some players. One such player is Favre. Unless Favre cured cancer at some point in his career, it would be tough to argue that he has earned all the media-love he has gotten. p.s. Favre is second to last in Int%. |
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| Scott - Prince Fielder, the largest vegetarian since Stegosaurus 12/17/2003 @ 12:49:27 AM |
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| who looks at stats anyway:) |
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| Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 12/17/2003 @ 12:22:19 PM |
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| word to Jon's comment. |
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| Scott - Brett Favre Brett Favre Brett Favre Brett Favre Brett Favre Brett Favre Bre 12/17/2003 @ 12:33:31 PM |
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Atop the North the top 3 tie breakers for division championships are: 1) head to head 2) division record 3) record in common games The pack and Vikes are tied for 1 and 2, but the record in common games at this point goes to the Packers. so far, there have been 4 games that both the Packers and the Vikings have played. (Seattle, St. Louis, San Francisco, and San Diego). Of these games, the Packers are 3-1 and the vikings are 2-2. The tie-breaker goes to the Packers if the season ended today. Of all the games the 2 teams have in common (there's 8), the Both teams have a 3-3 record, but the remaining 2 games for both teams are in this "common games" category, but because the both their overall records and the common records are tied, it just comes down to wins and losses. If both teams win both games then it goes to the 4th tie breaker which is Division record which, unfortunately, the Vikings would win. |
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| Sarah 12/17/2003 @ 02:16:35 PM |
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| Doug Pederson is the top rated QB in the NFC. Let that sink in. |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 05:10:42 PM |
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| Well if I only had to complete one pass I'm pretty sure I could do that. |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 05:12:38 PM |
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| ps The Renegade is actually last in INTs according to NFL.com |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 06:05:27 PM |
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| I'm curious, where did the name Renegade come from? I've never heard this before. |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 06:06:25 PM |
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| ps, I am still awesome |
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| icbizzle - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/17/2003 @ 06:07:53 PM |
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ps your a moron jeremy I'm not sure where exactly on NFL.com you found that stat, but it's wrong. Farve and Bulger have 20 INTs, Harrington has 21. Farve's INT% is 4.8%, Doug Johnson's is 4.9%. So Farve is not last in either category, although he is close. He leads or is second in a few important categories as well though. As previously mentioned, he is second in TD passes. However, he is easily leading in TD%. He is also second in completion percentage. And get this. If you count interceptions as completions, he is actually first in completion percentage. ps the Vikings are going to get stomped on Saturday (Holmes only needs five touchdowns to break the record, so he'll be ready to play) |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 06:11:08 PM |
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| I must have missed Harrington, but Johnson wasn't on there since it just listed QB's who are currently actually playing. |
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| Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/17/2003 @ 06:49:24 PM |
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If only int's counted as completions. hehe. I mean come on, you completed the pass. Just because it was the other team doesn't make it any less of a completion. What's the deal. ps Favre also is in the lead with number of Country songs completed by a QB. |
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| Jon - infinity + 1 posts 12/17/2003 @ 08:19:07 PM |
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| Jeremy stop using nfl.com. ESPN.com is way better. The NFL will only end up fining you for enjoying their website anyway. |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 08:36:15 PM |
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| NFL.com? more like Nofun.com! |
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| icbizzle - Talk to me Goose 12/17/2003 @ 09:56:08 PM |
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| ps in case anyone was worried, farve said today that he will be back next year |
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| Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 12/18/2003 @ 12:49:49 PM |
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| Speaking of the media orgy Brett Favre and Warren Sapp both made the probowl. Never mind that Favre hands it off all the way down field until they get close enough for a 1 yard td pass to Bubba Franks and that he is forth in passer rating and has the second most ints in the league. Sapp on the other hand is 23 in sacks and not even on the page when you sort by Tackles (Solo and Assisted) In fact he isn't even in the top 50 for alot of things. He must have gotten picked as a tight end. |
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| Sarah 12/18/2003 @ 12:55:35 PM |
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| I do not agree with Jeremy of course in regards to the Renegade, but I do have to agree with him on the whole Sapp issue. Bah Humbug I say to that. Why didn't William Henderson get chosen for the Pro Bowl? Alstott has been on the IR since that infamous Colts-Bucs game, so he didn't get in. Technically the NFL isn't announcing the roster for the Pro Bowl until 3:00 today, so I've been franctically looking at all of the NFC team sites to find out what fullback made it instead of #33. A few teams do not have their picks listed, so I'm left to wonder. We have 8 alternates, so maybe a lot of people will decide not to go this year, and we can have a good portion of our team there. The way players are picked does kind of suck in some aspects, because yes, a lot of it has to do with name recognition and not stats. (I still think Favre deserves to go.) But our whole offensive line has been stellar this season and only Marco gets to definitely go. (Flanagan is an alternate.) That's not coo. Oh well, here's waiting til 3:00 to find out who else made it. |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 12:58:04 PM |
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| Matt Hasslebeck has just 2 less tds, 500 more yards passing, a better passer rating, and 8 less interceptions |
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| Sarah - 1866 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 01:00:03 PM |
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| And your point is????? |
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| icbizzle - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/18/2003 @ 03:04:33 PM |
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| ps Hasslebeck has led his team to a whopping 1 road win this year. What a weenie!!!! |
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| Sarah - 1866 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 03:07:50 PM |
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| Well the Pro Bowl results are out. Jeremy Shockey???? The guy hasn't played since November 9th. Give me a break. Fred Beasley???? No. William Henderson is way better. |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 03:36:43 PM |
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| Hasslebeck's record is the same as Favre's |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 04:19:46 PM |
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If you are complaning about Favre and not McNabb, then your argument is clearly anti-Favre biased, no question. Favre has 15 more TD passes, more yards, and a rating of 86.3 compared to McNabb's 76.6, Favre's completion percentage, (conference leading) is 65% compared to McNabb's 56%. Their TD/int ratio is practically identical. Why aren't you complaining about McNabb? Oh that's right, cuz he's apparently not overrated. Is William henderson better than Fred Beasley? Henderson doesn't have a rushing attempt all season (Beasley has 16 for 20 yards) Henderson has 23 rec for 213 yards and 3 td's (Beasley has 16/171/1). Who knows. We can be sure about one thing though, for the first time in a long time an actual fullback will be playing in the probowl. |
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| Jon - 1361 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 04:30:34 PM |
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McNabb also probably shouldn't have gotten in there, but that doesn't make Favre any more qualified. If there were more McNabb fans that viewed this site (or wrote for it) I'm sure we would discuss that a bit more. And although I still don't think McNabb should be a ProBowler, he is the quarterback of the best team in the NFC. That should count for something. Although like I said, I still don't think he deserves to go. My favorite ProBowler? PDW! |
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| Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/18/2003 @ 04:36:52 PM |
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| Yeah, but that still proves the Anti-Favre sentiment felt by some, and even those who oppose the Favre media hype still fall into the trap. |
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| Jon - 1000000 posts (and counting!) 12/18/2003 @ 04:54:25 PM |
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I don't think it proves anything. The reason we don't talk about Donovan F. McNabb is because no one is interested in him. Favre plays in our backyard. We write about what we know, and we know Favre didn't have a better season than Hasselbeck. You call it Anti-Favre sentiment, yet you didn't argue a case for Favre being in the Pro Bowl. Lot's of selections were questionable, we can't cover every one. However, that doesn't make the selections we do discuss any less questionable. |
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| Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/18/2003 @ 05:08:34 PM |
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| I'm a big McNabb fan, (ok, nevermind), but your point is taken. And actually, I am surprised that Favre was selected. (this will add to the media hype thing)But he his Brett Favre afterall:) |
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| Jeremy - 5111 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 05:14:55 PM |
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| Sometimes you can look the other way on stats when a QB has their team in the running for a number one seed. Not that it totally makes up for it but McNabb does have like 334 yards rushing and 2 td's that way. |
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| Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/18/2003 @ 07:48:09 PM |
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| So apparently the NFL is really cracking down on excessive celebration. The league fined Packer's recievers Robert Ferguson and Donald Driver for their "strike a pose" celebration after Driver's touchdown catch. Just a note. |
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| Jon - 1361 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 08:17:30 PM |
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| They should fine Favre for throwing the pass that led to that td. |
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| Sarah 12/18/2003 @ 09:33:42 PM |
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| Ok, so as soon as I saw the Pro Bowl results, I immediately went to look at the stats of the players who made it. Of course, stats aren't the only thing that should determine the ProBowl, they show some things. The whole Fred Beasley thing upsets me. Henderson is an excellent blocker, and the man behind him proves that. Beasley blocks for Hearst and some other people. McNabb's stats are pathetic. But, like Jon said to me TD passes are overrated. However, his QB rating isn't that great as one of our readers has pointed out. Favre has thrown for 27 TDs and almost 3000 yds. Yea, he has 20 INT, but look at his stats throughout the years, he has had a lot of INTs and yet those are overshadowed by his excellent skilz at getting the job done. The NFL is fine-happy, but if they fined people last week for the exact same celebration, than Driver and Ferguson should've known they had it coming. Hmmm I think I've repeated everything that everyone else has already said, but I thought I would say how I felt. BTW, school is out!!!!!!!!! |
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| Scott - 2883 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 10:09:05 PM |
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| The thing with Favre getting the job done is that I don't know how comprable this year is to others, because he has struggled along with the rest of the team. The Driver-Ferfuson fine, I'm actually glad that they got fined. I don't like players doing stupid premeditated celebrations, and it is even worse when guys on my team do it. Hopefully this will help curb the self-induldging celebrations. |
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| icbizzle - 2098 Posts 12/19/2003 @ 12:17:23 AM |
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So is everyone ready for the biggest sporting event of the weekend? That's right Marquette vs. Wisconsin, Sat. at 1 pm. Be there (in front of a tv) or be square. (The Packers game isn't technically on the weekend). In other news, the Pro Bowl itself is overrated so who really gives a crap who made it and who didn't. Does anyone watch the game? Does anyone even remember who made the team once the playoffs start? If you look up anti-climatic or boring in the dictionary you will find the Pro Bowl listed. Now that I've already said I don't give a crap, why shouldn't Farve make it. Players who have made the Pro Bowl before always get in easier than those who haven't, which is fair enough in my mind. Hasselbeck has had a comparable season to Farve, but he doesn't clearly deserve to go instead of Farve. When things are close, the incumbent wins (especially when fan votes count). The one guy who got extremely screwed this year is Tomlinson. I'm not saying he should have been picked over Holmes, Lewis, or Portis, but he should still make the team. He accounts for something like 50+ percent of his teams yards and touches (that=ridiculous). They should have a spot or two on each side of the ball that can be filled by any position, picked by the players and coaches. That way when there is an abundance of players at one position having a good year, they can all make it. |
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| icbizzle - 2098 Posts 12/19/2003 @ 12:20:53 AM |
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| ps I think baseball should contract every team not in the AL East and let them throw money at all the free agents that would create. First team with a payroll of $1 billion wins!!!! |
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Patriots 21 @ Jets 16
Jeremy: I was so focused on the Eagles win streak I neglected to note that the Patriots have an even longer one. Bully for them.Matt: I got nothing.
Jon: So apparently no one is ever going to beat New England again. They haven't been playing cupcake teams over this win streak. They've beaten Tennessee, Denver, Dallas, Miami (twice), and Indianapolis. So of course, New York will probably win this game. But New England is still the official pick.
Sarah: Ah New England is going to the Super Bowl and the Jets are looking forward to the April draft. Well, someone has to always play the spoiler, but try as they might, they are not taking down the unstoppable Pats.