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Patriots 21 @ Jets 16
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Falcons 30 @ Buccaneers 28
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Chiefs 20 @ Vikings 45
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Dolphins 20 @ Bills 3
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Saints 19 @ Jaguars 20
Sun, 12/21/03 12:00pm
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Lions 14 @ Panthers 20
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Redskins 24 @ Bears 27
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Giants 3 @ Cowboys 19
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Titans 27 @ Texans 24
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Bengals 10 @ Rams 27
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Ravens 35 @ Browns 0
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Chargers 24 @ Steelers 40
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49ers 31 @ Eagles 28
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Patriots 21 @ Jets 16

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I was so focused on the Eagles win streak I neglected to note that the Patriots have an even longer one. Bully for them.
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I got nothing.
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So apparently no one is ever going to beat New England again. They haven't been playing cupcake teams over this win streak. They've beaten Tennessee, Denver, Dallas, Miami (twice), and Indianapolis. So of course, New York will probably win this game. But New England is still the official pick.
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Ah New England is going to the Super Bowl and the Jets are looking forward to the April draft. Well, someone has to always play the spoiler, but try as they might, they are not taking down the unstoppable Pats.

Falcons 30 @ Buccaneers 28

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The Vick/Renegade/Sapp/Media orgy is down the hall to your left.
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Wow, this should be a good game... If it was 2002!
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Come see the best player ever to put on any uniform ever pass for 47 yards! (Note: this is not an insult to Michael Vick, only one more commentary on the media hype)
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Last year Atlanta beat Tampa Bay twice. This year, without Vick, the dirty birds have fallen. Vick looked terrible last week. He was even benched! What gives? Have the mighty fallen? I doubt it. However, I have to give this one to Tampa. Atlanta 9 Tampa Bay 24

Chiefs 20 @ Vikings 45

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KC is going down. They have shown weaknesses over the last few games. The Vikings have a knack for losing games they should win easy and winning games they shouldn't be in.
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Whatever happened to Dante Hall? Man, he fell from fame faster than the real Renegade.
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Ten points against the Bears? Ten points?! The so-called "Number one offense in the league" should be able to manage a bit more than that. Of course, adjusted for penalties, the Vikings probably put up negative yardage every game. Contact the Mets, bring back D.J. Dozier.
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Ahhh. Ok, I didn't go with the Vikings. I hope that doesn't jinx them into winning. These past two days I've gotten conflicting information. NFL.com and ESPN.com both say that the Packers are atop the division, and if the season were to end today, the Packers would host the Cowboys, and Carolina would host the Vikings. The Packers official website, the local news, and the people at MNF say the Vikings are atop the division right now. I realize it doesn't matter at this point, but I want to savor the fact that we are atop the division for the first time this season. If we had to lose the way we lost to Kansas City, then the Vikings deserve that same fate.

Broncos 31 @ Colts 17

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1.21 GIGAWATTS?!??!
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Nothing to do with this game, but I think Joe Horn should be prosecuted to the FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW.
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Indianapolis is for real. If Edgerrin James can lift his game, their offense would likely be nigh unstoppble. And any Tony Dungy team will play defense that's good enough to win games.
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Portis got hurt last Sunday, but will be able to play in this game. People are talking about giving the MVP honors to Peyton Manning, so I will go with Indy at home against the Broncos. Not that I give a crap. :)

Packers 41 @ Raiders 7

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Let's hope the Raiders can muster enough defense to keep Ahman Green and the Renegade at bay.
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The Renegade should retire. Sure he was good back in the early to mid '90s, but now he's just pathetic. I mean did you see him with that laser pointer on "Are You Hot"... ridiculous, just ridiculous.
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It's Oakland this week, and let me tell you why. I can't continue to pick the Packers this much. Sure the Renegade put up decent numbers, but he won't do that every single game. The Packers are due for a loss to a lesser opponent. Why not this week? Why not Oakland???? Woah...done with comments. I thought there was one more game. Oh well, enjoy your week.
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Ah the last Monday night game for the Pack for the season. Lorenzo is ready to bring it. Ahman Green is ready to break 100 again. We can NOT lose again on Monday night, for Monday night is our night to shine to the whole country. Favre looked outstanding and that's all I have to say about that. Our offensive line has to pull it together again to help re-establish our running game to the caliber that it was a few weeks ago. Oakland beat the Ravens last week, but I hope that tired the old geezers out enough so that they don't pull any upsets against my beloved team. Are you ready for some football?????
scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 12:07:25 AM
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Putting Favre in the same sentence as Vick for media hype is almost insulting. Whether or not Favre still deserves his hype, he has at least earned it by his career. Vick has done nothing yet.
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12/17/2003 @ 12:10:20 AM
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p.s. Favre is number 2 in the league in touchdown passes.
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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 12:33:01 AM
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Since Jeremy is sleeping right now, I'll respond.
You see, the comment about hype was mine and that was all about Vick. Jeremy's comment, as I understand it, is in regards to the media love-in that occurs for some players. One such player is Favre. Unless Favre cured cancer at some point in his career, it would be tough to argue that he has earned all the media-love he has gotten.

p.s. Favre is second to last in Int%.
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
12/17/2003 @ 12:49:27 AM
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who looks at stats anyway:)
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 12:22:19 PM
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word to Jon's comment.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 12:33:31 PM
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Atop the North

the top 3 tie breakers for division championships are:
1) head to head
2) division record
3) record in common games

The pack and Vikes are tied for 1 and 2, but the record in common games at this point goes to the Packers.

so far, there have been 4 games that both the Packers and the Vikings have played. (Seattle, St. Louis, San Francisco, and San Diego). Of these games, the Packers are 3-1 and the vikings are 2-2. The tie-breaker goes to the Packers if the season ended today.

Of all the games the 2 teams have in common (there's 8), the Both teams have a 3-3 record, but the remaining 2 games for both teams are in this "common games" category, but because the both their overall records and the common records are tied, it just comes down to wins and losses. If both teams win both games then it goes to the 4th tie breaker which is Division record which, unfortunately, the Vikings would win.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - So's your face
12/17/2003 @ 02:16:35 PM
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Doug Pederson is the top rated QB in the NFC. Let that sink in.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 05:10:42 PM
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Well if I only had to complete one pass I'm pretty sure I could do that.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 05:12:38 PM
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ps The Renegade is actually last in INTs according to NFL.com
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 06:05:27 PM
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I'm curious, where did the name Renegade come from? I've never heard this before.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 06:06:25 PM
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ps, I am still awesome
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newalex.jpgicbizzle - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret
12/17/2003 @ 06:07:53 PM
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ps your a moron jeremy

I'm not sure where exactly on NFL.com you found that stat, but it's wrong. Farve and Bulger have 20 INTs, Harrington has 21. Farve's INT% is 4.8%, Doug Johnson's is 4.9%. So Farve is not last in either category, although he is close. He leads or is second in a few important categories as well though. As previously mentioned, he is second in TD passes. However, he is easily leading in TD%. He is also second in completion percentage. And get this. If you count interceptions as completions, he is actually first in completion percentage.

ps the Vikings are going to get stomped on Saturday (Holmes only needs five touchdowns to break the record, so he'll be ready to play)
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 06:11:08 PM
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I must have missed Harrington, but Johnson wasn't on there since it just listed QB's who are currently actually playing.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 06:49:24 PM
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If only int's counted as completions. hehe. I mean come on, you completed the pass. Just because it was the other team doesn't make it any less of a completion. What's the deal.

ps Favre also is in the lead with number of Country songs completed by a QB.
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jon.jpgJon - infinity + 1 posts
12/17/2003 @ 08:19:07 PM
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Jeremy stop using nfl.com. ESPN.com is way better. The NFL will only end up fining you for enjoying their website anyway.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/17/2003 @ 08:36:15 PM
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NFL.com? more like Nofun.com!
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12/17/2003 @ 09:56:08 PM
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ps in case anyone was worried, farve said today that he will be back next year
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 12:49:49 PM
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Speaking of the media orgy Brett Favre and Warren Sapp both made the probowl. Never mind that Favre hands it off all the way down field until they get close enough for a 1 yard td pass to Bubba Franks and that he is forth in passer rating and has the second most ints in the league. Sapp on the other hand is 23 in sacks and not even on the page when you sort by Tackles (Solo and Assisted) In fact he isn't even in the top 50 for alot of things. He must have gotten picked as a tight end.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
12/18/2003 @ 12:55:35 PM
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I do not agree with Jeremy of course in regards to the Renegade, but I do have to agree with him on the whole Sapp issue. Bah Humbug I say to that. Why didn't William Henderson get chosen for the Pro Bowl? Alstott has been on the IR since that infamous Colts-Bucs game, so he didn't get in. Technically the NFL isn't announcing the roster for the Pro Bowl until 3:00 today, so I've been franctically looking at all of the NFC team sites to find out what fullback made it instead of #33. A few teams do not have their picks listed, so I'm left to wonder. We have 8 alternates, so maybe a lot of people will decide not to go this year, and we can have a good portion of our team there. The way players are picked does kind of suck in some aspects, because yes, a lot of it has to do with name recognition and not stats. (I still think Favre deserves to go.) But our whole offensive line has been stellar this season and only Marco gets to definitely go. (Flanagan is an alternate.) That's not coo. Oh well, here's waiting til 3:00 to find out who else made it.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - I believe virtually everything I read.
12/18/2003 @ 12:58:04 PM
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Matt Hasslebeck has just 2 less tds, 500 more yards passing, a better passer rating, and 8 less interceptions
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12/18/2003 @ 01:00:03 PM
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And your point is?????
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2887.gificbizzle - Who controls the past now controls the future
12/18/2003 @ 03:04:33 PM
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ps Hasslebeck has led his team to a whopping 1 road win this year. What a weenie!!!!
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 03:07:50 PM
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Well the Pro Bowl results are out. Jeremy Shockey???? The guy hasn't played since November 9th. Give me a break. Fred Beasley???? No. William Henderson is way better.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 03:36:43 PM
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Hasslebeck's record is the same as Favre's
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 04:19:46 PM
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If you are complaning about Favre and not McNabb, then your argument is clearly anti-Favre biased, no question. Favre has 15 more TD passes, more yards, and a rating of 86.3 compared to McNabb's 76.6, Favre's completion percentage, (conference leading) is 65% compared to McNabb's 56%. Their TD/int ratio is practically identical. Why aren't you complaining about McNabb? Oh that's right, cuz he's apparently not overrated.

Is William henderson better than Fred Beasley? Henderson doesn't have a rushing attempt all season (Beasley has 16 for 20 yards) Henderson has 23 rec for 213 yards and 3 td's (Beasley has 16/171/1). Who knows. We can be sure about one thing though, for the first time in a long time an actual fullback will be playing in the probowl.
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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 04:30:34 PM
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McNabb also probably shouldn't have gotten in there, but that doesn't make Favre any more qualified. If there were more McNabb fans that viewed this site (or wrote for it) I'm sure we would discuss that a bit more.

And although I still don't think McNabb should be a ProBowler, he is the quarterback of the best team in the NFC. That should count for something. Although like I said, I still don't think he deserves to go.

My favorite ProBowler? PDW!
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 04:36:52 PM
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Yeah, but that still proves the Anti-Favre sentiment felt by some, and even those who oppose the Favre media hype still fall into the trap.
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12/18/2003 @ 04:54:25 PM
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I don't think it proves anything. The reason we don't talk about Donovan F. McNabb is because no one is interested in him.

Favre plays in our backyard. We write about what we know, and we know Favre didn't have a better season than Hasselbeck.

You call it Anti-Favre sentiment, yet you didn't argue a case for Favre being in the Pro Bowl.
Lot's of selections were questionable, we can't cover every one. However, that doesn't make the selections we do discuss any less questionable.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 05:08:34 PM
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I'm a big McNabb fan, (ok, nevermind), but your point is taken. And actually, I am surprised that Favre was selected. (this will add to the media hype thing)But he his Brett Favre afterall:)
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - As Seen On The Internet
12/18/2003 @ 05:14:55 PM
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Sometimes you can look the other way on stats when a QB has their team in the running for a number one seed. Not that it totally makes up for it but McNabb does have like 334 yards rushing and 2 td's that way.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 07:48:09 PM
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So apparently the NFL is really cracking down on excessive celebration. The league fined Packer's recievers Robert Ferguson and Donald Driver for their "strike a pose" celebration after Driver's touchdown catch. Just a note.
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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 08:17:30 PM
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They should fine Favre for throwing the pass that led to that td.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 09:33:42 PM
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Ok, so as soon as I saw the Pro Bowl results, I immediately went to look at the stats of the players who made it. Of course, stats aren't the only thing that should determine the ProBowl, they show some things. The whole Fred Beasley thing upsets me. Henderson is an excellent blocker, and the man behind him proves that. Beasley blocks for Hearst and some other people. McNabb's stats are pathetic. But, like Jon said to me TD passes are overrated. However, his QB rating isn't that great as one of our readers has pointed out. Favre has thrown for 27 TDs and almost 3000 yds. Yea, he has 20 INT, but look at his stats throughout the years, he has had a lot of INTs and yet those are overshadowed by his excellent skilz at getting the job done. The NFL is fine-happy, but if they fined people last week for the exact same celebration, than Driver and Ferguson should've known they had it coming. Hmmm I think I've repeated everything that everyone else has already said, but I thought I would say how I felt. BTW, school is out!!!!!!!!!
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/18/2003 @ 10:09:05 PM
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The thing with Favre getting the job done is that I don't know how comprable this year is to others, because he has struggled along with the rest of the team. The Driver-Ferfuson fine, I'm actually glad that they got fined. I don't like players doing stupid premeditated celebrations, and it is even worse when guys on my team do it. Hopefully this will help curb the self-induldging celebrations.
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2887.gificbizzle - Refactor Mercilessly
12/19/2003 @ 12:17:23 AM
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So is everyone ready for the biggest sporting event of the weekend? That's right Marquette vs. Wisconsin, Sat. at 1 pm. Be there (in front of a tv) or be square. (The Packers game isn't technically on the weekend).

In other news, the Pro Bowl itself is overrated so who really gives a crap who made it and who didn't. Does anyone watch the game? Does anyone even remember who made the team once the playoffs start? If you look up anti-climatic or boring in the dictionary you will find the Pro Bowl listed.

Now that I've already said I don't give a crap, why shouldn't Farve make it. Players who have made the Pro Bowl before always get in easier than those who haven't, which is fair enough in my mind. Hasselbeck has had a comparable season to Farve, but he doesn't clearly deserve to go instead of Farve. When things are close, the incumbent wins (especially when fan votes count).

The one guy who got extremely screwed this year is Tomlinson. I'm not saying he should have been picked over Holmes, Lewis, or Portis, but he should still make the team. He accounts for something like 50+ percent of his teams yards and touches (that=ridiculous). They should have a spot or two on each side of the ball that can be filled by any position, picked by the players and coaches. That way when there is an abundance of players at one position having a good year, they can all make it.
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newalex.jpgicbizzle - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so!
12/19/2003 @ 12:20:53 AM
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ps I think baseball should contract every team not in the AL East and let them throw money at all the free agents that would create. First team with a payroll of $1 billion wins!!!!
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - Even now in Heaven there are angels carrying savage weapons
12/19/2003 @ 01:12:52 AM
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Barry Sanders still should have been MVP outright
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/19/2003 @ 10:42:45 AM
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Word to Micah's comment.

Now for Alex's. Making the Pro Bowl is an honor, playing in the Pro Bowl is an entirely different story. And it should have nothing to do with how many times you've been in the probowl. Why should Sapp go when he is having like the worst year of his career just because traditionally he's gone?
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newalex.jpgicbizzle - Who controls the past now controls the future
12/19/2003 @ 10:50:55 AM
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sapp shouldn't go
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
12/19/2003 @ 11:05:00 AM
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Favre has already said that he isn't going to play in the Pro Bowl because of his thumb, but here's something he said that I found kinda interesting. It applies to cases like his and Sapp's (well, kind of like Sapp's, but not as much)

"As a younger player, you almost seek those type of awards. You want to be respected across the league and that's one way of feeling like you belong," Favre said. "I also think it's unfair in the sense that there's a lot of guys who deserve to go who don't go.

"And there's a lot of guys who do go because of popularity. And that may be the case with me. - But it's still an honor."

--jsonline.com
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/19/2003 @ 05:37:34 PM
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aaahhhh home
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
12/20/2003 @ 03:29:47 PM
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So I'm watching the Falcons Bucs game and I have to say these are dirty dirty players. (not birds, players) Taking pot shots after every play and then some. Saw Travis Jervey, I didn't know he was even still playing. I thought he had a drug problem, of course that was awhile ago, but it's weird to see him still palying. The game just got real interesting as the Bucs just got the two point conversion, and are only losing by 8. Going for the onside kick. Alright better post this before they don't make it. Hmm, ok too late, ok TAMPA BAY GOT THE BALL!!! I hate the Bucs but Jeremy tells me I have to root for them to win. Fine, whatever.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/20/2003 @ 05:00:32 PM
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That fumble in the 1st quarter Kennison was a blown call by the refs. The viking player was outof bounds and batted it back into play. By rule that should have been a dead ball and KC's ball. Just a note.
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
12/20/2003 @ 05:04:17 PM
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That's what I thought. The ball was out of bounds, as was the player who batted it back in. The announcers didn't notice that he had batted back in until it had been replayed like fifty times. I think it should've been KC's ball, but at least nothing came of it, although KC could've scored if they would've gotten the ball back like they were suppose to. I don't understand why the ref who looked at the challenge didn't give the right call. As a side note, what's up with Randy's hair? Not a good call at all.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/20/2003 @ 05:31:23 PM
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If I'm not mistaken (which I very well could be) I think this is the ref crew that was fined for not stopping the clock in a key situation at the end of a game involving the Seahawks. Oh yeah, since when can the Vikings stop the run?
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
12/20/2003 @ 05:54:05 PM
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The CBS crew made another point about that play. The person (Brian Russell) who touched the ball first had stepped out of bounds, meaning he can not be the first person to touch the ball. Obviously the play doesn't mean that much since the score is 24-0, but it could've been 24-7 or something of that nature.
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scott.jpgscott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on?
12/20/2003 @ 06:21:31 PM
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Yeah, I saw the point on CBS, and as it turns out there were about 3 things that should have overturned the call, the refs blew it. KC could have made it 7-7, and the momentum would have been different. But it doesn't really matter anymore, KC has sucked since that point.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
12/20/2003 @ 07:58:50 PM
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I'm not sure about the replay procedures, but it could be that since the Chiefs argument was that Kennison stepped out, not that the defender was out, the ref could only rule on Kennison being out, not whether Williams or Russell was out (Which, of course, they were).
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
12/20/2003 @ 08:00:24 PM
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I hope my previous comment makes sense.
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
12/20/2003 @ 08:13:07 PM
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that makes sense. I too do not know about how they would rule about something like that, but I would think that getting the call right regardless of what the challenging team is looking for would be the main objection. It'll be interesting to hear how the league office responds to that.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
12/20/2003 @ 08:32:50 PM
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Interesting point Matt. If that's the case, maybe they should change the rules with the challenges. If something is challenged, but something else is found while reviewing the play, then maybe that should be ruled on as well? But what you're saying is that KC called the wrong thing in question. Interesting indeed.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/20/2003 @ 08:52:13 PM
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The refs blew calls each way, it happens, Moss caught a ball got forced out. still almost got his feet in anyway, and the refs called it incomplete, that would have ended the game.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist
12/20/2003 @ 08:54:00 PM
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ps The team mst have decided it was fro day today because anyone whos hair was long enough was sporting it, I thought it was funny.
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jon.jpgJon - 1000000 posts (and counting!)
12/20/2003 @ 09:29:41 PM
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I don't mean to make this "rip on Jeremy" day but..."The refs blew calls each way, it happens"..........since when is that your take on referees?

secondly, the fro thing was covered on tv. you should just stay at home and watch.
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12/20/2003 @ 09:50:53 PM
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Im not sure what you mean on either point, but ok.
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
12/21/2003 @ 03:20:50 PM
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Did anyone see the end of the Saints-Jaguars game? Wow, talk about bi-polar. John Carney better find a good home in Florida cuz I'm sure New Orleans won't want him anymore.
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newalex.jpgicbizzle - 3618 Posts
12/21/2003 @ 03:42:05 PM
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Moss landed out of bounds before he got pushed. Steve McNair for MVP!!!
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
12/21/2003 @ 09:22:32 PM
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Brett Favre's dad died today, he was 58. Favre has been through so much in his life, my heart goes out to him and his family.
I have not seen anywhere if Favre will play on Monday or not. Obviously I should not be thinking about football during these circumstances. But it seems even more tragic that his streak would end, not because of an injury but because of a death in the family. Obviously it's his choice, and I would want to be with my family if I were in his shoes.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?"
12/22/2003 @ 05:38:53 PM
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What is going to be annoying about tonights game is that 98% of the broadcast is going to be spent talking about Favre's dad. The media loves it when stuff like this happens and won't have the decency to not remind Brett and his family about it every 4 seconds. If Farve gets asked before/after halftime about it I hope he grabs the mic and chucks it into the crowd.

Also what will be annoying is that he can go out and throw 8 ints and everyone will shrug and say "well what do you expect after a loss like that" or he can go out and throw 8 td and everyone will say "well he was playing for his father." So no matter what happens the media will talk all week about how it happened because of his father.
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
12/22/2003 @ 06:57:45 PM
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I think for the first time in page 3 history I agree with Jeremy. On Monday Night Countdown on ESPN they had a camera in Favre's face as he was walking in. Now I know that this is a common occurence these days in sports to see the guys walking in from the parking lot, but come on, have a little decency. It's times like this when you almost have to leave him alone. I know that this is not going to be the case, however. For more reasons than the Packers making the playoffs, I hope Favre comes out and plays great, for nobody else but himself.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - I hate our freedoms
12/22/2003 @ 07:01:23 PM
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We agree on stuff in the blog. =)
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/22/2003 @ 07:42:53 PM
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true true
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/22/2003 @ 08:02:02 PM
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22 seconds into the broadcast.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/22/2003 @ 08:12:59 PM
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Darren Sharper is is such a dumb ass.
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scott.jpgScott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on?
12/22/2003 @ 08:35:49 PM
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woooooooooo!!!!!!!!! pretty good start for Favre I'd say.


is darren sharper french?
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children.
12/22/2003 @ 08:41:02 PM
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Well he is an arrogant jackass.
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scott.jpgscott - 6225 Posts
12/22/2003 @ 09:33:14 PM
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8 touchdowns you say? well he's half way there at the halfway point!!!!!!!!! Wow
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/22/2003 @ 11:17:04 PM
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Is 6 QBs to take a snap in a game an NFL record?
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/22/2003 @ 11:31:29 PM
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OK obviously the game meant a lot to Favre and it was quite the clinic he put on but I think Jon and Al actually managed a few times to say "Brett Favre" about 7 times in one sentence. All totaled I think the words "Brett Favre" made up about 25% of everything said on the air tonight. I was expecting them to talk about it a lot but I dont think Ive heard the words "Brett Favre" spoken so much in one game in my entire life.

Another thing that I found odd is they ALWAYS said "Brett Favre" never just Brett or Favre.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/22/2003 @ 11:44:32 PM
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Favre obviously draws a lot of respect from around the league. Al even said that there is probably no other person who draws as much respect from around the league as Favre. Ok, that being said. I'm really not surprised that they talked so much about it. One, because it's Brett Favre. Two, because something like this is such a freak occurance for an athlete to go through, and when he comes thru the way he did, regardless of the adversity he was going through, it was a performance for the ages. Also, Jon and Al both like Favre, as a person and as an athlete, so again I'm not surprised.

About the end of the 1st half after the constant "Brett Favre" talk regarding his father, I turned to my dad and asked him if he thought they were overdoing it at all, and he thought they were a little at that point.

On the same note, I am glad that they didn't do anything disrespectful. The interview of Favre after the game was simple, there weren't any stupid questions that were just looking to show a man cry on TV (at least I thought anyway).

When one of the greatest football players of all time goes through such adversity and then has a career day, those are all ingredients for excessive coverage during the game.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/22/2003 @ 11:48:36 PM
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That wasn't really my point. My point was just that they kept repeating "Brett Favre" over and over and over. You and I could have a 4 hour conversation about Jon without have to say "Jon Pehler" once let alone every 3 words.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/22/2003 @ 11:54:37 PM
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Ok, I get what you are saying then.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/23/2003 @ 12:10:56 AM
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That's actually kinda funny as I think about it longer. I think I'm going to start using people's 1st and last name when I refer to them from now on. No pronouns or anything.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i
12/23/2003 @ 12:21:25 AM
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Yeah, I'm thinking of going to bed but I want to see if Jon Pehler or Matt Pehler come online. Usually one of Jon Pehler or Matt Pehler is on AIM at this time of night. I kind of feel like playing a game and I wanted to know if Jon Pehler or Matt Pehler wanted to play Starcraft or Madden, Jon Pehler doesn't play starcraft, but Jon Pehler might play Madden with me. Matt Pehler and I haven't played Starcraft in a realy long time. Maybe I'll play Counter Strike.
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12/23/2003 @ 04:10:20 AM
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First of all, who are those people you're talking about?


Secondly, if you're going to talk about John Madden and Al Michaels while using their first names only (as if you guys are friends with them) then use John and Al not Jon and Al.

Thirdly, some people just have names that are prone to be used as a whole. And some people are more prone to use names that way. I have friends that refer to me almost exclusively by my first and last name. I also have friends that I refer to by their first and last names almost always. It's just a thing that happens. I see your point, that it might stick out if you listen for it, but at the same time I don't think it's weird at all.

Really, what is weird is you guys calling Michaels and Madden, Al and Jon (or Al and John). Not only do you not know them personally, but they aren't two cultural figures that are referred to often solely by their first names (e.g. LeBron, Conan). The old "Frank, and Al and Dan" monday night theme notwithstanding, of course.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/23/2003 @ 09:27:08 AM
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2 points for Jon. Geez man, go to bed.

75 comments, man, we sure exhausted this week.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/23/2003 @ 11:38:42 AM
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In the context of talking about the game and the broadcast calling them Al and John is fine. You don't have to know someone personally to use their first names and I'm not sure where you got that ridiculous notion. Secondly my point wasnt really that they used his whole name just that they used it every 1.5 seconds throughout the entire broadcast.
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2887.gificbizzle - 3618 Posts
12/23/2003 @ 12:56:18 PM
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Doooooooon't do it!
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