NFL 2003 Season Week 10 Picks

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 11/04/2003 @ 11:03:29 PM
Actually Sarah, every other qb does that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/05/2003 @ 10:19:44 AM
Actually Jon, I was joking. Although it's kind of funny to see Favre so eager to lay a block. It makes me laugh every time.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/05/2003 @ 11:38:50 AM
I laid a block like that once. No wait.....I got tackled for a safety. Shoot, sorry about that one guys.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 11/05/2003 @ 11:45:06 AM
"They can't defend runs to the outside or screens. They also have trouble with shorter, quick passes. Luckily the Packers don't do any if those things..." Packers can't run the screen, eh? I'll use these as words of inspiration.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/05/2003 @ 11:52:12 AM
Not to diss ya Scott, but Jeremy was joking about that. That's why he was worried they would lose to the awesomeness that is The pack! The Pack is nationally known for its screen passes and short quick passes. I just don't think sarcasm translates well on this page. AKA my comments for the Packers Eagles game this week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 11/05/2003 @ 11:59:23 AM
one more thing...... I get the deal with Favre being praised and then other Packers not necessarily being given the credit they deserve. First of all, Favre does not induldge in this attention, he does not ask for it, nor does he really feel it necessary (although I don't deny that he appreciates it) Also, it isn't like we haven't seen this before. When you have a no doubt Hall of Famer on your team he is going to overshadow the performance of other just by his presence on the field, or on the sideline for that matter. When John Elway was playing in his last days and his last 2 Super Bowls, the media could care less about any of his teammates. When the the President of the Broncos held up the LOMBARDI trophy after Super Bowl 32 and proclaimed "This one's for John", how do you think Super Bowl MVP Terrel Davis felt? After all, it was Elways heroic 3 yard scramble in the 1st half that was the play everyone was talking about afterwards, not the fact the Davis played the second half with a migrane (not the sarcasm). Point being, When there is a veteran hall of famer on the field (and even the biggest Favre-dis-liker can't deny that he is) he is going to attract the attention from everyone around him, simply because no one wants to miss the chance to comment on the great one. Whether this is right or not is a matter of opinion, and I think I share a similar opinion that Matt and Jon have expressed, but then again, I'm a Favre fan and I'm wearing rose colored glasses half the time.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 11/05/2003 @ 12:00:29 PM
(****note the sarcasm****) on that last comment		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3375 Posts 11/05/2003 @ 01:31:45 PM
Is there any question why Matt is Page 3's most beloved writer? I mean...[When asked to comment Shirin Ebadi said, "I feel worse than Barry Sanders back in 1997".] that's just brilliant		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 11/05/2003 @ 03:04:15 PM
But Barry won the MVP in 97		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/05/2003 @ 03:23:21 PM
The John Elway situation is the perfect one to counter the favre thing, not to support it. Everyone knew it was Davis's show and that they were all just along for the ride. Even Elway admitted as much. The "this one's for John" was solely due do the fact that he had been around for so long. Just like everyone made a big deal about Reggie White getting his first Super Bowl, it didn't mean they thought he was the biggest reason they were there.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Cory 11/05/2003 @ 03:47:43 PM
Sarah: Ah a game that only matters in the fact that the Vikings need to lose. But, if they lose to one of the worst teams in the NFL then well that could be embarrassing. Cardinals anyone? :) And I know you were being sarcastic but Favre only had 190 yards passing compared to the 261 Green and the rest of the guys put up on the ground.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/05/2003 @ 09:21:21 PM
The loss to the cardinals should not have happened. The only thing I meant was that it would be nice for the Vikings to lose to San Diego, but I don't think it would happen. Barry TIED with Favre for MVP. Jeremy goes on and on about that like every day. Barry should've won it out right. *says Jeremy. Favre was ONE vote away from tying for MVP last year. ONE VOTE! That is just way cool. Too bad December happened. He was hot in Sept and Oct. I know Favre didn't have many passing yards, but I still think it's impressive that he was good and accurate with a BROKEN THUMB. I think I'll keep saying that until I get beat up or something. Our running team just kicked the crap out of the Vikings defense. And you guys have a pretty good defense. Alright, that's it for now. Oh wait. John Elway is a putz. Didn't he go to 2 Super Bowls in the 80's? Maybe he should've won them then. The whole "this one's for John" is just irritating. Reggie White had never been. That's the whole reason why he came to Green Bay, because he knew they would get there.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 11/06/2003 @ 12:25:07 AM
I think the game that lost Favre the MVP last year was the Jets game. If the Packers would have won that game I think Favre would have won.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3375 Posts 11/06/2003 @ 02:02:56 AM
Everyone (figuratively speaking) knows Barry tied with Favre. That's why it's a funny subject. By the way, the MVP that we're talking about is the AP MVP Award, which is the award that is recognized as THE MVP. However, for some perspective on the issue, note that Barry Sanders won the MVP outright according to the Pro Football Writers Association of America and "The Sporting News". Of course me writing this is just "Favre-hatin". To be honest, I think at the time, I thought it was a fair outcome. However, the fact that Favre was (supposedly) close to winning it last year makes me question the whole process. I mean I'm all for Favre getting credit for his 27 TD passes last year compared to Gannon's 26, as long as you note that Gannon also threw for 1000 more yards and 6 fewer interceptions. My question: Where did Tom Brady finish? Not that I think he should have been MVP, but it would be interesting to see since Brady finished with better numbers than Favre in oh basically EVERY major statistical category. i.e. yards, comp.%, td, int. I know numbers aren't everything, but as best I can tell, Favre got 15 votes (Gannon 19) and Brady got zero. Is there that much more that Favre did than Brady? Stuff that can't be seen in the numbers? No, I'm really asking...is there? Something worth 15 MVP votes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 11/06/2003 @ 09:49:16 AM
The fact that Favre's name even came up last year, let alone that he only lost by one vote doesn't make me question the process, I can outright tell you the process doesn't work. There were 8 QBs with more yards, 2 with more TD's, and when you go to NFL.com and sort by passer rating, unfortunately they don't make cutoff on a certain number of passes being needed, but Favre isn't even on the page. Turns out he was 14th in passer rating, amongst QBs. Trent Green had more yards, 3 fewer ints, just one fewer TD and a higher QB rating. The afore mentioned Brady beat Favre out in every category. There were in fact a handful of QB who had at least as good a year as Favre, and Lord only knows how many non-QB could have been in the running. Luckily for Gannon his 1000 more yards and 6 less ints, (while playing a schedule that was believed by many to be the leagues toughest) translated into beating Favre, (who played in a division where the combined wins of the other 3 teams didnt even equal their wins), by a slim margin. P.S. Gannon also had 156 rushing yards and 3 rushing TDs, Favre had 73 and 0.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 11/06/2003 @ 11:07:37 PM
Ok, so this starting to sound slightly like Favre hating more than analizing. You guys are starting to sound like Brian Billick about the replay subject. For however long they've kept track of the MVP they've done the voting in a very similar way. While sometimes there are questionable players getting voted in (Miguel Tejada last year instead of A-rod) things usually work. Many times, as in the Tejada situation, consideration is given to the team's record (Green Bay had the best record last year). Also, Favre didn't win the MVP last year, so what is the point of bashing him. 2 years ago McNabb was 2nd in the league in MVP voting even though his numbers weren't "statistically" 2nd best, but some players have a presence on the field that speaks louder than their numbers (don't read too much into this, I'm actually not saying this to hint at anything). I understand what Jon is saying when he honestly question whether or not there was anything that Favre did differently that Brady didn't, but these kinds of things happen sometimes. But the people involved in voting must see something that we don't. Would they even be there if they weren't qualified? "Just junk it. Take the whole thing and get it rid of it, cuz it doesn't work." --Billick I think replay works. P.S. Ok, one more thing, Favre was 5th in the league in attempts and completions last year. I'm lost on the "not on the page" comment.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/06/2003 @ 11:15:06 PM
I want to take one comment back. I don't think it is Favre hatin'. It's just talk and I get a little too attached sometimes. We wouldn't be here if it weren't for subjects like this. And yes Jon, I am a Brett ("potential" hall of famer) Favre lover, and I'm proud of that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 11/06/2003 @ 11:21:38 PM
Hey, so games this week eh? How bout those Bengals. 2 games outta first with a chance to cut that to 1 game!!! I'm jumpin on the band wagon.....who's with me!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 11/07/2003 @ 06:20:57 AM
In 1997 Barry Sanders became only the 3rd person in NFL history to rush for more than 2000 yds. (The next season Terrell Davis became the 4th and so far last person to do so). Sanders' 2053 yards that season was and still is 2nd on the all-time list. Now, while Favre had a good season in '97, it wasn't even as good as his previous three seasons. While he did throw the most TDs in 1997, he was 2nd in yards, 4th in completions and 5th in adjusted yards per pass (what ever that means). Now in a regular year I agree that that could be considered an MVP season, but not in a season when someone else has the second best rushing season of all time.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Cory - 44 Posts 11/07/2003 @ 03:17:32 PM
There is a difference between passes attempted and comletions and QB rating.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Cory 11/07/2003 @ 03:19:26 PM
QB rating is some big messed up equation and he was not on the page for that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/09/2003 @ 04:33:53 PM
Someone point out to me where in the NFL rule book it says if the Vikings make a 3rd down stop you must call a bullshit penalty to keep the offense's drive alive.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/09/2003 @ 04:54:28 PM
Rule 13(d)-appendix B, right in between the tuck rule and the leaping rule.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/09/2003 @ 06:21:39 PM
So, the Vikings looked for real.........about 4 weeks ago. I almost feel bad for them, but on the other hand, the Packers are closing the gap. What is happening to the Vikings? Is it just the defense or is there something else?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3375 Posts 11/09/2003 @ 06:46:42 PM
OK...first of all, let me acknowledge the fact that the Vikings' defense is horrible. That being said, I want to discuss Doug Flutie. The only thing "magical" about "Flutie magic" is the fact that even though he's basically done nothing but win his whole life, he never gets any credit from NFL coaches. Even his own often times. Seriously, at this point I wouldn't even be that surprised if Drew Brees started the next game for the Chargers. Doug Flutie probably has a better feel for the game than 99 percent of the quarterbacks out there, but the coaches will always see a guy who's taller, who throws a nicer looking spiral and they will almost always choose that player over Doug Flutie. I know Flutie isn't the sole reason for this one win over the Vikings, but this Flutie phenomenon has been puzzling me for years.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/10/2003 @ 12:03:33 PM
85 years ago today World War 1 came to a halt (until 1939 when it started up again). I ain't gonna forget.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Farve Lover-- but not in the sexual way :) (Guest) 11/10/2003 @ 04:31:08 PM
What's the most feared wood wind instrument? THE FLUTE!!! HA HA HA. Good joke. Anyway, as soon as I saw the first drive I knew it was over. Sorry Vikings fans. I just hope the Pack wins tonight. My theory is is that the Pack is going to win the rest of their games and the Vikes are going to lose. I hope I'm right.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/10/2003 @ 08:35:54 PM
Speaking of the NFL rule book, how long until they change "roughing the passer" to "The Brett Favre rule"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 11/10/2003 @ 10:16:15 PM
When the Vikings win the Super Bowl		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/10/2003 @ 11:13:29 PM
Say whatever you want about whether or not you are a Packer fan or not or even if the Packers would have won the game anyway if they had gotten that call. I'm not gonna listen......the Packers got shafted. Good game for Green anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/10/2003 @ 11:30:58 PM
I'm just so angry right now. We had it. On a side note, I apologize for spelling Favre's name wrong on my previous post. I've done that one other time and I was a freshman in high school. GO OAKLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/10/2003 @ 11:38:29 PM
Scott - "Say whatever you want about whether or not you are a Packer fan or not or even if the Packers would have won the game anyway if they had gotten that call. I'm not gonna listen......the Packers got shafted. Good game for Green anyway. " What call?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 11/10/2003 @ 11:52:00 PM
p.s. Studies have been done that show in 99% of all situations, whether it be about the Packers or just a mistake they make at work, when a Packer fan is questioned on something they will make some retort about how the Vikings have never won a super bowl.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 11/10/2003 @ 11:55:42 PM
Sorry for not clarifying....... The last play of the game....Favre's fumble with 1 second left. It looked like it should have been ruled a forward pass (most times that usually is the ruling on a play like that, it seems anyway.) I really doubt that the Packers would have scored on the next play so they probably still would have lost, but it leaves a much more bitter taste in my mouth knowing that they were seemingly robbed of the opportunity to even try. Reality, it was not an easy call to make, but the precedent (I don't think I spelled that right) is that plays like those are ruled incomplete. But it doesn't really matter now. I'm not going to dwell on it. A lot of things went wrong way before that for this one play to be the focus.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 11/11/2003 @ 01:33:19 AM
All I can say about football is that the Lions are 1 game behind the packers and the Lions are the most god-awful team I've been a fan of in quite some time. GO BARRY SANDERS!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scotty (Guest) 11/11/2003 @ 09:07:13 AM
this has been a stressful couple of days. So stressful in fact that I got my dates mixed up thinking that yesterday was November 11, so my comment about WWI is a day early, and thus quite lame. I appologize for the mistake.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 11/11/2003 @ 12:17:57 PM
Micah- The lions have always been god-awful, this isn't the first year. :) And since you've been a fan for more than one year, well there ya go. I was so sure about the game on Monday and then looked what happened. Can't give up though. If we have a poorer record than the lions or bears this year, well that would be the worst that could happen. barry sanders should give back his nominee to the hall of fame and put on a jersey! (to paraphase my most hated player of the moment)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - Bring me the finest muffins and bagels in all the land. 11/11/2003 @ 06:05:56 PM
The Lions would be contenders if they still had Brett Perriman. GO MEL GRAY!!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 11/11/2003 @ 06:12:29 PM
I don't know who either of those two people are.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 11/11/2003 @ 06:12:33 PM
AND I just read all this comment crap. Barry Sanders deserved the MVP outright and its a travesty that he had to share it. To quote Jackie Chiles, I was "shocked and shagrinned...mortified and stupified...this case is an outrage"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - I'm flippin' burgers / you at Kinko's straight flippin' copies 11/11/2003 @ 06:14:10 PM
One time, Mel Gray led the league in punt return average.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Cory - 44 Posts 11/12/2003 @ 06:03:23 PM
Oh crap I dropped the ball.... again.....:)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.