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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Pie Racist
02/28/2008 @ 02:13:32 PM
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Woah Woah woah there Alex. No need to blow a gasket. I'm sure we all have some strong feelings about this issue, you need to save some screen real estate for the rest of us.

Seriously though, they need to legalize marijuana already. The time and effort we go through to track down and punish people over something so harmless is ridiculous. I still wouldn't try it, but I can't for the life of me figure out our obsession with keeping it illegal.

It's way less harmful to your health than cigarettes and exponentially safer than alcohol.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
02/28/2008 @ 02:42:50 PM
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We are a society of, "It's all about me, I'm going to do what I want" spoiled rotten individuals, and having those who would commit crimes to accomplis their will in jail is not a problem with me. Of course we pay for it in taxes...

If we were to let up and give some of these criminals their freedom, we would have more crime. You have to punish people for doing wrong, or else there would be no incentive for behaving yoursef.

I know this is somewhat off topic, and since I didn't read the whole article and don't know if they mention it, but if you expelled all of the illegal citizens who are in US prisons, we might be better off. Although, they'd probably just come back anyway.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
02/28/2008 @ 02:43:51 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 02:13:32 PM
Woah Woah woah there Alex. No need to blow a gasket. I'm sure we all have some strong feelings about this issue, you need to save some screen real estate for the rest of us. Seriously though, they need to legalize marijuana already. The time and effort we go through to track down and punish people over something so harmless is ridiculous. I still wouldn't try it, but I can't for the life of me figure out our obsession with keeping it illegal. It's way less harmful to your health than cigarettes and exponentially safer than alcohol.


Legalize it, demand a quality level, then tax it like you do booze. I'm in your boat Jeremy.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8989 Posts
02/28/2008 @ 02:56:25 PM
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The are numerous studies, though they may have delt with a specific crime, like murder, that have shown harsher penalties don't deter anything.

The reason I haven't shot you or stolen your car is not because I would go to jail for it.

For example: A vast vast vast majority of murders are committed out of passion, because the person is f'ed in the head, or are a calculated risk/reward. In the first two, which make up most murders, the punishment doesn't weigh in what-so-ever because it's either a spur of the moment snapping or you're deranged and not all there anyway. In the last instance where you're killing for insurance money or something you've already weighed the consequences and getting a mandatory life sentence vs an 80 year sentence aren't all that different in that decision. Not to mention you'd have to be not right in the head to be considering killing someone for their life insurance policy anyway.

If stealing something as cheap as a loaf of bread, to feed your staving family, of course, was punishable by the death penalty then theft probably would go down a bit, but the amount of murders would also rise, so there were no witnesses. On top of which we wouldn't really be any better off as a society.

Don't get me wrong, if stealing wasn't legally punishable, the amount of theft would go up, probably dramatically, but to say that the only thing stopping anyone and everyone from looting Walmart is that they could go to jail is a bit glib to me.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?"
02/28/2008 @ 03:08:58 PM
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Seriously though, 1/30 men and 1/9 black men ages 20-34 in jail?!? 1/9?!?!? Over 11% of black guys our age are in jail? That's just crazy.

(And that can ONLY mean the system is corrupt and filled with bigots in the legal system and other racists in the juries. Right? Right? Sigh...start the flaming.)

Edit: For context, picture everyone you've ever known to be left handed is in jail. That's only 7-10% of the population. (Though maybe that's a bad example because it might take a left handed person to notice other left-handed people, sort of like how you don't notice how many of a certain car there are on the road until you buy one.)
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02/28/2008 @ 03:47:07 PM
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Honestly we may all need a little marijuana to get over the following news:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394416/

Just kidding about the weed though.
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Davis Anthony 2007.JPGpremierdj
02/28/2008 @ 03:50:25 PM
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In response to the link listed above the Associated Press writes:

This is not the first time a team put major news on its Web site, and then promptly removed it.

On Oct. 23, 1999, the news that Don Baylor had been hired as Cubs manager appeared on the team's Web site, and was subsequently removed within hours. The team denied the story, but on Nov. 1, Baylor was hired.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist
02/28/2008 @ 03:54:57 PM
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That's a little bit different though. The odds the Cubs just had an article waiting around about hiring anyone and everyone available so they could have something ready are pretty low.

The odds that Packers.com has 90% of the articles in place for Brett's retirement or non-retirement to slap up ASAP after it's official is not only likely and perfectly reasonable, they'd be irresponsible not to. I wouldn't read anything into this one.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
02/28/2008 @ 06:25:46 PM
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premierdj Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 03:47:07 PM
Honestly we may all need a little marijuana to get over the following news: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394416/ Just kidding about the weed though.


Smoke it up, Hippy, nobody here is gonna harsh your buzz...
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8989 Posts
02/28/2008 @ 06:27:41 PM
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I'm pretty sure most of the people here would harsh his buzz.
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - You analyze me. Tend to despise me. You laugh when I stumble and fall.
02/28/2008 @ 06:28:35 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 02:13:32 PM
It's way less harmful to your health than cigarettes and exponentially safer than alcohol.


Amen.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
02/28/2008 @ 06:50:21 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 06:27:41 PM
I'm pretty sure most of the people here would harsh his buzz.


Then that's on them. Do whatever you want to you, just don't let anything happen to me. Worst thing to ever happen to me for someone smoking pot is that we got kicked out of Walmart- and I was the drunk one.
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Carlos44ec screwed with this at 02/28/2008 6:51:02 pm
newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
02/28/2008 @ 10:27:02 PM
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Well, I'm not really sure what there is to say about it. I'm pretty sure it's not a good thing, but I don't know even know how it got to where it is. Too many laws to break? Too strict sentencing? Too lenient sentencing? Too nice of jails? All I know is that those numbers are mind bottling.

Jeremy Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 02:13:32 PM
Seriously though, they need to legalize marijuana already. The time and effort we go through to track down and punish people over something so harmless is ridiculous. I still wouldn't try it, but I can't for the life of me figure out our obsession with keeping it illegal. It's way less harmful to your health than cigarettes and exponentially safer than alcohol.

Fair points, although it seems like the research on whether it is safer than cigs keep flip-flopping. Would legalizing it cause more people to get high which would in turn cause them to break other laws? Not that that result would necessarily make it the wrong move, but it might not solve the crime problem as much either.

Carlos44ec Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 02:42:50 PM
We are a society of, "It's all about me, I'm going to do what I want" spoiled rotten individuals

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Carlos44ec Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 02:42:50 PM
I know this is somewhat off topic, and since I didn't read the whole article and don't know if they mention it, but if you expelled all of the illegal citizens who are in US prisons, we might be better off. Although, they'd probably just come back anyway.

At this point every little bit would help. Let's expel the unprisoned illegals too while we're at it. No more free loaders!!

Jeremy Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 02:56:25 PM
The are numerous studies, though they may have delt with a specific crime, like murder, that have shown harsher penalties don't deter anything.

I didn't quote the whole thing, but good points here. So would lesser penalties and letting people out sooner make sense if the penalty isn't detering people anyway?

Carlos44ec Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 06:50:21 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 06:27:41 PM
I'm pretty sure most of the people here would harsh his buzz.
Then that's on them. Do whatever you want to you, just don't let anything happen to me.

Well, when people get arrested and put in jail for it and you have to pay for it, it is affecting you.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
02/29/2008 @ 08:00:14 AM
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In regards to Alex comment on My comment on Jeremy's comment:

If it was legal, you wouldn't have to pay to put them in prison- also, if it were regulated and taxed properly, it could lead to a decrease in your taxes.
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2887.gifAlex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated
02/29/2008 @ 12:55:01 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 02/29/2008 @ 08:00:14 AM
In regards to Alex comment on My comment on Jeremy's comment: If it was legal, you wouldn't have to pay to put them in prison- also, if it were regulated and taxed properly, it could lead to a decrease in your taxes.


If. Right now it's not so I don't condone it.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Super Chocolate Bear
02/29/2008 @ 01:17:56 PM
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Alex Wrote - 02/28/2008 @ 10:27:02 PM
Fair points, although it seems like the research on whether it is safer than cigs keep flip-flopping. Would legalizing it cause more people to get high which would in turn cause them to break other laws? Not that that result would necessarily make it the wrong move, but it might not solve the crime problem as much either.


I think the big reason for the flip-flopping is that you're comparing apples and oranges. I've heard that smoking a joint is much more detrimental to your health than smoking a cigarette. Even if that's true it's irrelevant because no one is, or would be, a 3 pack of joints a day smoker. As I understand it even if you wanted to be high 24-7 it would be much less smoking than for the above average smoker getting their nicotine fix. Some studies take that into account, some don't, and it's not all that clear if joints are more harmful than cigs anyway.

I think I saw that they have way more tar than cigs, but that's not all that makes cigs harmful.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Robots don't say 'ye'
02/29/2008 @ 01:22:00 PM
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Alex Wrote - 02/29/2008 @ 12:55:01 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - 02/29/2008 @ 08:00:14 AM
In regards to Alex comment on My comment on Jeremy's comment: If it was legal, you wouldn't have to pay to put them in prison- also, if it were regulated and taxed properly, it could lead to a decrease in your taxes.


If. Right now it's not so I don't condone it.


I wouldn't condone it either way. I still think it should be legal. The really sad thing is that it's been shown to have lots of medical benefits, but our paranoia and thinking of the children is keeping it away from people it could legitimately help.
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jon.jpgJon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert
03/01/2008 @ 05:22:59 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 02/29/2008 @ 01:22:00 PM
The really sad thing is that it's been shown to have lots of medical benefits, but our paranoia and thinking of the children is keeping it away from people it could legitimately help.


You know what makes you paranoid? Smokin' dope.
Stay in school kids.
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - Bring me the finest muffins and bagels in all the land.
03/02/2008 @ 07:31:56 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 02/29/2008 @ 01:17:56 PM

I think the big reason for the flip-flopping is that you're comparing apples and oranges. I've heard that smoking a joint is much more detrimental to your health than smoking a cigarette. Even if that's true it's irrelevant because no one is, or would be, a 3 pack of joints a day smoker. As I understand it even if you wanted to be high 24-7 it would be much less smoking than for the above average smoker getting their nicotine fix. Some studies take that into account, some don't, and it's not all that clear if joints are more harmful than cigs anyway.

I think I saw that they have way more tar than cigs, but that's not all that makes cigs harmful.


Spot on...Thats the only study I've ever seen; where 3 joints a day was equal to a pack of cigarettes. But I don't know too many people who are sitting by themselves sucking down 3 joints a day. I'm not denying those people exist, but they're certainly not common.

I think the first thing that needs to be changed is we need to make a life sentence a life sentence. I am so sick of seeing headlines that read "Man gets life sentence of 25 years for killing wife." If he should be in for 25 years than give him 25 freakin' years.
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Micah edited this at 03/02/2008 7:32:31 am
avatar2345.jpgPackOne - The Harvard comma's #1 fan.
03/02/2008 @ 08:39:49 PM
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Actually, the biggest harm from marijuana is that it increases the synaptic gap between neurons with daily use. Thus, the old adage marijuana kills brain cells. This is semi-correct although they are not killed, just inhibited. The whole tar/lungs argument isn't really valid as there are numerous ways to ingest marijuana.
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