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Ex AT&T Tech Says NSA Monitors All Web Traffic

I heard about this yesterday. This morning there were reports of credit card companies turning over records to the NSA regarding grocery purchases in "middle eastern" neighborhoods.

The legality of this is up in the air, but how to you feel about it "morally/ethically?"

I'm torn because on one hand I don't like being "spied" on. On the other hand do we even have a right to privacy regarding stuff we do "publicly?" Do we just have to accept that we are putting information out into the world for God knows who to see when we use the internet? The person who owns the website can see you were there. Countless thousands of people administer the systems it takes for your information to get around. Your ISP can tell exactly what you're doing. Is it really the end of the world if a couple more people see the data you generated? I mean, I get that it's the principal of the matter, but still.

Secondly, is that even your information to begin with? Nutcan.com, like virtually every website, logs every page hit. We see everything you do here. Is that really "your" information, or are we free to do what we want with it? As such you are paying a company to give you access to the Internet, if they track what you do isn't that their information to give to whom ever they want? You might not like it, but you are free to use another service then.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
11/10/2007 @ 09:15:50 AM
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I spent thousands of dollars via credit card while in the middle east. You'll probably see me on a list of "most wanted terrorists."
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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
11/10/2007 @ 11:03:23 PM
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Very thought provoking at least, Jeremy. well done.
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Jon perfected this at 11/10/2007 11:03:49 pm
fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/10/2007 @ 11:39:44 PM
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It provoked thoughts so well it caused you to offer up none of your own?
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - I believe virtually everything I read.
11/10/2007 @ 11:41:08 PM
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and FYI by "middle eastern" neighborhoods I was referring to places that were in the US, but viewed to have a higher than average Muslim population.
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jon.jpgJon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert
11/10/2007 @ 11:45:11 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 11/10/2007 @ 11:39:44 PM
It provoked thoughts so well it caused you to offer up none of your own?


I think it's been well established that I don't post every thought I ever have immediately on this site.

Also, on this issue, I feel it's best to let things get totally out of control before I form an opinion. That seems to be the safest way to go about it.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/10/2007 @ 11:53:34 PM
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Oh, look, the window's open again! You can see the moon!
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
11/11/2007 @ 12:14:45 AM
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Sometimes I wish I lived 200 years ago so I wouldn't have to worry about all this stuff. Then I realize that I also wouldn't have World of Warcraft, which makes up for the total lack of privacy that I have now.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - A Vote for me is a Vote against Terrorism! ...or atleast just wasted.
11/12/2007 @ 08:17:05 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 11/10/2007 @ 11:41:08 PM
and FYI by "middle eastern" neighborhoods I was referring to places that were in the US, but viewed to have a higher than average Muslim population.


Like St. Paul MN and Lansing MI?
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Carlos44ec perfected this at 11/12/2007 8:17:35 am
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