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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist
10/30/2007 @ 11:03:32 AM
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I guess the full results are too big for the can to handle, I'll summarize.

Hillary, Dodd, and Edwards - 12
Kucinich, Obama, and Richardson - 11

Rudy and Ron Paul got 4's

Fred Thompson got a 0.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
10/30/2007 @ 11:16:45 AM
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Also, some of the questions are kind of dumb or oversimplified. You'd have to be a banker to have an idea how to answer that Mortgage question, and the energy question is over simplified. Yes, we should be looking for alternate fuels. That doesn't mean we should fly over Iowa dropping gold bars on corn farmers.

Also, as far as the mortgage one is concerned. At what point in America did the "tough shit" rule stop applying to anyone ever? If someone was tricked into something by an unscupulous lender than that is one thing, but aren't a lot of the people losing their home just people who bought a 3000 square foot McMansion, on salaries that would otherwise be a struggle to make rent on an average apartment, full well knowing the rates may go up?

I feel like so much of America is fiscally responsible people bailing out stupid (i.e. fiscally irresponsible) poor people. (Not to mention already rich corporations.) Do we really need to start fund for people to help keep their house that's a) Maybe nicer than the one we live in and b) When they bought a house they couldn't afford in the first place.

To me it would be the same thing if I bought a Ferrari and then held a benefit to help raise money when the payments got to be too much.
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newalex.jpgAlex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel
10/30/2007 @ 01:06:43 PM
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5 corns 4u

Ron Paul - 18
Huckabee - 17
Hunter, McCain, Tancredo, Thompson - 13
Clinton - 7
Obama - 6

I don't think I even know who Ron Paul is.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - I believe virtually everything I read.
10/30/2007 @ 01:13:47 PM
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He's the internet's favorite candidate. Tucker Carlson said on Bill Maher's show that no one would vote for him if they really knew what he stood for....at least I think he was talking about Ron Paul.

I didn't choose many "I feel strongly" or "I don't care as much" which apparently had a big impact on score. One, because I don't feel that strongly about things, and 2 because some of the non yes no questions we're kind of splitting hairs.

The biggest problem is "yes" "no" questions have no room for a nuanced response and detailed options have too much "well I agree 90% with this answer, but I really disagree with that 10%. I agree with only 70% of this answer, but I could live with the other 30%" I guess we can just never be happy. :)
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children.
10/30/2007 @ 01:21:26 PM
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Plus I don't really know how I feel about the death penalty. Not even thinking about the moral ramifications, it just seems like the system is so flawed and the bureaucracy behind it all is such a giant lumbering ball of incompetence that it's hard to get behind an ends that is so final. On the other hand, you read so many horrible horrible stories of people who probably earned the right to be put down 1000 times over that to say it's NEVER an option might not be good either.
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Jeremy screwed with this at 10/30/2007 1:23:31 pm
face.bmpCarlos44ec - "Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else."
10/30/2007 @ 01:35:09 PM
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For Carl, the Federal Libertarian who sits on the line-

Rudy- 16 (but we disagree on Energy, Iran, Mortgage and education)
Kucinich- 13 (disagree on Iraq, Taxes, SS, Energy, Mortgage, education, health care, and death
McCain- 13 (iran, mort, stem cell, abortion, immig, educ, line item)
Edwards (!)- 12 (iraq, taxes, ss, schip, energy, mortgage, education, health, line item...)

My Nemesis, Hillary and I agree on Iran, Stem cells, Abortion, marriage, line item, and death. That's assuming I read the questions right and answered them properly.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
10/30/2007 @ 01:51:47 PM
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I don't understand the line item thing. Why would anyone be for that? Is that a dem/republican issue? It seems like it really shifts the power. Sure congress passed a spending bill, but they didn't pass THAT spending bill once the President does what he wants with it.

I remember thinking the same time in grade school in whatever year you learn about the Government. (Thought I seem to remember it specifically being talked about that the Governor could do that.)

Seems like it's just one of those things that the republicans would want when a republican is president and then vise versa.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
10/30/2007 @ 01:55:54 PM
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I see it as a way for the president to veto specific riders on a bill. I am against it because it can be used for evil, muahahahahaa
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
10/30/2007 @ 02:33:33 PM
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Sure, but that was still what congress passed, riders or no.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
10/30/2007 @ 03:01:28 PM
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only with a 2/3 vote, and that falls right into the way the founding fathers wanted
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style."
10/30/2007 @ 03:05:12 PM
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Try this out- an easy way to give yourself a label!

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

Carl's result, Right-leaning Libertarian

In other news, I scored 2 out of 10 on the George Bush Loyalty Quiz: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blgeorgewbushquiz.htm
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Robots don't say 'ye'
10/30/2007 @ 03:14:25 PM
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Liberal Libertarian

Edit: I got 3 questions into that second quiz and decided it was not worth my time, even as a joke.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style."
10/30/2007 @ 03:34:04 PM
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oh, sure, quit right before it gets funny....
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matt.jpgMatt - 3354 Posts
10/30/2007 @ 05:58:26 PM
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On the First Quiz:

Rudy, Hunter, Paul, McCain, and FDT - 9
Huckabee, Tancredo - 8
Romney - 7
Kucinich (Higest Dem.)- 4

I kept all of the questions as the middle "interest category", which is why I think I have such a tight bunching. I will now go and try it again while assigning interest levels to the questions.

New Results:

Rudy - 16
Hunter, McCain, FDT - 14
Romney - 13
The Huckster, Tancredo - 11
Paul - 8
Richardson (Highest Dem.) - 7

This is more accurate, as my top 4, so far, go (in order): Rudy, McCain, Romney, FDT

As mentioned before, the questions are not that great. Especially the Education, Immigration, etc. ones where they seem to be direct quotes from the debates or something. None of them were really full-fledged policies or plans, and there were multiple comments that I would agree with and want as part of a larger policy.


As for the second quiz:

Libertarian (close to the Right/Conservative line).
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matt.jpgMatt - Ombudsman
10/30/2007 @ 06:06:27 PM
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Also, from on the MPR pick your candidate site, they have a similar option for the Minnesota Senate Race.

Norm Coleman - 14
Mike Ciresi, Al Franken - 1
Jim Cohen, Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer - 0
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
10/30/2007 @ 07:00:23 PM
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Chris Dodd 19.0
Barack Obama 17.0
Hillary Clinton 16.0
Dennis Kucinich 16.0
John Edwards 14.0
Bill Richardson 11.0
Ron Paul 10.0
Mike Gravel 9.0
Joe Biden 8.0
Rudy Giuliani 7.0
Mike Huckabee 6.0
Mitt Romney 4.0
Duncan Hunter 3.0
Tom Tancredo 3.0
Fred Thompson 3.0
John McCain 2.0

I'm a little surprised. I didn't realize that I would lead so far to the left. And John McCain is the guy a agree with the least? I never would have guessed that. Still, I probably would prefer him over the other Republicans.
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
10/30/2007 @ 07:04:04 PM
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I'm also a Centrist, right on the corner next to left liberal and Statist Big Govt.
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
10/30/2007 @ 07:28:17 PM
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I got Statist, which is wrong.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
10/30/2007 @ 09:01:24 PM
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no, the test doesn't lie. Statist you are. sick...
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
10/30/2007 @ 09:04:00 PM
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Here are my results:
Main Contender:

Brett Favre: 38

Top 3:

Dennis Kucinich 23.0
Ron Paul 22.0
Bill Richardson 21.0

Other leading people:

Hillary Clinton 18.0
Barack Obama 18.0
John Edwards 15.0
Rudy Giuliani 14.0
John McCain 10.0
Fred Thompson 4.0
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - So's your face
10/30/2007 @ 09:07:17 PM
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FYI on the other quiz: I am a centrist leaning towards Libertarian.
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flower .jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
10/30/2007 @ 11:07:15 PM
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Having had dinner with the Clintons on several occasions, go Hill.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
10/31/2007 @ 08:41:48 AM
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Scott Wrote - 10/30/2007 @ 07:00:23 PM
Chris Dodd 19.0
John McCain 2.0

I'm a little surprised. I didn't realize that I would lead so far to the left. And John McCain is the guy a agree with the least? I never would have guessed that. Still, I probably would prefer him over the other Republicans.


I think McCain got a 4 from me, and I was a bit surprised by that cause I always considered him "The republican I could live with." I think though a lot of people felt that way because agree or not, you knew where he stood on issues. He didn't seem to be playing politics. Then he threw his hat in the ring for president and pissed away years of credibility by pandering and ridiculously transparently playing politics.

So really, maybe the scores are so low because the policy isn't exactly what he thinks, just something to get a certain group on board.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
10/31/2007 @ 08:51:27 AM
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Matt Wrote - 10/30/2007 @ 06:06:27 PM
Also, from on the MPR pick your candidate site, they have a similar option for the Minnesota Senate Race.

Norm Coleman - 14
Mike Ciresi, Al Franken - 1
Jim Cohen, Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer - 0


Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer - 15
Franken - 14
Coleman - 0
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10/31/2007 @ 02:24:27 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 10/31/2007 @ 08:41:48 AM
I think McCain got a 4 from me, and I was a bit surprised by that cause I always considered him "The republican I could live with." I think though a lot of people felt that way because agree or not, you knew where he stood on issues. He didn't seem to be playing politics. Then he threw his hat in the ring for president and pissed away years of credibility by pandering and ridiculously transparently playing politics.


Examples?
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
10/31/2007 @ 03:20:27 PM
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Well, it's an often discussed sentiment, and I thought fairly universally accepted. However since you asked, here's one example

He didn't go from popular to campaign over so quickly for no reason.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - "The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower."
10/31/2007 @ 03:44:38 PM
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I got similar results as Matt for MN:

Coleman, Ciresi, then Franken, JNP, and Cohen.

I then answered the Presidential quiz in a mirror-opposite way, and came up with this:

Richardson, Kucinich, Biden, Dodd, Gravel, Obama, Paul, Romney, Clinton... (from Rudy, Kucinich McCain Edwards)

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10/31/2007 @ 03:52:48 PM
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The difference is you can actually vote for one of them.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
10/31/2007 @ 04:26:30 PM
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Yep, I suuuuuuure can! But will I?
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3354 Posts
10/31/2007 @ 06:09:30 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 10/31/2007 @ 03:20:27 PM
Well, it's an often discussed sentiment, and I thought fairly universally accepted. However since you asked, here's one example He didn't go from popular to campaign over so quickly for no reason.


I would hardly call that "pandering and ridiculously transparently playing politics". No doubt he's changed positions on issues like all serious presidential candidates do, but softening your opposition to certain segments of the party is a necessity when going from a prominent member under the "big tent" to leading everybody under the tent.

As for why he lost the popularity he had during the past few years, I offer two reasons:

1. He was a media favorite because he was considered a "maverick", who would, indeed, say what he thought no matter what. Now this made him popular with the media and the left, because many times he would break ranks from the President and most other Republicans. Of course, this also caused many Republicans/conservatives to sour on him as he would always seem to be on the "other side" of certain issues (immigration, McCain/Feingold, Gang of 14, etc.). Since he is now in a Republican primary race, that image has hurt him somewhat.

2. Now that he is running for President, to the left (and media), his differences with other Republicans matter less than the many issues on which he agrees with most of the Republicans (national Defense/foreign policy being the big one). After all, if you want an anti-Bush candidate, there are many better ones on the other side. It's like if Joe Lieberman was running again this year. While I appreciate and respect his views on defense and foreign policy, I doubt I would agree with him on much else, and would support most any Republican candidate over him. To that effect, I would be weary of giving him any support that could be used against a conservative nominee.

Edit: Just in case I wasn't clear, reason #1 is why he lost favor with the right, #2 is why he lost favor with the left.

Side note #1: While I don't doubt he felt strongly about his positions, it seemed sometimes that he was enjoying the media attention a little too much and maybe "pandered" to them a little more than he needed to at times. While pandering to the voters may not be ideal, pandering to the media isn't much better.

Side note #2: Even with what I said above, I still like McCain. He has been one of the best Republican voices on defense and foreign policy and I would have no trouble voting for him. There would probably be times during a McCain presidency when I would not agree at all with him, but overall, he would definitely be better that any of the Democratic candidates.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Pie Racist
11/01/2007 @ 09:11:32 AM
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Maybe I'm being naive but I really don't think people's respect for McCain was based in his disagreeing with the President per se. I really do think it was more about him seeming like a breath of fresh air compared to the other "I'll say anything for a vote" politicians.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich
11/01/2007 @ 11:43:29 AM
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I don't want to sound defeatist or pessimistic, or anything, but you really can't tell squat about a person during their campaigns. Atleast that's what I believe. I can put on a nice suit, smile to a camera and say, "I'm for cutting taxes, stiffening import laws, and reconceilling with the Arabs!" just like anyone can.

The difference is whether or not; 1) They'll actually try 2) They know what they're saying or 3) If they are even telling the truth.

For the first option, some candidates have the full intention of following through with their promises, but get caught up in the daily business of running an office. Just like here in my office, I'll have every intention of calling so-and-so about his project, but once I get past the 80 emails and 5 voicemails, I've forgotten. In their case, someone- regardless of who- can stand in the way or block their efforts.

I think the best way to pick a candidate is to look at their resume and see what they have done in their political careers. If a candidate promises to lower taxes but has hiked them up every time they could, then you have your answers.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/01/2007 @ 12:00:02 PM
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Not to mention the president really doesn't have the power to do anything, even if he/she wanted to really really bad. Well, at least they don't have the power unless they make up non existent rights.
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11/02/2007 @ 07:22:24 AM
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i agree with carlos, you cant tell a canidate from his campaign i mean hitler sounded better than some canadates today when he was first campaigning... and excuse me for my bad spelling....personally i think the president has way too much power. being able to veto a bill like that and just killing it when more than half the country wants it passed including the senate and congress.... its just wrong.... i hope that people remember him right now for the dirty texas scoundrel he really is, and not butter him up when he is dying like they did to reagan......... all i got to say today im out...
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/02/2007 @ 08:52:13 AM
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Well I think the president should be able to veto a bill, since...well, what else would he do then. I just don't like the line item veto.

Sarah is going to be at a lunch with Doyle today.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
11/02/2007 @ 11:02:11 AM
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I'm pretty sure Hitler sounded like a bigot even in the beginning. He got to power offering someone an ethnic scape goat. We know how this story ends...
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
11/02/2007 @ 04:29:41 PM
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He wasn't there.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3354 Posts
11/12/2007 @ 07:20:02 PM
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Since people seemed to like these, here are two more candidate selectors I came across:

1. Glassbooth quiz

2. SelectSmart Quiz

I like the Glassbooth one more, but the SelectSmart one is interesting because it ranks many of the minor candidates and those who have dropped out as well.
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matt.jpgMatt - 3354 Posts
11/12/2007 @ 07:29:07 PM
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My results:

Glassbooth:
McCain - 80%
Huckabee - 78
Guiliani - 76
Hunter - 75
FDT - 74
Tancredo - 71
Romney - 69
Biden - 58

SelectSmart:
Colbert - 96%
Gingrich - 90
Hagel - 84
Brownback - 83
Hunter - 82
Romney - 81
Keyes - 80
FDT - 79
Tancredo, McCain - 78
Gilmore, Guiliani - 70
Paul - 62

I'm not sure how accurate some of the positions are for the guys who dropped out, since some of them never really were in it enought to fully flesh out their platform.
Anyway, out of those running, the Select Smart gives me:

Hunter
Romney
Keyes (forget he's actually running)
FDT
Tancredo
McCain
Guliani
Paul
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11/12/2007 @ 09:16:06 PM
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Edwards 75 %
Dodd 71 %
Clinton 70 %
Obama 67 %

The SelectSmart didn't come back with any results.
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11/12/2007 @ 09:56:06 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 10/30/2007 @ 03:05:12 PM
Try this out- an easy way to give yourself a label! http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Carl's result, Right-leaning Libertarian In other news, I scored 2 out of 10 on the George Bush Loyalty Quiz: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blgeorgewbushquiz.htm


Centrist.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/13/2007 @ 12:14:01 AM
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* 1 Dennis Kucinich 85% similarity
* 2 Mike Gravel 81% similarity
* 3 Bill Richardson 80% similarity


1. Theoretical Ideal Candidate (100%)
2. Barack Obama (90%) Information link
3. Dennis Kucinich (84%) Information link
4. Alan Augustson (campaign suspended) (82%) Information link
5. Joseph Biden (82%) Information link
6. Wesley Clark (not running, endorsed Clinton) (82%) Information link
7. Hillary Clinton (82%) Information link
8. Al Gore (not announced) (81%) Information link
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?"
11/13/2007 @ 12:22:02 AM
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Matt, what does it say about you that they based this off Colbert's over the top purposely radical positions voiced on his show?
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
11/13/2007 @ 08:22:09 AM
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According to:

Glassboot-
Fred Thompson- 74%
Chris Dodd- 64%
Mitt Romney- 64%

Selectsmart-
John McCain- 76
Mitt Romney- 68
Fred Thompson- 64
Rudy- 64
Colbert- 58

Well, I answered them the same, but I have John McCain out of left field.
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matt.jpgMatt - Washington Bureau Chief
11/13/2007 @ 10:55:54 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 11/13/2007 @ 12:22:02 AM
Matt, what does it say about you that they based this off Colbert's over the top purposely radical positions voiced on his show?


Well, the positions he takes aren't "radical" in the sense that they are mostly mainstream conservative and/or libertarian, so there should be similarity. That doesn't mean that I would agree with the reasons/motives he gives for these positions, which tend to be exaggerations based off of what liberals "say" are the reasons/motives behind these policy preferences.

For example, take the minimum wage question. It gives you the choice of preferring a candidate that has a history of:
1. Supporting minimum wage increases
2. Opposing minimum wage increases
3. Neither

Now, if you chose #2 (which I did), you are considered to 100% agree with Colbert. If you look at the sources given on the site though, they use this quote of Colbert's as reason for his choice: "Subject is minimum wage. I'm against it." "The point is I am here to tell you that your sacrifice will be rewarded because if you keep sacrificing your benefits long enough and if your wages get low enough we'll get those jobs back from China. And let me be the first to say You're Welcome."

Of course that's a joke answer meant, in part, to play towards the view that Republicans are uncaring towards workers, but it doesn't really touch the reasons why most people who oppose minimum wages do so. That's where this (and pretty much every other candidate selector/quiz) fails. It's forced to pigeonhole a wide variety of answers into a general either/or type of question.
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
11/13/2007 @ 11:01:14 AM
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Matt Wrote - 11/13/2007 @ 10:55:54 AM
Of course that's a joke answer meant, in part, to play towards the view that Republicans are uncaring towards workers, but it doesn't really touch the reasons why most people who oppose minimum wages do so. That's where this (and pretty much every other candidate selector/quiz) fails. It's forced to pigeonhole a wide variety of answers into a general either/or type of question.


Where does the joke come into play? emoticon
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