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2009 Draft

Shall we do this dance again?

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Put the draft for August 20 at 8:00 CST

Thoughts? It's not during a Packer or Viking Pre-Season game this year.
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matt.jpgMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
08/07/2009 @ 12:07:09 AM
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Didn't we agree to get rid of the def. player for this year.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
08/07/2009 @ 07:16:49 AM
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Def player is the worst fantasy position ever. It is the ultimate crap shoot no matter how well you know your players.
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - Bring down the Beast!!!
08/07/2009 @ 09:39:17 AM
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I vote we replace QB yards with quality throws.
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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
08/07/2009 @ 05:24:12 PM
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Matt Wrote - Today @ 12:07:09 AM
Didn't we agree to get rid of the def. player for this year.


Ok... got rid of it. Any other suggestions?
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
08/07/2009 @ 05:41:18 PM
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Sarah Wrote - Today @ 05:24:12 PM
Matt Wrote - Today @ 12:07:09 AM
Didn't we agree to get rid of the def. player for this year.
Ok... got rid of it. Any other suggestions?
Micah Wrote - Today @ 09:39:17 AM
I vote we replace QB yards with quality throws.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
08/07/2009 @ 06:38:14 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 05:41:18 PM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 05:24:12 PM
Matt Wrote - Today @ 12:07:09 AM
Didn't we agree to get rid of the def. player for this year.
Ok... got rid of it. Any other suggestions?
Micah Wrote - Today @ 09:39:17 AM
I vote we replace QB yards with quality throws.


Sorry, I'll get right on that.
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jon.jpgJon - 2880 Posts
08/08/2009 @ 03:36:43 AM
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I liked the D player. When I had a good one.

I am the Brett Favre of fantasy football. I can't decide if I want to go through it again.

Which reminds me, I'm going to go shoo Rachel Nichols off my lawn.
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
08/08/2009 @ 08:48:01 AM
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Jon Wrote - Today @ 03:36:43 AM
I liked the D player. When I had a good one.

I am the Brett Favre of fantasy football. I can't decide if I want to go through it again.

Which reminds me, I'm going to go shoo Rachel Nichols off my lawn.


Maybe, except in your case, nobody cares...
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - So's your face
08/08/2009 @ 07:30:58 PM
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If anyone's interested in scouting some players, the Packers family fun night is being streamed online at fox11online.com, although apparently there is a rain delay.
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IMG_3063[1].jpgjthompto
08/14/2009 @ 06:54:37 AM
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You should switch the league to head to head, but i will still play even if you don't.
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
08/14/2009 @ 08:07:51 AM
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head-to-head really doesn't show how good you are for the entire year. It literally is only a measure of how you do against one person for one giving week. The non-head-to-head format means you are playing against everyone every week.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children.
08/14/2009 @ 09:37:39 AM
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Plus a good 2-3 people just stop paying attention altogether 4-5 weeks in, which makes head-to-head worse cause they'll deliver losses to 3 teams, and then the rest of the year their starting QB and RB are on IR and it's a free win for everyone else.
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - Bring down the Beast!!!
08/14/2009 @ 12:15:49 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:07:51 AM
head-to-head really doesn't show how good you are for the entire year. It literally is only a measure of how you do against one person for one giving week.


So just like all other sports?
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
08/14/2009 @ 12:24:49 PM
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Micah Wrote - Today @ 01:15:49 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:07:51 AM
head-to-head really doesn't show how good you are for the entire year. It literally is only a measure of how you do against one person for one giving week.
So just like all other sports?


Except that this is fantasy sports. I don't think the same rules apply.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
08/14/2009 @ 01:04:43 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 09:37:39 AM
Plus a good 2-3 people just stop paying attention altogether 4-5 weeks in, which makes head-to-head worse cause they'll deliver losses to 3 teams, and then the rest of the year their starting QB and RB are on IR and it's a free win for everyone else.


Of course, it's possible that those people stop paying attention because they know by then that they won't win and they have nothing left to play for. This may be different in a head-to-head league, since playing for the win each week can be motivation enough to stay with the league, as well as the fact that as long as you can make the playoffs, anything can happen.

This isn't meant as an endorsement of a head-to-head league, I really don't care much either way, just bringing it up.

Also, if the sticking point is people who stop paying attention to their teams, there is an easy solution to that.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - Washington Bureau Chief
08/14/2009 @ 01:12:47 PM
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I know I brought this up with Jon last year, but I'm not sure if I mentioned it anywhere else. Anyway, my idea is that we do our draft for the regular, total points league, but then create a separate head-to-head league with the same players. Any roster move made in the first league will be mirrored in the second. This way, it could act as a rough experiment to see how the standings can differ over the two formats.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!?
08/14/2009 @ 02:52:02 PM
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Wouldn't one of them be a big pain in the ass for whoever was commish?
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Pie Racist
08/14/2009 @ 02:53:58 PM
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Would a second league even be necessary? All the one league would be is a schedule, followed by a seeded playoffs, using the roster/points from the points league. Seems like we could more or less just keep track of the "head to head" version on here.
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Jeremy messed with this at 08/14/2009 2:54:32 pm
newalex.jpgAlex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated
08/14/2009 @ 04:45:02 PM
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You could. But dealing with bye weeks (and roster moves) can require a different strategy in head to head leagues. If say you have a good kicker but he has a bye but the team you're playing that week is horrible, you could potentially afford to keep your kicker and let him put up a 0 because you'll probably win anyway. You would be less likely to do this in rotisserie. Point being that over the course of a season, given the same starting roster for the week I probably would not end up with the same lineup every time in a head to head and rotisserie league. I know this because I usually do a least 1 head to head in addition to this league.

I guess it still could be done as a test. The scoring difference probably doesn't affect draft strategy as much, we could have one draft, copy the results to a head to head league and play that one separately from that point forward. I don't if Yahoo! provides an easy way to copy draft results though.
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IMG_3063[1].jpgjthompto - 209 Posts
08/14/2009 @ 10:22:35 PM
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Matt Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM
Plus a good 2-3 people just stop paying attention altogether 4-5 weeks in, which makes head-to-head worse cause they'll deliver losses to 3 teams, and then the rest of the year their starting QB and RB are on IR and it's a free win for everyone else.
Of course, it's possible that those people stop paying attention because they know by then that they won't win and they have nothing left to play for. This may be different in a head-to-head league, since playing for the win each week can be motivation enough to stay with the league, as well as the fact that as long as you can make the playoffs, anything can happen. This isn't meant as an endorsement of a head-to-head league, I really don't care much either way, just bringing it up. Also, if the sticking point is people who stop paying attention to their teams, there is an easy solution to that.


Pretty much my point. Last year I got off to a rough start and had no prayer of catching up to the leaders. In head to head, you could go on a winning streak and get yourself back in the picture, especially if there was a playoff brackett at the end.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8986 Posts
08/14/2009 @ 11:33:50 PM
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Yeah, that is a factor, but we've also had 5-6 people over the years who basically just forget they're in this league. Also, if you're way behind in points you're pretty likely to get way behind record wise, and you're probably not a new kicker and a 3rd RB pickup away from redeeming the season record wise either. (It's more likely you can come back, it's just not a cure for the screw-it-I'm-way-behindsies either.)
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
08/15/2009 @ 08:51:54 AM
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Here are my pros and cons of head-to-head vs points based:

Head-to-head pros:
1) each week is independent; a bad week or couple of weeks doesn't hurt you for the whole season
2) Your "opponents" are only on a small set of players each week; you don't have to root against EVERYONE that isn't on your team
3) This type of league includes playoffs, which can add a little more excitement

Head-to-head cons:
1) Each week is independent; a really really good week only helps you for that one week (other than breaking a tie in record). You can't take your points with you for the rest of the season
2) Too much "luck" is involved. You may have the 2nd best week in your league, but you're playing the guy who had the best week. So now you've achieved a loss, while another guy who you technically beat by 40 points played an even weaker opponent and won.

Points based pros:
1) every point counts; the points add up for the entire season, so good weeks don't get lost in the "head-to-head" isolation of the one week format
2) You are playing everyone every week. You don't have to worry about "beating" any one opponent. You can put your focus hating EVERYONE
3) Bye weeks really don't matter. Since everyone has to deal with bye weeks, it really doesn't matter when you have to account for them, since you won't have to worry about your "opponent" having all his regulars playing while you have to figure out who to use as you starting QB, RB, and WR.

Points based Cons
1) A few bad weeks can put you in an unclimboutable whole
2) You are playing everyone every week, so every week carries with it the potential of having to root against your favorite players because they aren't on your team.

It's really a matter of opinion which one you like better. I almost feel like Head-To-Head leagues would suit the more casual gamer because literally you only have to worry about each weak one at a time, while the points based leagues are much more holistic.
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
08/15/2009 @ 09:44:07 AM
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I was reading an article about Hull City (English soccer team) and one point the author made was that American sports fans/media put too much emphasis on winning the championship and anything less is failure. In rotisserie, you could have a bad first half and have no shot of winning, but most likely you would still have a chance to move up in the standings. That's still something to play for. Your Yahoo! fantasy profile differentiates between 2nd and last. Speaking of which, this will be my 100th team.
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
08/15/2009 @ 02:04:53 PM
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“If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?”--Vince Lombardi
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4128 Posts
08/15/2009 @ 04:31:41 PM
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I think either way we do it, we're always going to have those people who stop paying attention after week 2 or whatever. If we go head to head, those people affect others more directly than if we just do points. We could do two leagues to see if that's really true but that might be too much work. And who wants that?
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2887.gifAlex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose
08/15/2009 @ 10:51:46 PM
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Why is ESPN making me watch Merrill Hoge in August? How annoying. I want more baseball and soccer, not practice football. We talkin' bout practice.
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jon.jpgJon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert
08/15/2009 @ 11:42:30 PM
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Hey here's a thought. Since the current draft time doesn't work for me, I say we move it to a Wednesday starting about 7:00pm CT. I know this is short notice for our current time, but we can move it back a week or so too since we do have a lot of time before the season starts. Later drafts mean better info anyway.

As for head to head v. total points,
Micah Wrote - Yesterday @ 12:15:49 PM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:07:51 AM
head-to-head really doesn't show how good you are for the entire year. It literally is only a measure of how you do against one person for one giving week.


So just like all other sports?


The difference of course is that in real sports one team directly affects the play of another. Not so in fantasy. To me, head to head has always seemed a little nonsensical because of this. Though I do see the appeal as far as keeping people interested and all that. I do however agree with Alex in that there's something to be said for just trying to improve your standing. I had a really good time acheiving like 3rd or 4th place the other year because I made a decent comeback. Even if it was just because people stopped caring. I was satisfied.


Scott Wrote - Today @ 02:04:53 PM
“If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?”--Vince Lombardi


I'm not sure if I've mentioned this before on here, but I personally think Vince Lombardi quotes are right up there with the most annoying things in sports. And not just because I dislike the Packers. People always quote him despite the fact that most of the sentiments behind the quotes are pretty lame.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4128 Posts
08/16/2009 @ 10:17:35 AM
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Jon Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:42:30 PM
Hey here's a thought. Since the current draft time doesn't work for me, I say we move it to a Wednesday starting about 7:00pm CT. I know this is short notice for our current time, but we can move it back a week or so too since we do have a lot of time before the season starts. Later drafts mean better info anyway.


Since nobody else has complained about the time in the week and a half I've had this posted, if other people can't make the Wednesday time, I'm not going to change it. I'll send out an email from our league and find out what people think. It might also be that draft times are already taken on Wednesdays at 7, but we will find out.

The Commish has spoken.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
08/16/2009 @ 11:11:30 AM
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7pm should be ok, but no earlier please.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
08/16/2009 @ 11:24:04 AM
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Jon Wrote - Today @ 12:42:30 AM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 03:04:53 PM
“If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?”--Vince Lombardi
I'm not sure if I've mentioned this before on here, but I personally think Vince Lombardi quotes are right up there with the most annoying things in sports. And not just because I dislike the Packers. People always quote him despite the fact that most of the sentiments behind the quotes are pretty lame.


I googled "quotes about winning" and that was one of the first quotes that came up. So I used it. I don't actually hold those beliefs highlighted in that quote, by the way.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - So's your face
08/18/2009 @ 06:14:04 PM
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Draft has been changed to Aug 26th at 7:00 CST.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - "Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else."
08/19/2009 @ 03:04:25 PM
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Scott Wrote - 08/16/2009 @ 11:24:04 AM
Jon Wrote - 08/15/2009 @ 11:42:30 PM
Scott Wrote - 08/15/2009 @ 02:04:53 PM
“If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?”--Vince Lombardi
I'm not sure if I've mentioned this before on here, but I personally think Vince Lombardi quotes are right up there with the most annoying things in sports. And not just because I dislike the Packers. People always quote him despite the fact that most of the sentiments behind the quotes are pretty lame.
I googled "quotes about winning" and that was one of the first quotes that came up. So I used it. I don't actually hold those beliefs highlighted in that quote, by the way.


So as a kid you were happy that you got trophies for last place? Screw that. Only in a commune is everyone equal. In business, in life, in sports, those who put forth the extra effort or have that extra advantage are rewarded.

Winning is everything... anyone who thinks otherwise is a sissy. (or in business, they're broke)
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8986 Posts
08/19/2009 @ 03:48:09 PM
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Alex Wrote - 08/15/2009 @ 09:44:07 AM
I was reading an article about Hull City (English soccer team) and one point the author made was that American sports fans/media put too much emphasis on winning the championship and anything less is failure. In rotisserie, you could have a bad first half and have no shot of winning, but most likely you would still have a chance to move up in the standings. That's still something to play for. Your Yahoo! fantasy profile differentiates between 2nd and last. Speaking of which, this will be my 100th team.


Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 03:04:25 PM
So as a kid you were happy that you got trophies for last place? Screw that. Only in a commune is everyone equal. In business, in life, in sports, those who put forth the extra effort or have that extra advantage are rewarded.

Winning is everything... anyone who thinks otherwise is a sissy. (or in business, they're broke)


We've discussed this somewhere, because I remember Jon or me making the joke that we were a bunch of Viking fans talking about how people put too much emphasis on the Championship or not being the only deciding factor in success or failure being pretty stupid. Having a good team is its own reward. The season can be its own reward. Granted, you can have a team that's so good, say an undefeated team, that losing the championship is that much more devastating, but that season is still worth something. Superbowls have been won 43 times, 2 teams have had undefeated regular seasons. The Bills going to 4 Super Bowls in a row is more impressive than the Giants winning one against them. The CC Sabathia era in Milwaukee was still a sight to behold whether or not the Brewers went all the way. Joe Mauer finding power while flirting with .400 isn't any less amazing if the Twins don't go all the way.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
08/21/2009 @ 09:02:45 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 08/19/2009 @ 04:48:09 PM
Alex Wrote - 08/15/2009 @ 10:44:07 AM
I was reading an article about Hull City (English soccer team) and one point the author made was that American sports fans/media put too much emphasis on winning the championship and anything less is failure. In rotisserie, you could have a bad first half and have no shot of winning, but most likely you would still have a chance to move up in the standings. That's still something to play for. Your Yahoo! fantasy profile differentiates between 2nd and last. Speaking of which, this will be my 100th team.
Carlos44ec Wrote - 08/19/2009 @ 04:04:25 PM
So as a kid you were happy that you got trophies for last place? Screw that. Only in a commune is everyone equal. In business, in life, in sports, those who put forth the extra effort or have that extra advantage are rewarded. Winning is everything... anyone who thinks otherwise is a sissy. (or in business, they're broke)
We've discussed this somewhere, because I remember Jon or me making the joke that we were a bunch of Viking fans talking about how people put too much emphasis on the Championship or not being the only deciding factor in success or failure being pretty stupid. Having a good team is its own reward. The season can be its own reward. Granted, you can have a team that's so good, say an undefeated team, that losing the championship is that much more devastating, but that season is still worth something. Superbowls have been won 43 times, 2 teams have had undefeated regular seasons. The Bills going to 4 Super Bowls in a row is more impressive than the Giants winning one against them. The CC Sabathia era in Milwaukee was still a sight to behold whether or not the Brewers went all the way. Joe Mauer finding power while flirting with .400 isn't any less amazing if the Twins don't go all the way.


Jeremy, I agree 100%! Mark the date. When you aren't "winning", you, as a fan, have to find things to celebrate. And as that fan, these things can be equally as fulfilling and exciting as the win itself.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
08/25/2009 @ 07:54:53 PM
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Don't forget the draft tomorrow at 7 CST. Was there anything else that should be changed?
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
08/25/2009 @ 07:55:51 PM
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Did somebody boot somebody from the league?
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
08/25/2009 @ 07:57:54 PM
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I booted a random person who joined our league, some sort of spammer with inappropriate pics. Runnin' a family show around here.
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newalex.jpgAlex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose
08/25/2009 @ 08:04:53 PM
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I don't know anything about any inappropriate pics, but I had invited my cousin to join since there were a few extra spots open...
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4128 Posts
08/25/2009 @ 08:15:26 PM
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Alex Wrote - Today @ 08:04:53 PM
I don't know anything about any inappropriate pics, but I had invited my cousin to join since there were a few extra spots open...


Ha. Well tell them to rejoin. Jeremy just tried looking up the person on Yahoo and the user profile had a pic that didn't seem like it was a real live person looking to play. Yea, tell them we're sorry and I won't kick them out if they come back.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
08/25/2009 @ 08:47:40 PM
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Apparently his account did actually get hacked but he says he changed his password now and cleaned it up.
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
08/26/2009 @ 12:40:52 PM
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I am behind whoever voted for head-to-head. Cumulative points is what makes people lose interest.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - You had me at "Hello"
08/27/2009 @ 07:59:05 AM
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Sarah Wrote - 08/18/2009 @ 06:14:04 PM
Draft has been changed to Aug 26th at 7:00 CST.


Hey, that's yesterday!
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scott.jpgScott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on?
08/27/2009 @ 08:24:43 AM
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Who got Favre?
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2887.gifAlex - Refactor Mercilessly
08/27/2009 @ 12:51:54 PM
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My cousin Nate, in the 10th round. He's a Packer fan. Apparently Viking fans involved in the draft aren't expecting much from Favre.
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IMG_3063[1].jpgjthompto
08/27/2009 @ 05:16:27 PM
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I kind of wanted him for my backup, but he went off the board before I expected.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4128 Posts
08/27/2009 @ 05:21:14 PM
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I was surprised scott micah and carl were not part of the league. What gives? Not good enough for ya?
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
08/27/2009 @ 07:33:25 PM
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I'm too competitive in things like these, and I am not willing to do my homework to adequately prepare myself for what needs to be done to succeed in the field of fantasy sports. That and my history of having like 4 or 5 leagues a year in each of a couple different sports, I've decided to abstain from fantasy sports for a while.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - You had me at "Hello"
08/28/2009 @ 12:24:05 PM
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part of it is like what Scott says, the other part is that I like the head-to-head kind of thing. Sticking to one team this year.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4128 Posts
08/28/2009 @ 06:15:19 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 12:24:05 PM
part of it is like what Scott says, the other part is that I like the head-to-head kind of thing. Sticking to one team this year.


Til the end?
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
08/31/2009 @ 07:45:56 AM
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resource allocation. Sometimes it comes down to how much time you have in regards to the likelihood that the investment will pay off. This year, I'll be down from 3 teams to one, with more going on.
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
09/03/2009 @ 08:16:41 PM
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Yeah I cut it down to one team this year too, and its a league where I play for money and have played for longer. I just don't care about football as much this year.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - You had me at "Hello"
09/04/2009 @ 08:48:47 AM
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See also: Detroit Lions 0-16 repeat prediction from Micah.
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - Bring down the Beast!!!
09/04/2009 @ 09:34:39 AM
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I think the Lions have the talent, ability and willpower to win 4 games this year. You heard it here first!!!!!!!
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flower .jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
01/03/2010 @ 10:01:36 AM
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Good luck to ACCarters, Maybe, and We're Coming. It should be an exciting day. Go PackOne!
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
01/03/2010 @ 10:18:48 AM
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PackOne Wrote - Today @ 10:01:36 AM
Good luck to ACCarters, Maybe, and We're Coming. It should be an exciting day. Go PackOne!


I think I'll try and make a run for it too...
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
01/03/2010 @ 06:23:30 PM
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Sarah Wrote - Today @ 10:18:48 AM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 10:01:36 AM
Good luck to ACCarters, Maybe, and We're Coming. It should be an exciting day. Go PackOne!


I think I'll try and make a run for it too...


I think I went from like 5th to last, to possibly finishing last for the year. Awesome!
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2887.gifAlex - Who controls the past now controls the future
01/04/2010 @ 12:22:08 AM
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Not that anyone cares, but in ESPN Gridiron Challenge I ended up 1,620th overall. emoticon
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flower .jpgPackOne - Well use me, use me, 'caus you ain't that average groupie.
01/04/2010 @ 10:11:30 AM
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Alex Wrote - Today @ 12:22:08 AM
Not that anyone cares, but in ESPN Gridiron Challenge I ended up 1,620th overall. emoticon


No one cares. Boo to the ACCarters... I'm always a bridesmaid.
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
01/04/2010 @ 01:20:24 PM
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PackOne Wrote - Today @ 11:11:30 AM
I'm always a bridesmaid.


No one cares.
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jon.jpgJon - 2880 Posts
01/08/2010 @ 03:12:37 AM
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Alex Wrote - 01/04/2010 @ 12:22:08 AM
Not that anyone cares, but in ESPN Gridiron Challenge I ended up 1,620th overall. emoticon


Wow, 1,620th? Of course, that sounds equally as impressive as if you said 3rd, 508th, 865,014th, or 1billionth since I have no idea how many people that is out of.

I think you did poorly though, since that emoticon seems to be playing taps.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
01/08/2010 @ 07:51:59 AM
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Jon Wrote - Today @ 04:12:37 AM
Alex Wrote - 01/04/2010 @ 01:22:08 AM
Not that anyone cares, but in ESPN Gridiron Challenge I ended up 1,620th overall. emoticon
Wow, 1,620th? Of course, that sounds equally as impressive as if you said 3rd, 508th, 865,014th, or 1billionth since I have no idea how many people that is out of. I think you did poorly though, since that emoticon seems to be playing taps.


If it was taps, the eyes would have been closed the whole time, I would think.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
01/08/2010 @ 01:29:30 PM
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I beat 99.4%, so roughly 270000. The emoticon name is tootmyhorn.gif
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