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matt.jpgMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
02/25/2009 @ 05:20:25 PM
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Forgot to mention that the draft is set for Friday, March 20 Tuesday, March 17 at 7:30pm. If too many people have problems with this time, I can see about changing it. Also, If anyone has suggestions for any rules/settings/etc. changes, speak up and we'll see if we can't use "consensus" to change some things. We're using democratic process here, I don't know if you guys understand that.


EDIT: Corrected draft date.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - A Vote for me is a Vote against Terrorism! ...or atleast just wasted.
02/25/2009 @ 05:54:07 PM
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I'm down- who wants to fight for 7th place?
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2887.gifAlex - Refactor Mercilessly
02/25/2009 @ 10:21:12 PM
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21st is a Saturday, and I vote for not having it during the 1st or 2nd round of March Madness.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3354 Posts
02/26/2009 @ 06:18:58 AM
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So it is. The correct date is Friday, March 20 at 7:30pm. As for changing the date, how about Tuesday the 17th at 7:30pm?
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
02/26/2009 @ 07:13:19 AM
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Was awesome intentionally misspelled to make me try to register for the league 8 times, while swearing at my computer and finally just copy and paste it like I should have the first time? Or was there a character limit on the password?

Carl, your team name will be destroyed. Also, this whole season I am going to think Sarah's team is actually Scott's team because of the name.

Twins are 1-0!!!!

Tuesday the 17th works for me, as do most MTW nights.
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Micah perfected this at 02/26/2009 7:14:07 am
scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
02/26/2009 @ 07:23:00 AM
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why, what is Sarah's team name?
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
02/26/2009 @ 07:25:31 AM
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I heart Corey Hart
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matt.jpgMatt - 3354 Posts
02/26/2009 @ 08:06:37 AM
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Micah Wrote - Today @ 07:13:19 AM
Was awesome intentionally misspelled to make me try to register for the league 8 times, while swearing at my computer and finally just copy and paste it like I should have the first time?


Yes, yes it was, and it seems to have worked like a charm.

Seriously though, checking the archive, it seems I made that mistake once before in the Opening Day... Again article. Since the words "Rivas" and "awesome" are so rarely seen in proximity to each other, I think my subconscious has been preventing me from spelling the word correctly. I guess I should have gone with Rivasucks instead.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - "Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else."
02/26/2009 @ 08:22:17 AM
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Micah Wrote - Today @ 07:13:19 AM
Carl, your team name will be destroyed. .


Changed, I-I-I don't wwwwant to be des...destroyed.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3354 Posts
02/26/2009 @ 12:09:01 PM
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Ok, so Alex can watch basketball, the draft time has been changed to Tuesday, March 17th at 7:30pm.
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
02/26/2009 @ 01:00:47 PM
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Clearly the Nut Can is not Irish...but neither am I so draft away.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
02/26/2009 @ 02:53:53 PM
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I might be sitting this year out. I haven't decided yet.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
02/26/2009 @ 07:04:27 PM
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Matt Wrote - Today @ 12:09:01 PM
Ok, so Alex can watch basketball, the draft time has been changed to Tuesday, March 17th at 7:30pm.
Day after major deadline Woo! Can't wait!
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
02/26/2009 @ 07:26:16 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 02:53:53 PM
I might be sitting this year out. I haven't decided yet.


Don't sit the year out. It's unsportsmanlike.
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - From your first cigarette to your last dyin' day.
02/26/2009 @ 08:10:28 PM
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Ill get in, I feel like we just stopped this.
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matt.jpgMatt - Ombudsman
03/16/2009 @ 01:39:09 AM
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Just a reminder, the draft is this Tuesday (the 17th) at 7:30pm.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 01:17:01 PM
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I vaguely remembered being dissatisfied with one of the stat categories last year but didn't see any posts of mine on the 2008 thread. I think it was Wins for pitchers. Can we replace that with Quality Starts, even if the definition of a quality start is too lax in the post live ball/steroid era? With all the number crunching nowadays "Wins" for a pitcher is one of the most meaningless but still highly valued stats.
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
03/17/2009 @ 01:44:27 PM
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Alex Wrote - Today @ 02:17:01 PM
I vaguely remembered being dissatisfied with one of the stat categories last year but didn't see any posts of mine on the 2008 thread. I think it was Wins for pitchers. Can we replace that with Quality Starts, even if the definition of a quality start is too lax in the post live ball/steroid era? With all the number crunching nowadays "Wins" for a pitcher is one of the most meaningless but still highly valued stats.


Ok, now you are taking the "fantasy" in fantasy baseball a bit too far.
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 02:18:31 PM
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As much as I don't like wins as a stat, quality starts is a horrible stat. If a pitcher pitches a complete game win and gives up 4 runs, its not considered quality. Plus it takes even more value away from relief pitchers.

Wins also make me feel like all nostalgic like a 1987 Topps baseball card.
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Micah messed with this at 03/17/2009 2:20:26 pm
vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - ...and Bob's your Uncle!
03/17/2009 @ 02:21:11 PM
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I love splitting hairs!
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 02:26:06 PM
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Go sit in your tower with your Ken Griffey, Jr. jersey
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Super Chocolate Bear
03/17/2009 @ 02:35:41 PM
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Well, I don't know. First off, it's a bit too close to go time to be working out this stuff. Secondly, we have already tweaked this quite a bit, it seems odd to have a league with no homeruns and no wins and whatnot, but I do agree that wins seems like a kind of stupid stat. Wins are pretty much just happenstance.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 02:36:05 PM
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I might wear it to the game... then again its the Twins opening game, and that would be a sign of dissention.

Might wear my Central High jersey, have to resew the numbers on though.
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 02:36:57 PM
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Is that the yellow one...is there a picture of you from high school not wearing that jersey?
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 02:38:54 PM
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03/17/2009 @ 02:40:10 PM
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busted
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - I believe virtually everything I read.
03/17/2009 @ 02:53:56 PM
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Apparently angelfire has some quirky remote loading rules.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - "Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else."
03/17/2009 @ 03:08:57 PM
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in that second picture we were cheering for whatever team was playing North at their homecoming. Classy!
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 05:19:04 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 02:35:41 PM
Well, I don't know. First off, it's a bit too close to go time to be working out this stuff.


Why? Have you been doing mock drafts and creating a detailed lists of pitcher rankings that would be thrown off with this change?

Scott Wrote - Today @ 01:44:27 PM
Ok, now you are taking the "fantasy" in fantasy baseball a bit too far.


I don't get it.

Micah Wrote - Today @ 02:18:31 PM
As much as I don't like wins as a stat, quality starts is a horrible stat. If a pitcher pitches a complete game win and gives up 4 runs, its not considered quality. Plus it takes even more value away from relief pitchers.


In and of itself I agree that's it not great. But if a pitcher gives up 10 runs in 6 innings and his team happens to score 20 that game, he still gets a win. QS + ERA + WHIP = better statistical representation of pitcher's performance than W + ERA + WHIP. And yes it takes away value from the relief pitcher who puts up 5 wins in a week pitching in 5 innings where his team happened to take the lead. Isn't that a good thing? It places more value of the starters who have to put up at least 6 innings a game to get a QS.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 05:25:17 PM
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Yeah, I also see that as a plus, if anything. It's happenstance to get a win as a starting pitcher. It's pretty much blind luck to get one as a reliever. It's not indicative of anything.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 05:44:46 PM
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Besides the luck part, one stat for only starters (QS) would balance out with one stat for only relievers (Saves).
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 08:21:02 PM
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Name a 20 game winner that wasn't a good pitcher. QS is a good stat to crunch, but from a fantasy standpoint, you gotta go pure baseball stats. That's my opinion.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
03/17/2009 @ 11:15:55 PM
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Well, no one is trying to make the case there isn't a correlation, just that it's a pretty lousy day-to-day kind of stat. Fewest losses would probably make more sense. A great pitching outing doesn't necessarily translate into a win, let alone getting the win, a bad outing probably translates into getting the loss. Either way you're talking about something that the entire team is responsible for, so in a lot of ways you're drafting the team as much as the player, which you could make the case as part of the fantasy "game," but personally I'd rather have all the stats be reflective, as much as possible, of what that player directly did, or didn't do.
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Jeremy edited this at 03/17/2009 11:16:38 pm
2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
03/18/2009 @ 12:23:24 AM
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Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:21:02 PM
Name a 20 game winner that wasn't a good pitcher. QS is a good stat to crunch, but from a fantasy standpoint, you gotta go pure baseball stats. That's my opinion.


That's hardly the point. Name a 10 game winner who could've been a 20 game winner on a team that could actually score some runs. Ben Sheets circa a couple years ago. Boom! It's more about pitchers that are undervalued because their team's offense stinks than pitchers that are overrated.

Plus, what is a "pure baseball stat"?
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - Even now in Heaven there are angels carrying savage weapons
03/18/2009 @ 12:43:57 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 12:15:55 AM
Well, no one is trying to make the case there isn't a correlation, just that it's a pretty lousy day-to-day kind of stat. Fewest losses would probably make more sense. A great pitching outing doesn't necessarily translate into a win, let alone getting the win, a bad outing probably translates into getting the loss. Either way you're talking about something that the entire team is responsible for, so in a lot of ways you're drafting the team as much as the player, which you could make the case as part of the fantasy "game," but personally I'd rather have all the stats be reflective, as much as possible, of what that player directly did, or didn't do.


I'd say losses have more correlation to bad hitting than bad pitching, but I have nothing to back that up
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Micah screwed with this at 03/18/2009 12:44:13 pm
jon.jpgJon - 1 bajillion posts
03/19/2009 @ 03:27:45 AM
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I'm not in the league, but I say Quality Starts equals lame. And it's even lamer than I previously thought too.

I knew 6IP with 3ER got a quality start, but I also assumed the 4.50era ceiling remained the cutoff for longer starts. But it doesn't. Double lame.

If you wanted some sort of weird pitching stat, off the top of my head I'd say "game score" would probably be more indicative of success, though I'm not really sure it works in fantasy, so maybe not.

Actually, I don't know if it really "works" in real life, so to speak, but, hey look at that, it's a Bill James stat. I guess there's some sort of credibility. Really, I have no idea.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
03/19/2009 @ 08:03:30 AM
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I think QS is an OK stat, but with the right perspective. It is a good as a "look-back" stat, where you can just get an idea of a pitcher who may be a bit better than his record. Because while a 4.50 ERA is nothing too impressive, a pitcher who gives up only 3 runs in a game shouldn't be credited with a loss, in a perfect baseball world.
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - Bring down the Beast!!!
03/19/2009 @ 08:48:00 AM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:03:30 AM
I think QS is an OK stat, but with the right perspective. It is a good as a "look-back" stat, where you can just get an idea of a pitcher who may be a bit better than his record. Because while a 4.50 ERA is nothing too impressive, a pitcher who gives up only 3 runs in a game shouldn't be credited with a loss, in a perfect baseball world.


Agreed on the perspective, but FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching) is pretty popular among crazy stat people, although I guess it is a replacement for ERA and not Wins.

Fielding Independent Pitching, a measure of all those things for which a pitcher is specifically responsible. The formula is (HR*13+(BB+HBP-IBB)*3-K*2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2) to round out the number to an equivalent ERA number. FIP helps you understand how well a pitcher pitched, regardless of how well his fielders fielded.
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - They just want the damn ash of that field
03/19/2009 @ 08:49:17 AM
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Also, my new five minutes of fun every day is apackaday.blogspot.com

The open a random pack of sports card every day and make comments on what they get along with scans of the front/back, cool pictures of players with bad mustaches from 1986 Topps cards, etc. Highly recommended.
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
04/16/2009 @ 01:13:10 PM
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"RHP Dan Haren, who made 24 quality starts last season, has two quality starts in two appearances this year but is looking for his first victory. He is 0-2 despite giving up seven hits and three earned runs in 13 innings, in a 3-0 loss to Colorado on April 7 and 3-1 loss to the Dodgers on Sunday. The D-backs have had five hits while Haren has been in the game.
(Yahoo! Sports)"
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matt.jpgMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
04/16/2009 @ 04:28:53 PM
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Maybe next year you'll propose the change earlier than the day of the draft.
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2887.gifAlex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated
04/20/2009 @ 01:00:50 PM
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RHP Dan Haren is 0-3 with a 1.89 ERA after a 2-0 loss in San Francisco on Friday despite three quality starts. The D-backs have scored one run in the 19 innings he has been on the mound. Since 1983, the only other pitcher to start 0-3 with an ERA under 2.00 was Cubs RHP Juan Cruz, according to Elias.
(Yahoo! Sports)
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - Shaken not stirred gets you cold water with a dash of gin and dry vermouth
04/23/2009 @ 08:31:06 AM
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Thank the lord Dan Haren got a win yesterday.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
04/23/2009 @ 09:23:25 AM
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I see your extrcurricular reading is changing you, Micah.
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flower .jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
04/27/2009 @ 09:58:27 PM
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Why does my team always suck.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
06/25/2009 @ 09:36:18 AM
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RHP Dan Haren made his big-league-leading 14th quality start Wednesday, but once again he had little to show for it but solid numbers and a "hang with 'em." Despite giving up two runs and four hits in seven innings, and retiring the final 11 batters he faced, Haren fell to 6-5 after a 2-1 loss to Texas.
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
06/30/2009 @ 01:18:58 PM
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As a standalone stat, wouldn't it be better if total bases include walks? I feel like I'm not getting my money's worth with Adrian Gonzalez's league leading 63 walks, especially when OBP is still my worst hitting category (actually worst overall).
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