The 2008 Baseball Season is almost upon us

02/13/2008 8:20 pm
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Pitchers and catchers report to spring training on Saturday! Oh boy.
vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
02/14/2008 @ 07:47:23 AM
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I'm reposting this here- it's from yesterday:

--Twins sign Livan Hernandez to a 5 mil 1 year contract. He's a 200 innings per season veteran, but his numbers last year for hits given up and runs against were 1st and 2nd in the NL last year. Is this guy a good thing or a bad thing?--

After thinking about it, if good ol pitching coach (Anderson?) can drop is ERA a few points, say .20, he won't be so darn bad at all! Welcome to MN.
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
02/14/2008 @ 12:31:08 PM
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He'll eat innings if nothing else. I don't think the Twins are expecting an All-Star type performance from him.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
02/14/2008 @ 01:27:36 PM
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Something is better than nothing. We had two or three good pitchers last year, and the rest were inning eaters. Good year, bad year- just can't wait for baseball!

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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
02/14/2008 @ 05:17:38 PM
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How was the nutcan off season workout program?
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
02/14/2008 @ 05:45:06 PM
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can't you see the avatar doing jumping jacks? I think that's the extent of the nutcan workout program
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flower .jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
02/14/2008 @ 08:04:12 PM
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Well your team came on strong at the end of the season, this summer could finally be "the" year.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
02/15/2008 @ 05:58:03 AM
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PackOne Wrote - 02/14/2008 @ 08:04:12 PM
Well your team came on strong at the end of the season, this summer could finally be "the" year.


We always come on strong in the end, that's how we roll. We'd be good in the beginning if we practiced ahead of time. The first round is our training camp.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Super Chocolate Bear
02/15/2008 @ 09:18:41 AM
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I think you mean "spring training."
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flower .jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
02/15/2008 @ 10:18:51 AM
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Ball. Sorry, I have to live vicariously through last year, since I don't have any free agent offers this season.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Pie Racist
02/15/2008 @ 03:38:13 PM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2008/news/story?id=3247082

Condeleezza Rice hates the twins.
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newalex.jpgAlex - Refactor Mercilessly
02/15/2008 @ 06:59:38 PM
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What is the rationale for the sobriety test? This is just kind of odd.
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
02/15/2008 @ 10:35:25 PM
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I will be at Spring Training games from March 21-26....sweet
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02/18/2008 @ 09:15:19 PM
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http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1802744

hilarious!
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - The Harvard comma's #1 fan.
02/18/2008 @ 09:50:25 PM
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Super funny man.
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
02/18/2008 @ 10:13:33 PM
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I'd say fairly entertaining. You'd think he would know better.
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02/22/2008 @ 09:50:55 AM
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Micah Wrote - 02/15/2008 @ 10:35:25 PM
I will be at Spring Training games from March 21-26....sweet


You going to be in Arizona or Florida? If AZ let me know ill meet up with ya.
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - Even now in Heaven there are angels carrying savage weapons
02/23/2008 @ 07:34:47 PM
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No I'm going to FL to see the Twins, but maybe I'll come to AZ sometime...I have a lot of vacation to use up.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
03/31/2008 @ 01:27:06 PM
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Just want to know if any of you 'canners will be at Twins home opener tonight. If so, you better leave town now, the snow's coming down pretty hard.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
03/31/2008 @ 04:50:49 PM
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Cubs and Brewers have had a couple of Rain delays. Sheets pitched a gem, but won't get the win.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
03/31/2008 @ 05:54:43 PM
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Brewers won! They made it interesting by scoring 3 runs in the 9th and then giving three in the ninth. But they got their season off right. This may sound like no big deal, but the Brewersr committed no errors. That'll be important to keep an eye on the rest of the season. Here's to 1987 and another 13-0 start!
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - Well use me, use me, 'caus you ain't that average groupie.
03/31/2008 @ 06:30:19 PM
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I'm not as happy until I see the Gagne highlights/lowlights.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
03/31/2008 @ 09:30:59 PM
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Get on the Gomez band wagon now. The Twins game was awesome-o.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
03/31/2008 @ 10:13:03 PM
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I was on his wagon the first time I heard his name. It's too cool to be coincidence.
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jon.jpgJon - infinity + 1 posts
04/01/2008 @ 01:20:43 AM
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Don't forget 1991
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
04/01/2008 @ 08:22:47 AM
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Great outting, glad it started at 6 instead of 7.

Very happy with Gomez and a couple of the newbies, but it seems that there are a couple of holes between 3B and SS that have to get plugged- two hits went through there.

Livan looked good, happy to have him aboard. Did you also see that most of our "old guys" were great at bat? Except Morneau, who had a bad day.

Happy to see the Brewers won- good times!
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3354 Posts
04/01/2008 @ 05:45:21 PM
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Sarah Wrote - 03/31/2008 @ 09:30:59 PM
Get on the Gomez band wagon now. The Twins game was awesome-o.


How come you didn't start him last night?
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
04/01/2008 @ 07:21:34 PM
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Mmm Hmm, that's right!
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
04/01/2008 @ 07:47:05 PM
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I thought he'd still be a little hurt.... he'll be starting from here on out, that's fo' sure
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich
04/02/2008 @ 07:33:58 AM
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Well last night's game was one to forget, I half-way wish it wasn't shown.
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
04/02/2008 @ 06:33:09 PM
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Brewers are 2-0, and most importantly, they are 2.0 against the cubs on the season.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
04/02/2008 @ 06:59:33 PM
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So let me set the record at least somewhat straight (this should help, should someone later accuse me of band-wagon action).

My teams are (in order) Twins, Brewers, D'backs, Padres.
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flower .jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
04/02/2008 @ 10:02:41 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 04/02/2008 @ 06:59:33 PM
So let me set the record at least somewhat straight (this should help, should someone later accuse me of band-wagon action). My teams are (in order) Twins, Brewers, D'backs, Padres.


Brewers, Twins, White Sox, Cubs
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jon.jpgJon - 1000000 posts (and counting!)
04/03/2008 @ 04:19:02 AM
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Scott Wrote - 04/02/2008 @ 06:33:09 PM
Brewers...are 2.0 against the cubs on the season.


Is that like, Brewers v2.0?
New and improved! (Eric Gagne patch now available.)
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scott.jpgScott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on?
04/06/2008 @ 09:28:21 PM
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Brewers are 5-1. Yay!
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
04/07/2008 @ 07:49:30 AM
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How 'bout them Tigers? Magnum would be proud!
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - Don't mess with Jeremy. He owns your tag lines.
04/12/2008 @ 03:20:22 PM
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Santana sucks Sheets rules. The End.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
04/12/2008 @ 03:58:55 PM
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Yeah, don't worry Twins fans. Santana clearly doesn't have the same mojo he had with the Twins. He even gave up a homer to Gabe Kapler of all people.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
04/13/2008 @ 12:26:45 AM
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It wouldn't be a Santana start without at least one token home run.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
04/13/2008 @ 08:19:20 AM
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how about 3 token home runs. (although Bill Hall has 5, so his wasn't exactly charity.)
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
04/13/2008 @ 09:31:43 AM
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Liriano is pitching today!
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - I'm flippin' burgers / you at Kinko's straight flippin' copies
04/13/2008 @ 03:01:03 PM
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5 walks...ouch
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flower .jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
04/13/2008 @ 04:43:21 PM
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The Crew.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
04/13/2008 @ 08:12:24 PM
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Liriano did not look fantastic by any stretch
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - "Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else."
05/14/2008 @ 02:16:58 PM
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3-4 with Boston? That's Tasty! Then we lost to the Jays...
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
05/14/2008 @ 05:30:52 PM
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Yea, I don't understand it, aren't the Blue Jays supposed to be bad, like really bad? I think the Twins didn't really give it their all in the 9th like they usually do, although I liked seeing Gomez and Kubel's homeruns and J-Mo's triple.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - Since 1980!
05/15/2008 @ 07:22:26 AM
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I was at the game last night, we excused ourselves politely after the 8th. It was getting late, you know.
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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
05/15/2008 @ 08:11:12 AM
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You were one of those people? Man, like half the crowd left! Where were you seated? We were in Section 125.
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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
05/15/2008 @ 08:27:22 AM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 05/15/2008 @ 07:22:26 AM
I was at the game last night, we excused ourselves politely after the 8th. It was getting late, you know.

Sarah Wrote - 05/15/2008 @ 08:11:12 AM
You were one of those people? Man, like half the crowd left! Where were you seated? We were in Section 125.


We were at tuesday's game. I'm assuming Carl was at wednesday's. Yes? No?
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
05/15/2008 @ 08:42:25 AM
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Yes, Wednesday was a bad day. When I get company tickets I'm in 121 row 22 (this was the case last night)

When I don't get them, I get whatever lower reserve are best. Opening night I got 116 or so
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
05/15/2008 @ 03:14:39 PM
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My kids will likely now see Ryan Braun play for the Brewers!!!! 8 year deal!
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
05/15/2008 @ 03:54:31 PM
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They let you have kids? Do you have to give them back?
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05/17/2008 @ 12:09:09 AM
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Whats with you people that cheer for the Packers and Twins, jeez pick a freaking state already, thats just wrong!
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jacobpeterdad.jpgbozz_2006 - 29 Posts
05/17/2008 @ 04:55:46 PM
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I'm not picking a state, i'm picking a team. There's a difference. I don't like the Packers because I like Wisconsin; i like the Packers because they kick ass. I love the Twins, but I hate Minneapolis. 7 days and counting.
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05/17/2008 @ 06:03:22 PM
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bozz_2006 Wrote - 05/17/2008 @ 04:55:46 PM
i like the Packers because they kick ass.
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05/18/2008 @ 12:32:51 AM
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bozz_2006 Wrote - 05/17/2008 @ 04:55:46 PM
I don't like the Packers because I like Wisconsin; i like the Packers because they kick ass. I love the Twins, but I hate Minneapolis.


It seems you have some sort of disorder that caused you to shuffle those words, consider the proper order, which you surely meant, restored.

bozz_2006 Wrote - 05/17/2008 @ 04:55:46 PM
I don't like the Packers because I like Wisconsin; I hate the Packers because I like Minneapolis, but, I love the Twins, they kick ass.
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05/18/2008 @ 07:06:27 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 05/18/2008 @ 12:32:51 AM
bozz_2006 Wrote - 05/17/2008 @ 04:55:46 PM
I don't like the Packers because I like Wisconsin; i like the Packers because they kick ass. I love the Twins, but I hate Minneapolis.
It seems you have some sort of disorder that caused you to shuffle those words, consider the proper order, which you surely meant, restored.
bozz_2006 Wrote - 05/17/2008 @ 04:55:46 PM
I don't like the Packers because I like Wisconsin; I hate the Packers because I like Minneapolis, but, I love the Twins, they kick ass.


You're in trouble, with God.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich
05/18/2008 @ 12:37:50 PM
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I started liking the Packers after Emmit Smith hurt that Quad back in what... 93, 94 and I realized he was basically the only reason I liked the Cowboys. I was indifferent about the Packers until then and was living in Iowa where you have The Packers, vikings, or bears for choices.

As far as baseball, I still like the Brewers, but the Twins are my team. When I was young- like 8 in 1988 I got two hats from relatives for my birthday- one Twins, one Brewers. I wore them both equally, but had a preference for the twins. About 1991, I started really getting into playing baseball and chose Ken Griffey Jr. as my hero, and therefor the Mariners as my favorite team. When Jr. broke that wrist and started whining a lot, I lost fanhood (although they had great great players those years). During the strike, I kinda quit liking baseball at all, except a little. I gave it up until the 2004 season and picked it back up.

I guess the moral of the story is that when you are young you pick a hero to worship and you follow that person and the people they play with with fervor. Once you reach a certain age or a certain understanding of professional sports that all changes. For me, I think it was the realization that the players were mere humans- in most cases, greedy selfish humans who made more money in one season than I might make in a decade.

I didn't mean to get preachy, just got me at a good moment.
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jacobpeterdad.jpgbozz_2006 - 29 Posts
05/18/2008 @ 06:00:25 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 05/18/2008 @ 12:37:50 PM
I was indifferent about the Packers until then and was living in Iowa where you have The Packers, vikings, or bears for choices.


I just really don't have any idea what your physical location has to do with the team you love. And, Packone, I don't know if Greg Jennings will allow God to get a shot at him.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
05/19/2008 @ 07:38:04 AM
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Oh really? Geo location has nothing to do with fanship? I call BS right here, right now.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
05/19/2008 @ 09:18:28 AM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 05/18/2008 @ 12:37:50 PM
For me, I think it was the realization that the players were mere humans- in most cases, greedy selfish humans who made more money in one season than I might make in a decade. .


Really? You make multiple millions of dollars in a decade? Wow, can't complain about that I guess.
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05/19/2008 @ 09:46:30 AM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 07:38:04 AM
Oh really? Geo location has nothing to do with fanship? I call BS right here, right now.


Perhaps I overstated the point (you'll come to see that I do that often). How about; Geo location shouldn't determine fanship. Maybe I'm just over sensitive to all the idiot I meet in the twin shitties who hear that I like the Packers and say, "dur, dur. You're from Wisconsin, huh? dur, dur." No, I'm not. I am not bound to a city or state from which the pool to choose a team comes. Unlike all the dumb Viking fans who "have to" like the Vikings because they're from Minnesota, I picked the best team in the universe. Smart move, I think.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
05/19/2008 @ 09:52:21 AM
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As a Viking fan in Wisconsin it's safe to say I've never had anyone question, if I've never lived outside Wisconsin, why I'm not a Packer fan.

Clearly the people in Minnesota are vastly inferior to the residents of Wisconsin, who don't, in any way shape, or form, think that geographical location should determine fanhood. emoticon
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05/19/2008 @ 09:53:10 AM
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Jeremy's got it.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Pie Racist
05/19/2008 @ 10:04:48 AM
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It's extra humorous because after beating the "geographical location" drum for a while I'll point out to them that where we live we are 3 times closer to the Vikings than the Packers, at which point they bring up the fact that the completely arbitrary borders should determine it.

I usually respond "ok, well we're 3 times closer to Minnesota than to Green Bay." at which point I'm usually just met with blank stares, though occasionally someone realizes what I'm getting at, which is that they aren't the "Wisconsin Packers" and their "borders" argument is mostly irrelevant.
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jacobpeterdad.jpgbozz_2006 - 29 Posts
05/19/2008 @ 10:36:06 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 10:04:48 AM
." at which point I'm usually just met with blank stares,


Like a cow looking at a new gate.
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05/19/2008 @ 10:40:30 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 09:52:21 AM
As a Viking fan in Wisconsin it's safe to say I've never had anyone question, if I've never lived outside Wisconsin, why I'm not a Packer fan. Clearly the people in Minnesota are vastly inferior to the residents of Wisconsin, who don't, in any way shape, or form, think that geographical location should determine fanhood. emoticon


It doesn't necesarily determine it, but it definitely can have lot to do with it. Never meant that it was the only determining factor of who you become a fan of, just saying that you can't discredit it, as it obviously makes a lot of difference to a lot of people.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
05/19/2008 @ 10:47:45 AM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 10:40:30 AM
Jeremy Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 09:52:21 AM
As a Viking fan in Wisconsin it's safe to say I've never had anyone question, if I've never lived outside Wisconsin, why I'm not a Packer fan. Clearly the people in Minnesota are vastly inferior to the residents of Wisconsin, who don't, in any way shape, or form, think that geographical location should determine fanhood. emoticon


It doesn't necessarily determine it, but it definitely can have lot to do with it. Never meant that it was the only determining factor of who you become a fan of, just saying that you can't discredit it, as it obviously makes a lot of difference to a lot of people.


I don't think so either, I was just sarcastically replying to the, "My biggest rivals do ____, but we never do" type comments.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
05/19/2008 @ 12:23:15 PM
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Alex Wrote - 02/14/2008 @ 12:31:08 PM
He'll eat innings if nothing else. I don't think the Twins are expecting an All-Star type performance from him.


6-2 with a 3.88 ERA. 65 IP 80 H 30 R 9 HR 21 SO. Not bad for an inning-eater :-)
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05/19/2008 @ 12:36:55 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 12:23:15 PM
Alex Wrote - 02/14/2008 @ 12:31:08 PM
He'll eat innings if nothing else. I don't think the Twins are expecting an All-Star type performance from him.


6-2 with a 3.88 ERA. 65 IP 80 H 30 R 9 HR 21 SO. Not bad for an inning-eater :-)
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flower .jpgPackOne - Take your shirt off, twist it 'round yo' hand...spin it like a helicopter.
05/19/2008 @ 06:43:50 PM
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I don't care where you're from, you should be loyal to the Packers. It's really that simple.
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05/19/2008 @ 08:29:06 PM
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I think part of cheering for team sports is having pride in where your from. I was born in Minnesota and lived there for a large portion of my life, I like to see the MINNESOTA vikings and MINNESOTA twins do good because it gives the whole state something to be proud of. I think its dumb just to like a team because they "kick ass", but if people want to do that thats ok. I can understand Carl boucning around from team to team because he is from Iowa and they have no teams. And to prove that Geo location has alot to do with it, my dad is a huge packer fan because he is from wisconsin, but me and my brother who grew up in Minnesota are vikings fans.
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05/19/2008 @ 08:47:07 PM
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I'm a fan of pretty much everything Wisconsin (Brewers, Packers, Badgers, etc), and that is a result of Wisconsin being the most awesome state in the union.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
05/19/2008 @ 09:37:54 PM
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Scott Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 08:47:07 PM
I'm a fan of pretty much everything Wisconsin (Brewers, Packers, Badgers, etc), and that is a result of Wisconsin being the most awesome state in the union.


Did you type this with your left hand as your right was posted respectfully over your heart?
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Super Chocolate Bear
05/19/2008 @ 10:20:07 PM
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Scott Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 08:47:07 PM
I'm a fan of pretty much everything Wisconsin (Brewers, Packers, Badgers, etc), and that is a result of Wisconsin being the most awesome state in the union.


So, how's Florida?
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05/20/2008 @ 06:43:34 AM
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At the young age of 5, I actually made a rational decision to cheer for the awesomest of teams. So I collected all the necessary data on each team, listed it below that team, then covered up the team's identity and assigned each team a letter so that I wouldn't be swayed by who that team actually was. I then assigned numerical values to each attribute, rearranged the order of the teams based on greatest number, and came up with who I would cheer for. Amazingly, they all ended up being relatively local teams. Therefore, I, and anyone who chose teams based on this method is beyond questioning as to our allegiances, while the rest of you commoners are all subject to ridicule based on your arbitrary selections of teams. Also, you cannot take credit for their acheivements, but must endure criticism based on their shortcomings.
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05/20/2008 @ 07:46:12 AM
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At the young age of 5, I actually made a rational decision to cheer for the awesomest of teams. So I collected all the necessary data on each team, listed it below that team, then covered up the team's identity and assigned each team a letter so that I wouldn't be swayed by who that team actually was. I then assigned numerical values to each attribute, rearranged the order of the teams based on greatest number, and came up with who I would cheer for. Amazingly, they all ended up being relatively local teams. Therefore, I, and anyone who chose teams based on this method is beyond questioning as to our allegiances, while the rest of you commoners are all subject to ridicule based on your arbitrary selections of teams. Also, you cannot take credit for their acheivements, but must endure criticism based on their shortcomings.


5? Hell I did all that before the age of 2.
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05/20/2008 @ 01:01:06 PM
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I think location is becoming less important. 20 years ago if you didn't have cable, sports news came from nationally televised games, maybe 1 minute on the local TV news, the local newspaper, and maybe the Sports Machine. So it was pretty difficult to be Mariners fan in Atlanta and actually know anything about the Mariners. But now more people have cable, there was a growing number of nationally televised games for most sports until everyone got cable, and there's that interweb-tubey thing. So now you can live in Japan and probably watch every Mariners game and find out what the long reliever that just got called up from AAA likes to do in his free time.
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05/20/2008 @ 07:00:52 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 10:20:07 PM
Scott Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 08:47:07 PM
I'm a fan of pretty much everything Wisconsin (Brewers, Packers, Badgers, etc), and that is a result of Wisconsin being the most awesome state in the union.
So, how's Florida?


It's too hot in the summer (95 degrees every day, and the gulf temperature is in the mid 90s as well, which is basically like swimming in bath water; not refreshing at all), and the winter isn't all that exciting either. On one hand, it's sort of nice that it never gets below 50 at any point during the day, but on the other hand, beating the Wisconsin cold at least gave me something to accomplish each day. I might wright an article about my time here.
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06/02/2008 @ 08:23:17 PM
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Here is my experience from Sunday's Brewers game:
Miller Park is absolutely amazing. Everybody was tailgating and having a good time before the game started, but we tried to get in early to try and see some batting practice. We did get to see the Brewers take some batting practice, so that was pretty special.
They must've been giving away 40,000 bobbleheads or something because almost everyone got one, unlike the Twins where they only give away 10,000. I did not get one of the special Braun bobbleheads where he's dressed in the old school uniforms, but that's ok.
They have all sorts of food and drink items, and while the hot dog I got was not as good as a dome dog, I bet everything else was excellent, especially the nachos and margaritas that I saw. We had seats on the club level, which was the third level of the stadium. Our seats were along the right field, pretty close to the foul ball post. I don't think there's a bad seat in the house. It all looked exciting compared to the dome, I can definitely see how it's an event, not just a dull trip to see a ball game. I got to see the sausages race and the Brewers annihilate the Astros. The field itself seems pretty small, the furthest point in centerfield is only 400 feet away from home plate, and the rest of the field is oddly angled so that it seems like an easy place to hit home runs. Maybe that's why Braun is so good. Anyway, I have a new favorite baseball player. Corey Hart and that's even including the Twins players when I say that. So, like I said we were sitting on the 3rd level, but before the top of every inning my cousin would yell Corey's name hoping he would wave to him and maybe throw him his practice ball. Finally, when Corey ran out to the right field for the 9th inning he waved to my cousin. Every time he'd throw the ball after that, you'd hear "COREY!" from our section. Finally, it was time for the inning to start. Corey Hart looked up at us and effortlessly threw the ball up to our level where my cousins caught it. We all cheered and yelled down "THANK YOU!" He chuckled. It was the coolest thing that I've seen at a ball game. I don't know if that says much about me or the sport or whatever, but it was my webgem of the day.

Just a question to Brewers fans: why do people boo Carlos Lee? He was traded mid-season, and I don't think it was something he could control, right? Yet, every time he was up to bat, he got booed. If I recall, the Brewers got a great closer (Cordero?) out of the deal and you wouldn't have been able to afford him anyway.

The only thing that could've made this game better was if it had been the Twins. I don't know how we've put up with the Metrodome for this long, because damn, new stadiums are fun!

Overall experience: A (would've been A+ if the hot dog would've been a dome dog and if the Brewers would've been the Twins)
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06/02/2008 @ 09:42:54 PM
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Last year Carlos got a standing ovation. There was a little animosity about his unwillingness to come down in price. I don't blame him for that.

Miller Park is amazing, I love going there.
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06/02/2008 @ 09:44:08 PM
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The only seats that I would classify as bad are the ones way, way up on top directly behind home plate. I sat there once and just about went deaf from the loud speaker.

Hart is my favorite because he's the most complete player on the team.

Lee was offered what would've been the biggest contract in Brewers history if I recall correctly, and he still spurned them. In the end it worked out pretty good for the Brewers anyway, but I imagine is there is resentment because he more or less forced a trade (they could've let him walk at the end of the year, but that was clearly not the smart move if they could trade him for any half decent player). According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Lee they offered 4 years and $48 million and he chose not to negotiate.
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06/02/2008 @ 10:02:50 PM
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Any player that plays with a team for less than 3 years and leaves because of money, he's probably going to get booed. When Geoff Jenkins, who played for the brewers for like 10 years, returned, he got a standing ovation.

I must say, Sarah's comment means a lot coming from a Twins fan. It's good to hear other "non-Brewer" fans enjoy Miller Park. I myself have absolutely no complaints about the field the Brewers play on.

The Brewer bobblehead giveaways are always "all-fan" giveaways. They give away like 45,000 with extras that get donated to charity or something. Say what you will about exclusivity or whatnot, it's just cool that everyone gets one.
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06/03/2008 @ 02:30:47 PM
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Sarah Wrote - 06/02/2008 @ 08:23:17 PM
They have all sorts of food and drink items, and while the hot dog I got was not as good as a dome dog, I bet everything else was excellent, especially the nachos and margaritas that I saw.


I agree. The hot dog I got there wasn't good. (Hormel rules! Klements is lame.) But I've liked the rest of the food there pretty much.

Sarah Wrote - 06/02/2008 @ 08:23:17 PM
It was the coolest thing that I've seen at a ball game. I don't know if that says much about me or the sport or whatever, but it was my webgem of the day.


It says something about you.
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06/03/2008 @ 05:49:37 PM
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Who actually buys food at the ball park anyway?
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06/04/2008 @ 09:48:16 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 12:23:15 PM
Alex Wrote - 02/14/2008 @ 12:31:08 PM
He'll eat innings if nothing else. I don't think the Twins are expecting an All-Star type performance from him.
6-2 with a 3.88 ERA. 65 IP 80 H 30 R 9 HR 21 SO. Not bad for an inning-eater :-)


According to Buster Olney, he might be available on the trading block, with possible interest from Atlanta.
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06/04/2008 @ 09:53:39 PM
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The Brewers have 6 of the first 62 picks in the draft this year.
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06/04/2008 @ 09:56:43 PM
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Also, after 4 years at my job my team finally got the company box at Miller Park for last night's game. It was pretty cool, except there was no food and I was expecting it to be a little fancier.

Brewers are hot but so are the Cubs.
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06/05/2008 @ 02:29:14 AM
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Scott Wrote - 06/03/2008 @ 05:49:37 PM
Who actually buys food at the ball park anyway?


You know, I'm sure the fact that I didn't tailgate a lot in my childhood years has something to do with it, but I don't find the whole tailgating thing to be that special.
I like food and hanging out with friends and all that, but I just don't really get what's so great about tailgating. Good? sure. Great? Well, not in my opinion. For one thing, I like getting food at the game in the ballpark. It's part of the experience for me. I like eating while watching the game and I like eating the food the ballpark has to offer. I can grill hot dogs and brats just about any other time. Yeah, it's cheaper to prepare the food outside on your own, but I don't mind spending the money when it's part of the experience. (Yes, I consider paying $4 for a soda part of the fun.) Plus, I don't like beer much, so I don't feel compelled to load up on it beforehand to avoid the stadium prices. (That's right, I'm a male from WI who likes sports and doesn't like beer. Feel free to dock me 2 stereotype points.)
I think I've tailgated at Miller Park about 3 times. One time it was wicked hot, one time it was cold and windy and one time it was rainy. I enjoyed all of them on some level, and generally enjoyed the company I had, but factoring in the portable toilets, and mildly annoying drunken behavior in the background, I find the odes to tailgating a bit much compared to the actual experience.

The fun I did have in tailgating was mostly due to the friends I was with anyway, so we could pre-game it at McDonald's and I'd basically be fine.

But hey, that's just my opinion. Everyone has certain things that are integral to creating the real "game" experience. I accept the fact that tailgating is that thing to many people. Just not to me.
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06/05/2008 @ 07:10:06 AM
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I have been to 6 different major league ball parks, Wrigley, Metrodome, Miller Park, Chase Field (arizona), Angels Stadium of Anaheim, Kauffman (KC). Out of all these, I would say Miller Park was my favorite. I went to see an Twins-Brewers interleague game a few years ago, it was great, the roof was open, there was a good mix of Brewers and Twins fans. Kind of like attending a Viking-Packer game in the Metrodome without all the hatred. Metrodome is great because I have a lot of memories from it, but I can't stand watching baseball inside, especially if its nice out. In Arizona it was too hot, so the roof was closed, but that stadium looks a lot like Miller. KC is underated, I would put the experience up there with Miller. Anaheim's stadium is beutiful, but the Twins got clobbered the day I attended last season so it kind of ruined it for me. Wrigley was a little too trendy for me and I don't like the cubs.

Tailgating is great, but I just can't get into it for baseball, more of a football thing. I like eating at the baseball game personally.
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06/05/2008 @ 08:18:03 AM
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Jon Wrote - 06/05/2008 @ 02:29:14 AM
I think I've tailgated at Miller Park about 3 times. One time it was wicked hot, one time it was cold and windy and one time it was rainy.


Two of those times were with me!
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06/05/2008 @ 01:41:39 PM
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Jon Wrote - 06/05/2008 @ 02:29:14 AM

The fun I did have in tailgating was mostly due to the friends I was with anyway, so we could pre-game it at McDonald's and I'd basically be fine.


Hanging out at McDonald's? I guess I'd rather hangout with the slightly inebriated instead of a bunch of whiny kids.
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06/05/2008 @ 02:02:01 PM
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Jon Wrote - 06/05/2008 @ 02:29:14 AM
Scott Wrote - 06/03/2008 @ 05:49:37 PM
Who actually buys food at the ball park anyway?
You know, I'm sure the fact that I didn't tailgate a lot in my childhood years has something to do with it, but I don't find the whole tailgating thing to be that special. I like food and hanging out with friends and all that, but I just don't really get what's so great about tailgating. Good? sure. Great? Well, not in my opinion. For one thing, I like getting food at the game in the ballpark. It's part of the experience for me. I like eating while watching the game and I like eating the food the ballpark has to offer. I can grill hot dogs and brats just about any other time. Yeah, it's cheaper to prepare the food outside on your own, but I don't mind spending the money when it's part of the experience. (Yes, I consider paying $4 for a soda part of the fun.) Plus, I don't like beer much, so I don't feel compelled to load up on it beforehand to avoid the stadium prices. (That's right, I'm a male from WI who likes sports and doesn't like beer. Feel free to dock me 2 stereotype points.) I think I've tailgated at Miller Park about 3 times. One time it was wicked hot, one time it was cold and windy and one time it was rainy. I enjoyed all of them on some level, and generally enjoyed the company I had, but factoring in the portable toilets, and mildly annoying drunken behavior in the background, I find the odes to tailgating a bit much compared to the actual experience. The fun I did have in tailgating was mostly due to the friends I was with anyway, so we could pre-game it at McDonald's and I'd basically be fine. But hey, that's just my opinion. Everyone has certain things that are integral to creating the real "game" experience. I accept the fact that tailgating is that thing to many people. Just not to me.


I totally agree with that post. I don't do beer either, I despise it on the golf course, although I can deal with it at games.
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06/05/2008 @ 05:48:16 PM
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I enjoy a good tailgating experience. From what I understand, nowhere is it more prevalent than in Wisconsin. I'm sure other places have some tailgaiting, but not like they do at Miller Park. It's just part of the tradition. I've been to 4 different MLB parks, the Metrodome, County Stadium, Miller Park, and Tropicana field, and on the Wisconsin parks do tailgaiting of any sort.

Anyway, I just love a good tailgate.
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06/05/2008 @ 07:42:53 PM
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It's almost like its own separate event. You spend 2 or 3 hours hanging out in the parking lot, and then as a bonus you get to go to a baseball game after that. The game itself can be just as enjoyable either way. Not that it's not fun to tailgate with only a couple people, but I think one of the perks is that you can have 2 or 3 vehicles of people show up and now with cell phones even if you don't get there at the same time you can still all meet up. It'd be more difficult to have a 12 person get together at McDonald's or for a lot people in the area at their apartment or condo. So it's just a kind of a meeting place and community event type thing.
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06/06/2008 @ 06:21:08 AM
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Besides, why would you want to cook out in the comfort of your own home with your nice big grill and shaded porch when you can set on the steamy hot asphalt grilling brats on your tiny weber go anywhere grill having to fight for space with the 30,000 other people trying to do the same thing? It just doesn't make sense!
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06/06/2008 @ 06:25:49 AM
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Do Milwaukee fans tailgate every day or just afternoon games? I jus't dont need to pregame and party for 3 hours before a baseball game. Football is a different story, a lot more hype for every game and a lot more people as well. Bring on the tailgating there. Plus it's kind of hard to tailgate at the dome with no public parking lot.
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06/06/2008 @ 08:52:56 AM
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They tailgate pretty much every day, night games, day games, rainy games.

Having a good parking lot is key to a good tailgaiting experience, no doubt. Miller Park is great for that. Miller Park parking lots are even littered with concrete bins for people to dispose of their smoldering char-coal.
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06/06/2008 @ 01:02:14 PM
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There is definitely more tailgating on the weekend, but there are some tailgaters at every game. During the week I imagine a lot of people come straight from work so they don't have time. It's easier to make a day of it on like a Saturday afternoon/evening game.
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06/07/2008 @ 12:48:51 AM
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Twins vs. White Sox on TV Saturday
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06/07/2008 @ 11:51:24 AM
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After last night's game it better be worth watching for you all.
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06/07/2008 @ 12:04:47 PM
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The Twins should sign Bonds.
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06/12/2008 @ 10:15:02 PM
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David Ortiz, American

Congrats to Big Papi, who became an American citizen yesterday. Of course, we'll see where his true allegiance lies by whether he plays for the U.S. or Dominican Republic in next year's World Baseball Classic.
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06/13/2008 @ 07:55:10 AM
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Brewers scouting and looking to trade for Brain Roberts 2B Orioles. I like that idea, plus he is on my fantasy team.
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06/13/2008 @ 07:41:37 PM
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Well, after seeing the replay from the 3b angle...

The Prince was not out at 3rd in the 2nd.

Go Twins.
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06/13/2008 @ 08:21:13 PM
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It was pretty close, way closer than what the Brewers announcers are making it out to be.
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06/13/2008 @ 09:15:49 PM
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Rough night or not for Bill Hall, the amount of booing your own guy going on by tonight's Brewers fan is not cool.
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06/13/2008 @ 10:09:05 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 06/13/2008 @ 09:15:49 PM
...the amount of booing your own guy going on by tonight's Brewers fan is not cool.


I had the same thought more or less. Which we've kind of talked about before, I think. Don't boo your own players people. (Though for that matter, I'm not much for booing in general. I mean if someone does something dirty maybe, but mostly I think fans should just concentrate on cheering their own team.) However, I do wonder if fans sometimes boo as more of a lament at the situation rather than actually at a player. Sometimes you're just fed up and people vocalize it as a boo. Which is not a great choice because it just comes across as being a jerky fan. Really they should just learn how to groan when these things happen. That's more appropriate.
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06/13/2008 @ 11:12:31 PM
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These were definitely boos, and they were loud and prolonged. They weren't the usual groan/murmuring.
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06/13/2008 @ 11:28:59 PM
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I missed it. Never boo the home guy. We need Bill Hall right now. Everytime I miss a game something happens. Weak.
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06/14/2008 @ 12:01:19 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 06/13/2008 @ 11:12:31 PM
These were definitely boos, and they were loud and prolonged. They weren't the usual groan/murmuring.


Well, I for one never questioned that they were boos.
I just wonder if fans misapply the boos to situations where they really are just feeling crappy that something happened but aren't actually wanting to shame the player.
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06/15/2008 @ 09:07:09 AM
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What a game last night! I thought the Twins got lucky on the Fielder call until I saw the close up replay. Good job Umps. I hope the Twins can sweep today. What is wrong with Brewers Manager Ned Yost? I think he is one of the worst managers in the league. Why on earth did he leave Tavarez in the after he loaded the bases twice. It seems he always makes bonehead moves like that.
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06/16/2008 @ 11:12:33 AM
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Yeah, Stop booing Bill Hall of all players. Here's a guy who's given everything he has to the team. He's been the regular starter at 3 different positions in the last 3 years. It's no wonder he is struggling at the plate a little bit, and it's no wonder he has expressed some unhappiness. Hall is always at the top of the steps congratulating his teammates on good plays. He is a model teammate. Stop booing him you losers!
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06/16/2008 @ 01:40:17 PM
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I would think that a model teammate would actually be good at what they do. His on base percentage is .224 against righties, and he's complaining about being platooned.
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06/17/2008 @ 07:27:04 AM
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Oh, pardon me then. Boo away.

Anybody who has been a regular starter for several years who becomes a platoon player is probably going to voice some displeasure. That came out only one or two times. Fans are treating him like he is a cancer in the club house, and he is anything but a cancer.
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06/17/2008 @ 07:45:11 AM
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would you settle for benign melanoma?
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06/17/2008 @ 09:50:17 PM
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Ryan Braun is 4th in all-star voting among NL Outfielders, which means he is just one position away from being a starter. He now has 20 homers through 70 games. In other news, I wish Braun would stop trying to hit home runs on every pitch. He'd probably be batting about .340 with 15 homers and 65 RBI (instead of 55 rbi) if he wasn't trying to hit Bernies Chalet with every swing.

Here's a stat that shows how the Brewer fans are coming out in force this season in voting: Rickie Weeks is 5th in voting among NL second basemen.
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06/18/2008 @ 09:31:35 PM
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Hart doesn't put up the power numbers of Braun, but he's as good in every other area and better on the bases and probably defensively too.
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06/19/2008 @ 04:52:25 PM
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I agree with that statement. Hart's BA is as good as Braun's, he doesn't strike out as often, he is a base stealing threat, and he has incredible range in the outfield. And, he can play all three outfield positions, and probably 1st base and maybe even 3rd base if they ever needed him to. (Braun is still getting used to LF).

I wouldn't want one without the other though, Hart is definitely someone they need to ink to a long term deal, along with Fielder.
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06/20/2008 @ 10:09:36 AM
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They both need to learn how to take a walk though.
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06/20/2008 @ 10:18:42 AM
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Webb's pitching against the Twins on Sunday, Randy Johnson is pitching tonight, and we get to see some pitcher named Owings.
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06/20/2008 @ 12:00:50 PM
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As I recall, I was open to tonight's game, but you suckers who actually work for a living preferred Saturday. emoticon
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06/20/2008 @ 02:08:48 PM
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Oh well, Go Cubs!
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06/20/2008 @ 02:12:24 PM
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Matt Wrote - 06/20/2008 @ 12:00:50 PM
As I recall, I was open to tonight's game, but you suckers who actually work for a living preferred Saturday. emoticon


Sarah took today off too.
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06/20/2008 @ 03:12:36 PM
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If I would have known you hosers would be going, I might have decided to tag along (as in, sit somewhere else where I couldn't embarass you).

Instead I'll be in the EC, perhaps watch from BW3.
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06/25/2008 @ 08:10:57 AM
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Ben Sheets pitched a really good game a couple days ago and no one has said anything about it.

I can only conclude that Scott is literally tied up somewhere in a warehouse with no internet access. It's quite likely he doesn't even know Sheets did this. If someone can just get the news to him that Sheets is healthy and pitching well, he'll no doubt be filled with enough strength to break free from whatever is detaining him and he can then celebrate accordingly.
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06/25/2008 @ 05:45:14 PM
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Jon Wrote - 06/25/2008 @ 08:10:57 AM
Ben Sheets pitched a really good game a couple days ago and no one has said anything about it. I can only conclude that Scott is literally tied up somewhere in a warehouse with no internet access. It's quite likely he doesn't even know Sheets did this. If someone can just get the news to him that Sheets is healthy and pitching well, he'll no doubt be filled with enough strength to break free from whatever is detaining him and he can then celebrate accordingly.


Post of the Year nominee!!!

I intentionally have not said much about the Brewers this year. I'm hoping that my silence about their good play will prevent them from ending up the same way they have the last several years after having hot starts. With that said, Sheets has a legitimate shot of actually being the starting pitcher in the All-Star game. On a related note, Sheets stated that he intends to test the free agent markets after the season. He did not say that he isn't going to resign with the Brewers, but no matter what happens, if the Brewers want him back they will probably need to put up pretty big money to keep him.

Braun is not hitting nearly as well as he could be. That's right, he's 4th in the NL in all-star voting for OFs, but he is not playing as good as he should be. He is swinging at just about anything. He can hit the ball out of the park no matter where the pitch is located, but he is swinging at pitches that he has no business swinging at. He has even mentioned that he is paying attention to the wind during games and trying to hit the ball with the wind. For crying out loud, just play baseball. Don't worry about trying to hit the ball into a jet stream, just put it in play, push your BA from .280 to .340 where it belongs and we can all marvel out what an all-around great hitter you are becoming.
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06/28/2008 @ 10:35:58 AM
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The Brewers are 4-9 on Fridays, and they have lost 4 straight fridays. Monday is their best day, at 5-1. Interesting.
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06/28/2008 @ 12:19:59 PM
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The Brewers just suck. Go Twins!
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06/28/2008 @ 08:46:41 PM
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Yeah, well suck on that. The Twins just experienced the baseball's best kept secret, Manny Parra. We'll see how the Twins fare against Ben Sheets tomorrow.
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06/28/2008 @ 08:48:12 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 05/19/2008 @ 12:23:15 PM
Alex Wrote - 02/14/2008 @ 12:31:08 PM
He'll eat innings if nothing else. I don't think the Twins are expecting an All-Star type performance from him.
6-2 with a 3.88 ERA. 65 IP 80 H 30 R 9 HR 21 SO. Not bad for an inning-eater :-)


8-5 with a 5.23 ERA 110.1 IP 157 H 64 R, that's more like it.
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06/28/2008 @ 09:32:51 PM
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The Brewers have also won their last 4 Sunday games, so that coupled with possibly the best pitcher in the NL this year could spell a 2 game losing streak for the Twinkies.
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06/29/2008 @ 03:22:25 PM
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Well, I guess that's what I get for opening up my big mouth.
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06/29/2008 @ 03:46:44 PM
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You call Sheets your Ace? Woo, very good game by the Twins!
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07/01/2008 @ 11:19:48 AM
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Scott Wrote - 06/28/2008 @ 09:32:51 PM
The Brewers have also won their last 4 Sunday games, so that coupled with possibly the best pitcher in the NL this year...


Best pitcher in the NL. That's like being the highest rated show on the WB.
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07/01/2008 @ 02:38:42 PM
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The WB doesn't even exist anymore.
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07/01/2008 @ 05:03:53 PM
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Matt Wrote - 07/01/2008 @ 02:38:42 PM
The WB doesn't even exist anymore.


Which means the NL is that horrific.
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07/01/2008 @ 06:31:29 PM
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If only the NL had players enter the game only 3 or 4 times just to swing a stick because they have no ability to play in the field. If only.
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07/01/2008 @ 06:59:08 PM
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If only it were more exciting to watch DH's hit the ball then watch the pitchers strike out. If only.
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07/01/2008 @ 08:26:55 PM
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The DH is stupid. Just face it. What do AL managers even do?

Eliminating the DH would actually make baseball more competitive and would benefit small market teams. Think about this. Teams like the Yankees and Red Sox with more money than they know what to do with don't bat an eye when they are consider paying multi-million dollars for a player that will never play in the field, while a small market team that scraps together a lineup cannot even consider to afford paying for a guy that will only bat. It actually creates an uncompetitive environment. Think about that. And as a result of that, AL teams have possibly become increasingly more imbalanced compared to their NL counterparts because AL teams are paying millions for the DH player while NL teams are just throwing their 4th outfielder into the lineup when they play in AL parks.
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07/01/2008 @ 08:31:06 PM
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And seriously, the KC Royals finished interleague play 13-5. How serious can we take the standings when The Royals played .722 ball against the AL. There is obviously something flawed about the system.
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07/01/2008 @ 08:33:54 PM
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I don't think the DH has much to do with why the AL keeps beating down the NL. It just seems like top to bottom the AL has more talent. But I'm not a big fan of the DH.
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07/01/2008 @ 08:39:39 PM
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To be honest I think the spending spree in the AL has something to do with that. Teams need to keep up with the Yankees. I just hope the NL finally can win an all-star game. Does anyone else think it's dumb that the all-star game determines home field advantage in the WS?
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07/01/2008 @ 09:17:56 PM
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I think the all-star thing is kind of dumb. It's not really fair to do it based on record either though. Didn't they used to just alternate?
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07/01/2008 @ 09:37:21 PM
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Scott Wrote - 07/01/2008 @ 08:39:39 PM
To be honest I think the spending spree in the AL has something to do with that. Teams need to keep up with the Yankees. I just hope the NL finally can win an all-star game. Does anyone else think it's dumb that the all-star game determines home field advantage in the WS?


The Twins are a very small market team and don't have a big payroll.

Scott Wrote - 07/01/2008 @ 08:26:55 PM
The DH is stupid. Just face it. What do AL managers even do?


I know Gardenhire likes to get thrown out of ball games in his spare time.

Scott Wrote - 07/01/2008 @ 08:31:06 PM
And seriously, the KC Royals finished interleague play 13-5. How serious can we take the standings when The Royals played .722 ball against the AL. There is obviously something flawed about the system.


The N.L. just is that bad, we've been over this.

Alex Wrote - 07/01/2008 @ 09:17:56 PM
I think the all-star thing is kind of dumb. It's not really fair to do it based on record either though. Didn't they used to just alternate?


They used to, but this time it means SOMETHING. Which is what makes it soooo much more exciting.emoticon
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07/05/2008 @ 11:06:57 PM
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Please please give us C.C.

He is one of my favorite players and on my fantasy team.

Please.
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07/05/2008 @ 11:57:24 PM
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I think Brian is doing a fine job.
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07/06/2008 @ 07:46:26 AM
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From Brewers radio annoucer Jim Powell's blog:
I will continue to rue the severed knee ligament of Yovanni Gallardo. The apparent cost of the ACL repair can now be measured as one lost season for Gallardo and at least two lost blue-chip prospects forever, assuming a deal gets cut. Like Brewers' fans needed more reasons to hate Wrigley Field, the site of Yovanni's demise. In the end, if the Brewers end up playing baseball longer than the Cubs do this fall, it will all seem well worth it.

The Sabathia trade would help the Brewers this year and this year only. However, with Sabathia, the Brewers would arguably have the best 1-2 pitching punch in all of baseball, definitely in the NL. Jim Powell's analysis of this trade hinges on the fact that without Sabathia, if the Brewers make the playoffs it will be very difficult for them to match up against other teams' starting pitching. With Sabathia, they would be "capable of beating any team in the NL for sure and possibly any team in either league," according to Powell.

However, this trade would most likely cost the Brewers minor league outfielder Matt LaPorta, who is the Brewers top prospect, and two other highly touted prospects from the Brewers farm system, all of which would result in at most 3 months of Sabathia. But, "In the end, if the Brewers end up playing baseball longer than the Cubs do this fall, it will all seem well worth it."
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07/06/2008 @ 10:22:07 AM
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I don't like the price, but I like the potential outcome. I don't agree that he would most certainly be done after the season.
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07/06/2008 @ 01:06:44 PM
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he already turned down an $18million dollar a year deal with Cleveland. The Brewers still need to try and resign Fielder and Sheets. It would be highly unlikely that the Brewers would be able to fork over enough cash to keep Sabathia.
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07/06/2008 @ 01:54:45 PM
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Mauer, Morneau, and Nathan made it to the All-Star game, not too bad. I think Morneau should be the starter over Youkilis, but what do I know. The infield is comprised of all Red Sox and Yankees players, except Mauer. (is that considered the infield? I don't know.) Bleck. Let's get some variety in there! I think they need a better system so that a player that has been on the DL since May shouldn't get voted in to be the starting DH.

Vote for Corey Hart to get into the All-Star game, he's my favorite!
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07/06/2008 @ 06:15:23 PM
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A reliable club source said that the Brewers have a deal in place with Cleveland for left-hander C.C. Sabathia, contingent on the paperwork being done and medical records exchanged.

Look for Sabathia to make his debut for the Brewers Tuesday night at Miller Park against Colorado.

Whoo hoo.

Scott - If Bennie doesn't stay they do. If they are serious contenders they do.
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07/06/2008 @ 07:25:04 PM
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At first I thought it was a dumb move by the BRew Crew. But now that I think about it, it sort of makes sense. The Brewers will be renting Sabathia for 3 months and in exchange for that wil be giving up some young talent. The Brewers need to try to make a run this year or they will be screwed next year. THey have no chance of signing Sheets and I am sure they have some other free agents or arbitration guys as well. Plus the National league is so bad it is worse than the East in the NBA as the only really good team is the Cubs, in fact you could argue the Brewers are the second best. SO what the hell, trade the farm to use Sabathia for 3 months. But ya better win this year!
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07/06/2008 @ 07:38:32 PM
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It's done.
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07/06/2008 @ 07:45:33 PM
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Wow, not a bad deal for the Brewers! CC is someone to be feared!
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07/06/2008 @ 10:14:00 PM
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From the sounds of it the Brewers are only giving up one top prospect, so I think it's a great deal then. The kicker in this whole thing is similar to trading for Linebrink last year. Even if they have no shot of resigning Sabathia, they'll probably get 4 compensatory draft picks out of him (I think they got 3 for Linebrink walking). So they trade some guys that have played well at AA and may or may not ever make it to the majors for last year's Cy winner and if they don't keep him for more than 4 months they can pretty much replace their prospects in the draft.

I feel pretty safe in saying they won't resign Sheets and Sabathia, but don't be suprised if one of them stays.
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07/06/2008 @ 10:15:48 PM
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Let the record show that I voted 24 times for Morneau (didn't fill out the AL at first). They need to extend Summerfest to get the Corey Hart vote going.
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07/07/2008 @ 07:39:37 AM
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Matt Laporta was the biggest prospect, Alcides Escobar is considered to be a better hitter than J.J. Hardy, and Matt Gamel was considered to be pretty good at third base, and would probably be moved in to replace Bill Hall in a few years. Losing these three players could have long term negative effects, but the short term spoils could be a division championship, and according to Buster Olny, the Brewers are now dangerous contenders in the NL. I was generally in favor of this trade, but the rest of the team better step up and make it worth it, because the Brewers are putting a lot on the line to win now. Go Brewers.


Edit: I'm wrong. Pitcher Zach Jackson and and Rob Bryson are not nearly as devestating of losses as Escobar and Gamel. Taylor Green also might be included in the deal, but he too is not as big of prospect the other two I originally mentioned.
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07/07/2008 @ 11:11:47 AM
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I'm miffed about the 1st base AL deal. Morneau is a better player than Youkulis (and I don't care if I mis-spelled his name) stats wise, and I think he got more votes. See, this is why coaches need to be more objective. I don't care if the BoSox won last year, their coach is coddling his players.
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07/07/2008 @ 11:29:45 AM
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Jay Mo vs K Youk
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07/07/2008 @ 11:31:31 AM
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lets get some labels for those stats.
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07/07/2008 @ 11:35:04 AM
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I'm trying, it doesn't work for crap. I'll just make it a link.

At any rate the point is that their numbers are pretty comparable.
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07/07/2008 @ 11:41:05 AM
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I'd give the edge to Youk looking at those stats.
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07/07/2008 @ 12:00:03 PM
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Well I think I'd give the edge to Morneau for this 12 more RBI's rather than a edge in averages, given their production (total bases) is the same anyway. At any rate, I was only refuting Carl's point that Morneau was outright dissed, not making a case for Morneau.
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07/07/2008 @ 12:10:10 PM
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I was actually agreeing with Jeremy, There really was little disparity between the two.

In a case like this you should look at splits like BA with runners in scoring position.
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07/07/2008 @ 12:21:45 PM
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RISP Jay Mo and K Youk. Pretty close here too. Morneau has 20 more atbats so you can only really look at the averages to be fair, which Youk has a slight advantage in average, Morneau has an edge in slugging. Clearly, you can make a case for either and both probably are deserving.
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07/07/2008 @ 01:17:15 PM
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So if you play one game and hit for the cycle you should be an All-Star because your averages would be off the chart? Never mind the other 80 odd games your team played without you... emoticon
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07/07/2008 @ 01:35:48 PM
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I think he meant that it's not indicative of any talent either player has in regards to how many at bats with RISP they had. To compare apples to apples you would have to look at their numbers per at bat, which they aren't listed as, other than the averages.

Edit: That they both have enough for the data to be meaningful is implied, in this case.
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07/07/2008 @ 03:23:20 PM
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One week ago Braun was in the 4th spot among NL outfielders, and he ended up finishing 3rd in voting among all major leaguers. That's awesome.

Jim Powell's reaction to the Sabbathia trade. The Brewers now have two of the better pitchers in baseball who are both in contract years. If Jim Powell can get excited about this, I guess I can start getting a little optimistic about the rest of the season.

(Brewers GM Doug) Melvin just turned a draft pick with less than a year of pro baseball experience into the best pitcher in the American League.
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07/07/2008 @ 05:08:27 PM
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Alex Wrote - 07/06/2008 @ 10:14:00 PM
The kicker in this whole thing is similar to trading for Linebrink last year. Even if they have no shot of resigning Sabathia, they'll probably get 4 compensatory draft picks out of him (I think they got 3 for Linebrink walking).


I think this is a really good point. Even though draft picks are a far cry from MLB players, it's still something you're getting back. I couldn't believe the picks the Brewers had in the draft this last year and I tried to think of how exactly they came across those picks. Then Matt told me it was from losing Linebrink and I was blown away. I had no idea they gave that kind of compensation to teams losing middle relievers. Anyway, at least Sabathia would be a legitimate Type A free agent loss. As would Ben Sheets for that matter.

By the way, unless I'm wrong, they got 2 for Linebrink and 2 for Cordero. And I'm not sure you can get more than 2 for any one player.
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07/07/2008 @ 05:26:27 PM
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Twins play on ESPN tonight, is it blacked out for us?
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07/07/2008 @ 05:28:26 PM
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Sarah Wrote - 07/07/2008 @ 05:26:27 PM
Twins play on ESPN tonight, is it blacked out for us?


Yes, but literally just for you and Jeremy.
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07/07/2008 @ 05:49:26 PM
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Jon Wrote - 07/07/2008 @ 05:08:27 PM
By the way, unless I'm wrong, they got 2 for Linebrink and 2 for Cordero. And I'm not sure you can get more than 2 for any one player.


I think you're correct, wherever I was reading that from must have been assuming Sheets walks away too and that's where the 4 came from. It was Olney or Stark probably, so to be fair it wasn't an original thought on my part.

Edit: But that would be 4 1st rounders too, compared to I think somewhat lesser picks for Linebrink anyway, Cordero might have been 2 1st rounders.
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07/07/2008 @ 07:37:21 PM
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I am watching the Brewers game, C.C. Sabathia has a Brewers uni on. That is so sweet.

Also, I don't remember where I read a reference to our pitcher on the nutcan team used in a reply to one of my posts, but whoever made that reference should get five nuts. I forget to do it.
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07/07/2008 @ 11:35:34 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 07/05/2008 @ 11:57:24 PM
I think Brian is doing a fine job.
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07/08/2008 @ 07:06:52 AM
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How often to teams like the Brewers sell out on a Tuesday night, because that is what is going to happen tonight!
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07/10/2008 @ 08:53:06 PM
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Corey Hart is an All star. And Ben Sheets might be the all-star starter.
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07/10/2008 @ 09:03:34 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 08:53:06 PM
Corey Hart is an All star.


That's cause I voted for him like 30 times.emoticon
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07/11/2008 @ 05:32:15 PM
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Me too.
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07/13/2008 @ 04:15:04 PM
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Sabathia is 2-0 with the Brewers! And he hit a home run today.

How's this for a story. The Brewers have one player voted in to the All-Star game as a starter (Ryan Braun), 1 player voted in as the 25th man (Corey "Sunglasses at Night" Hart), one of those players is participating in the home run derby (Braun), and Ben Sheets might be the starting pitcher. That would be something.
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07/13/2008 @ 05:15:53 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 04:15:04 PM
How's this for a story.


My first thoughts would be killer, or super cool.
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07/14/2008 @ 06:17:27 PM
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Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 05:15:04 PM
Sabathia is 2-0 with the Brewers! And he hit a home run today. How's this for a story. The Brewers have one player voted in to the All-Star game as a starter (Ryan Braun), 1 player voted in as the 25th man (Corey "Sunglasses at Night" Hart), one of those players is participating in the home run derby (Braun), and Ben Sheets might be the starting pitcher. That would be something.


Sheets is the starting pitcher. My fairy tale story just came true.
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07/14/2008 @ 06:23:27 PM
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Interesting tidbit about the homerun derby. Ryan Braun is having his agent pitch for him. PR Stunt? I just hope he doesn't change his approach and then come back and hit like .220 with 5 homeruns in the 2nd half.
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07/14/2008 @ 10:03:50 PM
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Hurray for J-Mo! Although people couldn't have cared lessemoticon that he won. I felt bad that he had to win it the night Hamilton won over the crowd with his story/home run hitting.
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07/14/2008 @ 10:57:32 PM
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I was almost certain Braun was going to hit exactly 1 homerun in the first round, but he didn't do too shabby for himself. J-Mo got the biggest shaft of any HR Derby winner, he barely got interviewed, the guy presenting the Boys and Girls Club check thought his name was Jason, and the crowd was actually pulling for Hamilton. Never has the winner been so put off. It was kinda cool, though, that Morneau basically had to be coerced into participating and then went on to win the thing.
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07/14/2008 @ 11:29:39 PM
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Did anyone notice the first Hamilton at bat when those kids got into it and got tackled by the cops?

Hopefully that doesn't happen tomorrow when Matt hits one out.
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07/14/2008 @ 11:42:12 PM
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Yeah, it's hard to feel any satisfaction from that HR Derby win. It almost feels like he cheated. Then again it doesn't matter if you go 16-0, you still have to win the Superbowl, amirite? We'll just pretend Justin's strategy was to pace himself better.

Not only was "Jason" not the story, even in the end, they really barely acknowledged he was up the first time. I think he was 5 outs into round 2 before any of the panel said his name.

As far as I know Justin wanted to do it always, it just took a while for MLB to ask him because, as he put it, "they must be asking the good players first."

By the way, did you guys pick up on the fact that apparently that Hamilton guy had some sort of drug problem?

PackOne Wrote - Today @ 11:29:39 PM
Did anyone notice the first Hamilton at bat when those kids got into it and got tackled by the cops?

Hopefully that doesn't happen tomorrow when Matt hits one out.


Yeah, we weren't sure if it was because they looked like they got into it, or if it was because they weren't supposed to be out there.
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07/15/2008 @ 07:53:37 AM
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I'm pretty sure the batter's eye area is always off limits. I loved the choke hold.
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07/15/2008 @ 07:59:58 AM
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Did anyone notice the Jeffery Maier moment in the first round? I can't remember who was at bat, but some fan caught a ball at the wall in right center, and the umpire called it an out. It was definitely not a homerun, but I'm pretty sure Tony Tarasco was sitting on his couch at home just going nuts: "Where the #$%@ was that call 12 years ago!".

Jeffrey Maier saves the day
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07/15/2008 @ 09:11:08 AM
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That's funny man. ^
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07/15/2008 @ 07:17:59 PM
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Longest intros ever
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07/15/2008 @ 08:48:15 PM
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...But Probably the best intros ever. My dad said the intros almost brought tears to his eyes.


Watching Giovani Soto behind the plate makes me wonder how he was named a starter let alone an all-star. This guy apparently has no clue what it means to frame a pitch. When he catches anything that isn't right down the middle, his glove is flaylaing all over the place. both of Sheets' walk probably would have been strikeouts had a decent catcher been in there making some of the borderline pitches not look like wild pitches.
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07/15/2008 @ 09:41:06 PM
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Apparently Braun did not see a pitch he didn't think he could hit out of the park. At least he made contact a couple of times.
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07/15/2008 @ 10:46:19 PM
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for the NY fans to heckle Jonathan Papelbon during an all-star game (and apparently hurling obscenities at his pregnant wife during the parade), they just enforced their standing as the most classless fans in all of sports.
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07/15/2008 @ 11:06:07 PM
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I'm still watching this game, and boy what a game. Aaron cook just got out of a bases loaded, nobody out jam (thanks to 2 errors by Dan Ugla), getting the first two guys to bounce out to home and then getting a pretty spectacular play by Miguel Tejada to get Justin Morneau for out number 3.
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07/15/2008 @ 11:24:59 PM
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What a game. It's going to be a loooong day at work tomorrow.
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07/15/2008 @ 11:59:33 PM
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ok, I'm going to bed. It's 1:00 in the morning where I am and it's still tied. I'll just have to tape the rest of it.
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07/16/2008 @ 12:41:07 AM
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J-Mo FTW! Take that Hart!
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07/16/2008 @ 07:43:23 AM
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That was quite the game. Too long, but good. The teams kept putting guys on base and then the pitching or the rest of the defense would get the outs, except for Uggla and his 3 errors. The Yankee fans were beyond annoying with their chants, but then again they have always been jerks. And while Papalbon has a big mouth, he didn't actually say he was better than Mariano. I'm thinking I am going to need double my dose of Mountain Dew today. emoticon
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07/16/2008 @ 09:19:27 AM
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Sarah Wrote - Today @ 08:43:23 AM
I'm thinking I am going to need double my dose of Mountain Dew today. emoticon


Word. Staying up until 1 or 2 am isn't really a smart thing to do on a work night.
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07/16/2008 @ 04:59:05 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:19:27 AM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 07:43:23 AM
I'm thinking I am going to need double my dose of Mountain Dew today. emoticon


Word. Staying up until 1 or 2 am isn't really a smart thing to do on a work night.


Speaking of which, is anyone going to a midnight showing of The Dark Knight? I really want to go!emoticon
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07/16/2008 @ 06:26:14 PM
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I thought of going. I need to get up too early though. Plus, going with one of the hottest chicks in sports would be aggravating with all the paparazzi and stuff. Sorry.
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07/17/2008 @ 05:05:04 PM
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London's 2 screen were sold out by at least 12:00 today. Micon still had tickets left, so we are going!emoticon
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07/17/2008 @ 06:19:50 PM
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Why, are they showing a BASEBALL game at the London Square? Does the theater have expressed written consent of Major League BASEBALL? Or is it just and implied oral understanding.
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07/18/2008 @ 03:12:10 AM
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Go see the movie!!!!!!
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07/20/2008 @ 11:40:57 AM
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Tom Haudricourt is reporting on his Brewers Blog that a trade bringing Giants second baseman Ray Durham, and perhaps Giants left-handed reliever Jack Taschner, to the Brewers is expected to be announced later today. The Brewers are playing the Giants in San Francisco today at 3:05 p.m.
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07/20/2008 @ 01:27:11 PM
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That is good news for the Brewers, because again they did not lose any big prospects.

Jack Taschner seems to be a decent pickup. Fairly low ERA, doesn't walk a lot of people, so maybe now they have the piece they need to move either Mota or Gange to the minors or place them on waivers. And, he's from Milwaukee and went to UW Oshkosh. That's always cool.

Durham is a pretty sure handed 2b, and if he doesn't take over as the starter for the seemingly ever struggling Rickie Weeks, he will be a great asset off the bench. Durham will be in a Giants uniform for today's game. It would be funny if he started the game, knowing that any good he does for the Giants could hurt the team that he will be playing for possibly tomorrow.

There is no doubt that Doug Melvin is going after this opportunity to catch the Cubs and win the division. Now it's time for the boys to continue to get it done on the field.
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07/20/2008 @ 02:35:45 PM
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I went to a Rays game last night. I've been to 3 Rays games this year and Evan Longoria has hit at least one homerun in each game I've been to. He hit a grandslam off Roy Halladay. It is the 4th homerun I've seen him hit.
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07/20/2008 @ 06:57:46 PM
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Brewers just get Durham, not Taschner.

Brewers are 12 games over .500, 3.0 games behind the cubs, and 2.0 games behind St. Louis going into a 4 game series between the Brewers and the Cardinals. The Cardinals will have to face CC and Sheets.
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07/20/2008 @ 10:21:42 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 02:35:45 PM
I went to a Rays game last night. I've been to 3 Rays games this year and Evan Longoria has hit at least one homerun in each game I've been to. He hit a grandslam off Roy Halladay. It is the 4th homerun I've seen him hit.


Could you please go to every Rays home game then? He's on my fantasy team. Thanks in advance.

I'd be a little worried about bringing in too many new faces at this point of the season, but Weeks really isn't cutting it and the left handed bat will be helpful.
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07/21/2008 @ 10:37:54 PM
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This has gone on long enough!

Carlos Gomez is not a leadoff hitter. Not now. Not in 2008 when we are contending for the division title. He might be one day. Might. But not now.

His on base is now well under .300 on the year.

In July, he is 10-for-65. That's .154 (rounding up). In that time, he has walked 3 times. Just 3 times! Although, it's an improvement compared to April, in which he walked once! Once! For the entire month of April!!!!!!!!!! Strangely enough, those three walks in this month have come in two games in which he had 2 hits in each game. Which leaves 8 games in which he's gone 0-for-4 or worse. Out of 15 games he's batted in. So more than half the games this month he's been in there not producing anything at all. At the top of the order, getting the most plate appearances. Producing nothing. And it's sickening to look at how many times this season he's done that.

Gardenhire, please stop this! You're putting your team at a disadvantage every game you bat him leadoff. He's a number 9 hitter.
While Span is here, he should probably be the leadoff. If not throw in, oh I dunno, just about anybody else to be the leadoff hitter. Oh wait, if I give you the option of anyone else, you'll choose Punto. Gomez and Punto are out. Take anybody else.

This subject was broached when Span first came up a few weeks ago, and Gardenhire sang Gomez's praises and talked about how much "fun" it was to have him playing and have him leading off. I read those comments then, and it made Gardenhire sound silly, but if he keeps Gomez in the leadoff spot much longer it goes from silly to just plain stupid.

P.S. for the record, I generally like Gardenhire and Gomez, though I disagree with how they do their jobs sometimes. I like Gomez in the lineup, just no higher than 8th or 9th (which is where Gardenhire seems to have stuck other young guys over the years, even though some could have batted higher. I always thought Bartlett deserved more plate appearances.).
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07/22/2008 @ 08:17:53 AM
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Gomez is hitting worse than the Brewers pitching staff for the month of july.

Sabathia, Sheets, Dave Bush, Seth McClung, and Manny Parra have combined to bat .176 for the month of July. Dave Bush is 0-5 this month, so without him the Brewers starting pitchers are batting .207.
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07/22/2008 @ 05:15:40 PM
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CC could be a clean-up hitter if he wasn't a pitcher. That guy has some mad skills at the plate for a pitcher.
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07/23/2008 @ 11:01:55 AM
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The Brewers hav homered in 18 consecutive games and have now won 6 straight. With CC and Sheets on the mound the next two days, watch for the Brewers to make it 8 straight and take over first place in the NL central!
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07/23/2008 @ 05:58:22 PM
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Go Crew.
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07/26/2008 @ 09:51:38 AM
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Sabathia is 4-0 with the Brewers and has thrown 3 consecutive complete games. On top of that, Sabathia now is tied for the NL lead in complete games with Ben Sheets for the entire season. Sabathia is tied for first in the NL in complete games and he only has 4 starts in the NL this season.
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Scott screwed with this at 07/26/2008 1:06:20 pm
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07/27/2008 @ 10:23:01 AM
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The Brewers are tied for first place.
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07/28/2008 @ 01:14:53 AM
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Now they're not.
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07/28/2008 @ 08:05:14 AM
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Big series this week for both the Twins and the Brewers, who are playing the White Sox and Cubs respectively.
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07/28/2008 @ 09:30:21 AM
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Sarah Wrote - Today @ 09:05:14 AM
Big series this week for both the Twins and the Brewers, who are playing the White Sox and Cubs respectively.


Important, not big. It's only July afterall. But still, a series for fans to get really excited about indeed.
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07/28/2008 @ 10:12:52 AM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:30:21 AM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 08:05:14 AM
Big series this week for both the Twins and the Brewers, who are playing the White Sox and Cubs respectively.


Important, not big. It's only July afterall. But still, a series for fans to get really excited about indeed.


Meaningful, not important.
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07/28/2008 @ 10:44:52 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:12:52 AM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:30:21 AM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 08:05:14 AM
Big series this week for both the Twins and the Brewers, who are playing the White Sox and Cubs respectively.
Important, not big. It's only July afterall. But still, a series for fans to get really excited about indeed.
Meaningful, not important.


Actually, to nitpick- the series are Meaningful, Important AND Big.

Meaningful- rivalries abound. Both Chicago teams are doing well and the Min and Mil teams need to come out victors in the series.
Important- for the same reasons.
Big- see also, large.
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
07/28/2008 @ 12:51:05 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:12:52 AM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:30:21 AM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 08:05:14 AM
Big series this week for both the Twins and the Brewers, who are playing the White Sox and Cubs respectively.
Important, not big. It's only July afterall. But still, a series for fans to get really excited about indeed.
Meaningful, not important.


I was quoting Lou Pinella with the "important, not big" comment. regardless of the outcome of these two games, however, there are still over 50 games to play for each team involved.

Fun is the better descriptor.
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07/28/2008 @ 01:27:32 PM
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Enjoyable, not fun.
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07/28/2008 @ 02:54:31 PM
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Both.
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07/29/2008 @ 09:41:17 AM
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Can Weeks be consistent, ever?
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07/29/2008 @ 10:09:19 AM
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0-4, failed to turn a pretty routine double play that would have ended the inning maintaining the tie, and threw the ball into the dugout to allow two runs to score. Man, talk about a rough day.
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07/29/2008 @ 11:59:59 AM
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PackOne Wrote - Today @ 09:41:17 AM
Can Weeks be consistent, ever?

Scott Wrote - Today @ 10:09:19 AM
0-4, failed to turn a pretty routine double play that would have ended the inning maintaining the tie, and threw the ball into the dugout to allow two runs to score. Man, talk about a rough day.


He's no Nick Punto, that's for sure. emoticon
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07/29/2008 @ 01:14:42 PM
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I remember I threw in the towel last year because of Weeks, he better not do it to me again this year.
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07/29/2008 @ 04:47:19 PM
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I'll make this prediction, a couple more games like that for Weeks and Durham will become the starting 2nd baseman.

Interesting event: I was in San Francisco for a 5 days on vacation, and I saw a store selling Ray Durham jersey's, not on clearance. He was traded 3 days earlier. I would have been funny if I bought a Ray Durham Giants jersey shirt. I bought a Tim Lincecum jesery t-shirt instead.
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07/30/2008 @ 06:34:28 PM
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Maybe the Brewers will win tonight.
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07/31/2008 @ 09:20:00 AM
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not so much... sorry
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07/31/2008 @ 04:26:41 PM
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The most anticipated series in franchise history was one of the biggest flops ever. Though on an upnote, I do not ever remember getting the type of national media attention for the Brewers. Here's hoping they've hit rock bottom and it's all up from here.
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07/31/2008 @ 08:45:06 PM
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What the hell is up with Pierz.... sucks bleaching his hair like that? I remember thinking people looked like tools when they did that ten years ago.

douuuuuuuche.
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07/31/2008 @ 09:21:42 PM
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Gardy was MAAAAAAAD. Stupid officials, Span was trying to get out of the way. marty foster is a douche.

They're even emptying the field of players until the hats stop coming down from the stands. Ozzy is talking smack with the fans too. Wow. You'll see this on ESPN.
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08/01/2008 @ 07:28:49 PM
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Finally, a day that talking about the Crew doesn't make me mad. Yet. 6-0
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08/01/2008 @ 07:56:19 PM
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Yeah, and weeks has hit the ball hard twice now.
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08/01/2008 @ 09:09:54 PM
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Who's that Ruiz guy? I like him.

(Twin brought up from Rochester this afternoon)

Also, did you see we sent down Livan in favor of Liriano?
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08/02/2008 @ 05:51:18 PM
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The Brewers just set a franchise record with 9 straight road wins. CC Sabathia is 5-0 with a 1.88 ERA in 6 starts since joining the Brewers.

Edit: they tied a franchise record: The Brewers also won nine straight road games from June 8-June 17, 1973.

Go figure: they've lost 5 straight at home, but they've won 9 straight on the road.
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08/02/2008 @ 11:45:37 PM
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C.C. is awesome. He's no Brian but a stud just the same.
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08/03/2008 @ 07:43:22 PM
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Liriano is back! 6 innings, no runs, 5 Ks. White Sox get blown out by KC. Twins are in first place for the first time since May 16th. Cuddyer should be back soon. So much for a rebuilding year huh.
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08/03/2008 @ 09:12:00 PM
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Pleasant surprises. But like Justin Morneau says, nobody really cares if you're in first now, it's Sep 28th when you need to be in first.
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08/05/2008 @ 08:23:57 AM
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Chalk one up to the Choke Monster, last night was a disgrace.
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08/05/2008 @ 10:20:22 AM
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Brewers .... Grrr.
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08/05/2008 @ 04:58:32 PM
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Last night's game was horrific. We were watching about 10 screens of baseball in Vegas, and we saw the Fielder/Parra fight about 100 times, so I guess that was good. But, we left Vegas thinking the Twins were going to blow out the Mariners and when we get back to Minneapolis, find out they lost 11-6. Ridiculous.
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08/05/2008 @ 05:11:07 PM
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Just be thankful you didn't have to watch/listen to it.
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08/05/2008 @ 05:31:52 PM
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I guess there's that. We left at the top o' the 7th.
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08/05/2008 @ 07:35:17 PM
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You wasted time watching baseball when you were in Vegas? What in god's name were you thinkig?
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08/05/2008 @ 08:47:21 PM
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More like "You wasted time going to Vegas when youru team is in a pennant race?"

Actually, I went to San Francisco two weeks ago, so I'm not one to talk.
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08/05/2008 @ 09:20:07 PM
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It's Vegas. If you're doing anything sports related it had better be betting.
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08/09/2008 @ 07:26:10 AM
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CC threw yet another complete game, and yet another shutout. He is 6-0 as a Brewer.
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08/09/2008 @ 09:19:04 PM
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Sheets threw a complete game shutout. CC Sabathia and Sheets are now tied for most complete games in the NL with 4 each. The Brewers have not allowed a run to score in 24 consecutive innings.
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08/09/2008 @ 10:02:24 PM
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Now, if the Crew could just be consistent! They also need to step up to the big teams in the NL, not just Washington.
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08/09/2008 @ 11:10:35 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:19:04 PM
Sheets threw a complete game shutout. CC Sabathia and Sheets are now tied for most complete games in the NL with 4 each. The Brewers have not allowed a run to score in 24 consecutive innings.


I was there!
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08/10/2008 @ 07:10:43 AM
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frozentundrafan Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:02:24 PM
Now, if the Crew could just be consistent! They also need to step up to the big teams in the NL, not just Washington.


They don't really play any of the big teams anymore. They play the Cubs six times still, they play St. Louis on the road for two games, the Phillies on the road for three, and the Mets at home for three. Other than that, they really don't play anyone with a winning record. They kind of just need to keep beating up on theses types of teams. They also have 24 more games at home and 21 on the road. The Brewers have winning records on the road and at home.
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08/10/2008 @ 05:59:15 PM
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Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:10:35 PM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 09:19:04 PM
Sheets threw a complete game shutout. CC Sabathia and Sheets are now tied for most complete games in the NL with 4 each. The Brewers have not allowed a run to score in 24 consecutive innings.
I was there!


I forgot to mention that there was a section of guys, think it was a bachelor party that kept cheering J-E-T-S Jets, Jets, Jets.
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08/13/2008 @ 07:34:18 PM
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Just in case the Weeks haters are wondering, Rickie Weeks is hitting about .290 since the all-star game with an OBP of almost .390.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
08/14/2008 @ 08:43:28 PM
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Milwaukee lost today, FYI. Twins are on Fox on Saturday!
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08/19/2008 @ 10:48:35 AM
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Sabathia throws a complete game last night and Scott hasn't posted about it yet? I think we may need to send somebody to see if he's O.K.

Seriously though, I hope all the Brewers fans out there are preparing for when Sabathia's arm falls off during the playoffs. What was Yost thinking? Sabathia had already thrown 111 pitches through 8, yet Yost sends him back out to throw 19 more with a 9-2 lead.
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08/19/2008 @ 12:03:31 PM
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The man throws a complete game every time he's out there. I can't post every time.

The pitch count is getting a bit noticeable, but Sabathia is a pretty big guy. He seems like he's used to it. Also, he's throwing 130 pitches, but he throws a pretty even game. Meaning, he's not throwing 40 pitches in an inning. He's like a long distance runner.
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08/22/2008 @ 07:58:10 AM
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I was excited to see that the Twins finally won the game in the 12th against the Angels. But then I saw how they did it, poor T.Hunt! Oh well, we need the wins more and have a very long road trip ahead of us.
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08/22/2008 @ 09:45:35 AM
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If you chase the money, you deserve to Eff up... especially if you Eff up a play you've been KNOWN to make at HOME (at the DOME).

Rhyme.
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08/22/2008 @ 12:49:28 PM
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Maybe he was just trying to help out his old buddies.
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08/22/2008 @ 04:15:45 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 09:45:35 AM
If you chase the money, you deserve to Eff up... especially if you Eff up a play you've been KNOWN to make at HOME (at the DOME). Rhyme.


By that logic, 99-100% of the baseball players on any team, including the Twins, desrve to eff up such a play.
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08/23/2008 @ 06:00:19 PM
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The White Sox did their part today, let's hope the Twins can do theirs!
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08/23/2008 @ 09:04:47 PM
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The Brewers are 20 games over .500 for the first time since 1992, when they finished the season 92-70.
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08/25/2008 @ 12:45:09 PM
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08/25/2008 @ 05:16:54 PM
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If the Twins lose the division by 1/2 game, I know exactly who to blame. Stupid AJ, even when he's not playing directly against us, he's still screwing things up.

http://tampabay.rays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080824&content_id=3363188&vkey=news_tb&fext=.jsp&c_id=tb

Ridiculous. I saw it happen and it was AJ who ran into the other guy. Makes me mad. Everything was going right yesterday, Twins were winning, White Sox were losing, and the Brewers blew a lead. Of course everything had to go exactly the opposite way I wanted them to in the end.
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08/25/2008 @ 05:33:17 PM
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I saw it live too, that was a horrible call.
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08/25/2008 @ 06:47:12 PM
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Also, it's impossible to lose a division by 1/2 game, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.
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08/25/2008 @ 08:35:49 PM
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Apparently Sarah actually wishes ill-will towards the Brewers? Or was the "blowing" of the lead the thing you didn't want to happen?
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08/25/2008 @ 08:54:13 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 08:35:49 PM
Apparently Sarah actually wishes ill-will towards the Brewers? Or was the "blowing" of the lead the thing you didn't want to happen?


Not if you read the sentence the way I intended it to be.emoticon
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08/26/2008 @ 11:05:15 PM
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Sarah Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:54:13 PM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:35:49 PM
Apparently Sarah actually wishes ill-will towards the Brewers? Or was the "blowing" of the lead the thing you didn't want to happen?
Not if you read the sentence the way I intended it to be.emoticon


I don't think that statement really clarified things, since Scott kind of put two opposite statements out there for you to pick from.

But to answer you more directly, Scott, I believe she was wishing for a Brewers loss.
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08/27/2008 @ 07:46:23 AM
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I answered the 2nd part, which answered the 1st part.
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08/27/2008 @ 10:31:28 PM
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Tony Larussa is a bum. The Manny Parra pitches a ball slightly inside to Albert Pujols--he had to lean out of the way but didn't have to move his feet. So what Tony "I'm a jackass" Larussa do to retaliate, throw a fastball in on the ribs of Ryan Braun. Braun has been nursing sore back and ribs for about 2 weeks. In other words, Larussa did the equivalent of throwing at a guys knee who just came off the DL because of his knee.

Ultimately the Brewers kind of blew this game, but Larussa is still a bum.
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08/28/2008 @ 12:57:01 PM
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just a bum? Do you have anything more powerful in the arsenal, or are you just not that "bummed" by what he did?
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08/28/2008 @ 01:44:47 PM
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I didn't see it, so I guess La Russa could have had been holding up Ryan Bruan voodoo doll, and a copy of his medical report, showing his pitcher exactly where to hit him. However, guys getting hit by pitches happens all the time, which by extension means one guy getting hit on one team followed up shortly there after by someone on the other team getting hit is going to happen semi-regularly. Does it HAVE to mean it was intentional?

Furthermore, if it was intentional, where else would it be "aimed" for? The side of his knee? His head?
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08/28/2008 @ 02:59:44 PM
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Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:31:28 PM
Tony Larussa is a bum. The Manny Parra pitches a ball slightly inside to Albert Pujols--he had to lean out of the way but didn't have to move his feet. So what Tony "I'm a jackass" Larussa do to retaliate, throw a fastball in on the ribs of Ryan Braun. Braun has been nursing sore back and ribs for about 2 weeks. In other words, Larussa did the equivalent of...


Here's where you should have included a Karate Kid reference with the words "sweep the leg"

Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 01:44:47 PM
I didn't see it, so I guess La Russa could have had been holding up Ryan Bruan voodoo doll, and a copy of his medical report, showing his pitcher exactly where to hit him. However, guys getting hit by pitches happens all the time, which by extension means one guy getting hit on one team followed up shortly there after by someone on the other team getting hit is going to happen semi-regularly. Does it HAVE to mean it was intentional? Furthermore, if it was intentional, where else would it be "aimed" for? The side of his knee? His head?


While technically true that it's not certainly intentional, I don't think it stretches the imagination much at all to think this was done intentionally. May not be able to prove it in a criminal court case, but it seems reasonable. (enough in a civil case maybe? I don't know.) As for the location, I assume LaRussa and the pitcher do know about Braun's injuries, but could easily have just been going for the center of mass. People shouldn't throw at each other though.
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08/28/2008 @ 03:22:43 PM
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Obviously it's in the realm of possibility, and probably happens all the time, that someone does go after someone intentionally. I just think announcers/fans get a little too carried away with attaching motives to events that happen about once a game and thus will often coincide with something else semi-notable happening. "Oooooh that must have been retaliation for [hitting a home run earlier][someone else getting hit earlier][odd numbered jersey][hitting a homerun against the pitcher weeks/seasons ago][batter cracked wise about pitchers momma][batter hit game winning hit the night before and pitcher felt 5th inning was the obvious time to retaliate][Batter is libra pitcher is scorpio and the current mars/moon alignment is bad for their relationship]"
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09/01/2008 @ 07:13:31 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 08/28/2008 @ 04:22:43 PM
Obviously it's in the realm of possibility, and probably happens all the time, that someone does go after someone intentionally. I just think announcers/fans get a little too carried away with attaching motives to events that happen about once a game and thus will often coincide with something else semi-notable happening. "Oooooh that must have been retaliation for [hitting a home run earlier][someone else getting hit earlier][odd numbered jersey][hitting a homerun against the pitcher weeks/seasons ago][batter cracked wise about pitchers momma][batter hit game winning hit the night before and pitcher felt 5th inning was the obvious time to retaliate][Batter is libra pitcher is scorpio and the current mars/moon alignment is bad for their relationship]"


Well, LaRussa has a reputation of retaliation. I don't think he would ever say, "hey, this guy has bruised ribs, lets hit him there, but it's still pretty cheap to do such a thing. And to be honest, when the Cardinals slugger gets brushed back and then the very next time the Brewers #1 slugger appears at the plate he gets plunked on the first pitch (who by the way had one of the best seasons ever by an opposing player against the Cardinals), that's beyond the reasonible doubt that it was indeed intentional.


In other news, CC Sabathia got absolutely robbed of a no-hitter by the official scorer yesterday. A little nubber of a bunt that Sabathia absolutely booted was ruled a hit. The Brewers are filing an appeal, and I think in a fair world, they should get the call reversed (they've gotten an official ruling reversed once already this season). If you get a chance, try to watch the replay on espn, because it was a pretty horrible call.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
09/01/2008 @ 11:31:34 AM
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See CC's error here:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sportsminute
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09/01/2008 @ 01:46:22 PM
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Anyone want to go to the Brewers' game on Sunday? Cory Hart Bobblehead day...
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09/01/2008 @ 02:16:02 PM
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Am I the only one that thinks it's incredibly lame that the Brewers and their fans are making a big deal out of a questionable scoring decision, which happens like 5 times a game, only because it meant something in hindsight, and especially because it was CC's play to make? You're essentially arguing that CC should get credit for a no hitter because CC himself blew a play where he should have been able to easily get a guy out, but didn't. I mean, I get what the argument is, but you'd have to admit you're arguing a pretty lame "on paper only" technicality, which didn't exactly happen at the end of the game anyway, yes? (And I don't mean to pick on Scott, that's all the news and whatnot was talking about, and Ned Yost had a full blown hissy fit after the game about the "call".)
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09/01/2008 @ 03:20:34 PM
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Sarah Wrote - 07/16/2008 @ 04:59:05 PM
Speaking of which, is anyone going to a midnight showing of The Dark Knight? I really want to go!emoticon

Sarah Wrote - Today @ 01:46:22 PM
Anyone want to go to the Brewers' game on Sunday? Cory Hart Bobblehead day...


Don't you mean "Is anybody going to the Brewers' game on Sunday?" emoticon
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09/01/2008 @ 03:43:54 PM
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Why twice? Go Mario Kart! I beat one more grand prix and I unlock a whole 'nother circuit! emoticon
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09/01/2008 @ 04:09:43 PM
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Ok, so apparently I don't unlock another cup. Back to the Brewers game, I kind of want to go, but if we get the Jets game that will be way more important than a Hart Bobblehead. I can always buy one off of Ebay. I still want to go see the Dark Knight again.
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09/01/2008 @ 09:35:33 PM
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On the CC no hitter, I'm sure that it's getting way overblown, but I think it should have been an error. Yost has plenty of other things he needs to be worrying about (like Riske), but I'm ok with the team appealing it. I don't think that the inning or the particular defensive player involved should really have anything to do with it.
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09/01/2008 @ 10:09:24 PM
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Well, the whole error system, to me at least, is all about making it so that someone else screwing up doesn't effect the pitcher's numbers adversely. If the pitcher himself screws up, then I really don't see the point in bothering.

At any rate, I wasn't claiming it was or wasn't anything. I was simply stating the fact that everyone stomping around like 2 year old's because "it's so obvious" that CC blew "such an easy out" and therefor should get credited with an error so his no hitter stays intact is BEYOND silly. The player IS important to that argument. If JJ Hardy screwed up and CC was robbed of a No-No because of it then that would be different. If the pitcher blows his own no hitter by punting a ball then I'm not going to feel a whole lot of sympathy.

The inning is most definitely paramount. If we were talking about this play in the first inning then CC wasn't "robbed" of anything, it just so happened that with hindsight being what it is that was an important scoring decision. If this play happened with 2 outs in the 9th then that raises the odds that a home scorer didn't want to get no hit. This happening in the middle of the game still leans more toward "not robbed of anything" since players take no hitters into 6 plus innings all the time before giving up 5 hits. If CC gave up a couple hits after the fifth no one would even have remembered, much less questioned, the scoring decision.
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newalex.jpgAlex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel
09/01/2008 @ 11:00:51 PM
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I guess my point of view on the error system is entirely different. It affects the hitter's numbers as much (well maybe not since you get more at bats than innings pitched) as the pitcher's and it's just more of a book keeping note that it actually wasn't a good hit and someone screwed up defensively, whether it was the pitcher or not. And in my mind, either the scorer should think that the play should have been made or not, 1st inning or 10th inning. I'm not sure if people are saying that there was any homerism involved in the scoring, but I wouldn't go there in this case, I just disagree with the scorer's assessment.

Does the fact that the play would have been overlooked if he had given up more hits really have anything to do with the merit of the argument that it should have been an error? I say no.
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09/01/2008 @ 11:23:07 PM
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I understand being disappointed by not getting the no hitter and all, but I also think it's not that big of a deal.

For one, we all get a little too wrapped up in certain things like no-hitters, hitting streaks, cycles, and other things where it's, no doubt, a great accomplishment, but it's celebrated as something even more great because it fits nice and cleanly into our minds.

Not to get too philosophical, but Sabathia's performance won't actually have changed if they change the play to an error. It's the same performance either way.
It won't become any better a pitching outing if it's ruled an error, and it is no less of a great day if it remains a hit. It's the same performance either way. I mean, I like to put correct labels on things as much as the next guy. Maybe more than the next guy depending on who it is. And actually, that can be a very important pursuit. But sometimes we ascribe too much importance to labels. And I wonder if this is one of those times.

I'll grant you that a no-hitter will bring more accolades and get him mentioned more on SportsCenter for as long as baseball exists, so yeah he might miss out on that and he might have "deserved" it. But, it's not like it actually makes his performance necessarily equal to other no-hitters. Within the no-hit club, I bet there are pitchers who pitched games where they never even put their team in a position to have a questionable ruling affect the game. Also within the no-hit club are pitchers who are only there because they had a really good fielder make a great play to rob someone of what would normally be a hit. Also, there are probably people who aren't in the no-hit club, but are instead in the 1-hit club, but who could have had a no-hitter if they had a speedier or more able fielder get to a fly ball or grounder. Instead, they had some slow guy or average guy who couldn't even get a glove on the ball, so they weren't even able to turn a hit into a questionable hit/error like Sabathia's, much less turn it into an out like some other fielders would.

My point of all this rambling? The game he pitched is the game he pitched. Did he pitch a no-hitter with a questionable error? Or a 1-hitter with a questionable hit? A rare half-hitter? That last one is maybe the most accurate. Or maybe one of the other two. Putting the "no-hitter" ribbon on it makes it look better to subsequent generations who see the stat line, but that's only because we don't categorize them any more precisely than no-hit or 1-hit, even though we've just seen how there can be wiggle room invloved.
So no matter what the final ruling is, 1-hitter or no-hitter, he pitched a great game that included a play that probably could have gone either way. That's what happened, and unless I'm mistaken, that can't be changed.
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09/01/2008 @ 11:50:13 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:09:24 PM
Well, the whole error system, to me at least, is all about making it so that someone else screwing up doesn't effect the pitcher's numbers adversely. If the pitcher himself screws up, then I really don't see the point in bothering.

At any rate, I wasn't claiming it was or wasn't anything. I was simply stating the fact that everyone stomping around like 2 year old's because "it's so obvious" that CC blew "such an easy out" and therefor should get credited with an error so his no hitter stays intact is BEYOND silly. The player IS important to that argument. If JJ Hardy screwed up and CC was robbed of a No-No because of it then that would be different. If the pitcher blows his own no hitter by punting a ball then I'm not going to feel a whole lot of sympathy.


Well, I understand your point. And I admit it's goofy that it's his own fielding that makes the difference.

And I guess you don't have to feel sympathy for him. But it's not really about your sympathy or about the pitcher screwing up his own numbers by a fielding mistake he made.

As I understand it, the hit vs. out/error decision reflects, ideally, the outcome of the pitcher vs. batter matchup -- not what anyone, including the pitcher did after it was put into play. Ideally, once it's put into play, it was either done so in a fashion that was a hit or in the fashion that it is an out or an error. So it's basically independent of the fielders. Again, ideally. So, you have to separate Sabathia the pitcher from Sabathia the fielder. His pitching determined the way it was put into play, which is what makes it a hit or not. So Sabathia the pitcher could easily deserve a no-hitter on a given day even if Sabathia the fielder is the most incompetent fielder ever and commits 87 errors. He would still have pitched well enough to earn a no-hitter. You can't punish his pitching for bad fielding even if it's his own. They are independent of each other. As I understand it.
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09/02/2008 @ 12:21:03 AM
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I never said I didn't understand the argument, in fact I said the opposite, I just said that it's silly and/or lame to get in such a tizzy over such a lame technicality, which likely happens all the time, especially factoring in that, in this case, his own boobery mucked up his own no-hitter. I stand by that statement.
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09/02/2008 @ 08:15:16 AM
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Silly or not, the official scorer absolutely blew the call robbing everyone of one of the most exciting moments in all of sports. It makes absolutely no difference that the pitcher was the one that committed the error. I go on record to say that Jeremy's statement is just plain wrong!

Changing the call now won't matter at all. Like Jon said, it really won't change the performance he had. What does suck though, is that no matter what team you root for, when someone takes a no-hitter into the 9th inning, the entire baseball nation tunes in. ESPN usually will cut to the game, and it is a celebration that goes beyond the team and really beyond the game. The baseball world got robbed of that by a philosophical scorer who blew a no-brainer call. The call is the equivalent of calling a ball on a pitch a batter took a full swing on.

Just for the record, I was not watching the game at the time (I was at a Rays game). I would have missed the whole thing anyway. So in reality, my being upset is because of baseball getting screwed, not me.
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09/02/2008 @ 09:14:39 AM
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From JSOnline.com:

The Brewers made a similar appeal to MLB when Guillermo Mota was charged with two earned runs in Houston after an obvious error by Prince Fielder that was ruled a hit and eventually led to a two-run home run. It took about two weeks for the decision to be made, but it ended up being changed to an error and the runs were taken off Mota’s record.
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09/02/2008 @ 09:44:15 AM
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Oh, for Christs' sake people.....I NEVER SAID IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ERROR. On some level, even only philosophically, you'd have to admit it's a bit silly there's all this hubbub about a guy blowing his own no-hitter. If you think about it, the official scorer was actually giving CC the benefit of the doubt by deciding that would have been a tough play to make anyway. What everyone is arguing is that CC blew such an easy, no-brainer, automatic out that he should indirectly be credited with something that implies a level perfection some pitchers spend their careers hoping to achieve. All I'm wondering is if those beer tinted glasses will, at the very least, let you see the irony in that. That's it. That's all.
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09/02/2008 @ 10:37:11 AM
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Yes you did-

Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 12:21:03 AM
...I didn't understand the argument...

Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 09:44:15 AM
... IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ERROR...
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09/02/2008 @ 05:09:13 PM
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Get over it already, Brewers suck, as does CC. My life hasn't been dramatically altered because CC didn't get the no-hitter. Maybe Brewer fans should be more concerned about how their coach reacted and such, since you really should be focused on the playoffs and not some stupid thing like this.
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09/02/2008 @ 05:47:24 PM
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Sarah Wrote - Today @ 06:09:13 PM
Get over it already, Brewers suck, as does CC. My life hasn't been dramatically altered because CC didn't get the no-hitter. Maybe Brewer fans should be more concerned about how their coach reacted and such, since you really should be focused on the playoffs and not some stupid thing like this.


I'll say Yost understands the history of the game. His reaction was very fitting, and as the MANAGER he should have reacted that way. That's a good manager right there sticking up for his players, and a good manager will do that regardless of the situation. Your life hasn't been changed, and many people probably don't care, but there are a lot of casual baseball fans that I don't lump into the same group as people like me who are students of the game and diehards and really appreciate accomplishments like this (I've been a diehard baseball fan longer than I can remember, and I've never witnessed my team through a no-hitter (I was 4 the last time a Brewer did it)). Pirates fans were actually chanting "Change the score" towards the end of the game. I'll get over it, but it just stinks that true baseball fans who really enjoy this sort of thing really did get robbed.

Also, I'll take the credibility of saying a guy with a 1.35 ERA sucks with a grain of salt I guess.

Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:44:15 AM
All I'm wondering is if those beer tinted glasses will, at the very least, let you see the irony in that. That's it. That's all.


Once again, pitching and fielding are different aspects of the game, it doesn't matter who made the play. There is also a difference between a perfect game an a no-hitter. I'm not claiming a perfect game, a no-hitter is a no-hitter, not a perfect game necessarily.

Ultimately it doesn't matter, the moment is long gone and giving him the no-hitter will just put a stat in the history books. But that moment was taken from those who live for those sort of moments. I would love to have heard HOF broadcaster Bob Uecker call this no-hitter, even if I had to listen to it after I knew the outcome. It's those kinds of things that just make me sad for the situation.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - Washington Bureau Chief
09/02/2008 @ 06:24:03 PM
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1. It may be true that it should have been called an error, but it wasn't as obvious a call as all the Brewers fans are claiming. The ball was still moving and he tried to barehand it. Most of the time when the fielder tries to barehand the ball its going to be called a hit (EDIT: I initially wrote error here, when I meant hit).

2. While I'm all for managers sticking up for their players, Yost's reaction seemed to be a bit much, at least to me.

3. While it's true that the pitching and fielding aspects are seperate in these situations. Knowing that it was Sabathia's own mistake makes it harder to feel sorry for him.

4. If the play was ruled an error in the first case, it is not a certainty that things would have played out the same as they did. Sabathia's nerves may have ended up getting to him, or some of the Pirate batters may have approached things differently.

5. This is only sort of related, but I've always had a problem treating all no hitters essentially the same. While pitching a no hitter is a big accomplishment, when you see some pitcher who throws one while also issuing like 5 walks, it takes some of the impressiveness away.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
09/03/2008 @ 08:26:37 AM
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I agree with Scott and Matt both.

So Jeremy- at what point do people start wearing "beer tinted googles"? Is it one beer? Two beers? How about if the guy behind me is breathing beer on me- or better yet, spilling it?

I feel bad for CC, but 5 walks? Come on, that's kind of a lot.
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09/03/2008 @ 12:35:20 PM
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What's with all this talk about sympathy and feeling bad/sorry for CC blah, blah, blah. There's no crying in baseball!
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matt.jpgMatt - 3354 Posts
09/03/2008 @ 02:34:14 PM
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In case anyone cares, I made a correction in my post above. In point #1, I wrote error when I really meant hit.
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09/03/2008 @ 02:46:32 PM
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I assumed you meant that, thought you could have just been saying "It could have gone either way" in a round-about way as well.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - "Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else."
09/03/2008 @ 04:02:55 PM
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Matt Wrote - Today @ 02:34:14 PM
In case anyone cares, I made a correction in my post above. In point #1, I wrote error when I really meant hit.


That's a pretty big correction...
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09/03/2008 @ 04:04:15 PM
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Alex Wrote - Today @ 12:35:20 PM
What's with all this talk about sympathy and feeling bad/sorry for CC blah, blah, blah. There's no crying in baseball!


FYI Tom Hanks played a pretty decent prick in that movie... emoticon
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09/03/2008 @ 05:42:45 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 04:04:15 PM
Alex Wrote - Today @ 12:35:20 PM
What's with all this talk about sympathy and feeling bad/sorry for CC blah, blah, blah. There's no crying in baseball!


FYI Tom Hanks played a pretty decent prick in that movie... emoticon


I was going to make a "we've all been to the dentist" reference here, but decided only half of the people would it get, so I decided not to.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
09/03/2008 @ 09:04:11 PM
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Alright, now I love the Twins, but I have to say this.

They deserve a big shit burger right now- three costly errors, each of which I believe were worth runs, have cost us this game (so far,bottom of 9th and tied).

Tolbert and Pridie? No wonder you two were at Rochester until last week. Come on Twins, stop choking when it comes to taking 1st.
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09/03/2008 @ 09:30:49 PM
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Did Nathan just get out of bases loaded in the 10th? I'm shocked...
I didn't see the errors, but I was semi watching the game online when 2 throwing errors happened. Shape up peoples!
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09/03/2008 @ 10:40:29 PM
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Twins suck
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09/03/2008 @ 10:44:27 PM
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1. They do.

2. Stop copying me!!
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09/04/2008 @ 03:19:39 AM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Yesterday @ 04:02:55 PM
Matt Wrote - Yesterday @ 02:34:14 PM
In case anyone cares, I made a correction in my post above. In point #1, I wrote error when I really meant hit.
That's a pretty big correction...


It is a pretty big correction. Matt actually made a dvd of the post and sent it to the MLB offices to have it changed. You should have heard Ned Yost when he saw the need for the correction. "Anybody who's ever read any post on the internet knows he should have typed 'hit.' Matt just cheated the entire internet out of a special moment."
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09/04/2008 @ 07:12:57 AM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM
Alright, now I love the Twins, but I have to say this. They deserve a big shit burger right now- three costly errors, each of which I believe were worth runs, have cost us this game (so far,bottom of 9th and tied). Tolbert and Pridie? No wonder you two were at Rochester until last week. Come on Twins, stop choking when it comes to taking 1st.


I keep trying to convince myself that the Twins are good enough to make it to the post season but it's getting harder. The only reason they are still in the race is due to Chicago's mediocre play as well. During this dreadful road trip (thank you stupid republicans) they have had leads and chances to win just about every game. The bullpen cannot be trusted with leads, and when Nathan blows 2 saves in a span of 4 games somethings wrong. I know they are only 1 game out with 23 to go, but this team needs something to get them out of this. Since when do the Twins make this many errors, at least they will be back in the dome this weekend.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
09/04/2008 @ 08:21:51 AM
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... to play Detroit and Kansas City. Anyone else nervous?
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09/04/2008 @ 08:25:09 AM
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Scott Wrote - 04/12/2008 @ 03:58:55 PM
Yeah, don't worry Twins fans. Santana clearly doesn't have the same mojo he had with the Twins. He even gave up a homer to Gabe Kapler of all people.


ERA W-L SO WHIP
2.71 12-7 169 1.15
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09/04/2008 @ 10:01:35 AM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 08:25:09 AM
Scott Wrote - 04/12/2008 @ 03:58:55 PM
Yeah, don't worry Twins fans. Santana clearly doesn't have the same mojo he had with the Twins. He even gave up a homer to Gabe Kapler of all people.


ERA W-L SO WHIP
2.71 12-7 169 1.15


Johan giving up at least one homer a game to the least likely suspect is exactly the same mojo he had with the Twins.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - www.digi.com
09/04/2008 @ 02:43:18 PM
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This isn't the right place to post this, but it's relevant to the above:

I hit space 5x to space the stats, but when I saved the comment, it got rid of all but the one space. Did you set that up on purpose, or was that some kind of unknown benefit?
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09/04/2008 @ 02:53:16 PM
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That's just how HTML works, you can put one space or 1000 and you'll get one space and like it.
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