2008 Pro Bowl Rosters

12/18/2007 4:16 pm
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Seven Vikings named (6 starters).

A. Peterson, T. Richardson, S. Hutchinson, The Williams Bros., D. Sharper starting. M. Birk on the bench.


Four Packers named (3 starters).

B. Favre, A. Kampman, A. Harris starting. D. Driver on the bench
fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/18/2007 @ 04:35:08 PM
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Wow, and if you consider the "any poll type thing online gets skewed horribly to the Packers" factor, that's a landslide.

Suck it Packers! emoticonemoticonemoticonemoticonemoticon
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12/18/2007 @ 05:03:29 PM
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Yes, but the Vikings never won a Super Bowl. emoticon
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
12/18/2007 @ 05:13:54 PM
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I never get angry at anything the fans vote counts for part of. Fans are dumb.

P.S. Sharper sucks
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/18/2007 @ 05:24:16 PM
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By the way, in case anyone wonders what the emoticon theater was up there is, it was me being over excited then coming to the realization I really don't care.
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
12/18/2007 @ 07:38:09 PM
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As always some of the choices are pretty bad and no one will watch the Pro Bowl anyway.

Woodson missed a game, but is playing way better than Harris.

There's an interesting chart here that calculates victories - pro bowlers. I not sure what it means if anything, but the Packers are way higher than the Vikings so I like it.
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
12/18/2007 @ 09:16:56 PM
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A link to an NFL.com article that clearly states the Pack got hosed. It is the NFL and they would know.

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story;jsessionid=606A598E09DAB988D1C49CFA6FEC1C49?id=09000d5d8053b527&template=with-video&confirm=true
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/18/2007 @ 09:29:56 PM
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Alex Wrote - 12/18/2007 @ 07:38:09 PM
As always some of the choices are pretty bad and no one will watch the Pro Bowl anyway.

Woodson missed a game, but is playing way better than Harris.

There's an interesting chart here that calculates victories - pro bowlers. I not sure what it means if anything, but the Packers are way higher than the Vikings so I like it.


I think I'll make a new nutcan ranking system. I think your posts in the last month divided by letters in your username sounds like a good system. I mean....you'd end up with a number, right?
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
12/18/2007 @ 09:38:57 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 12/18/2007 @ 09:29:56 PM
Alex Wrote - 12/18/2007 @ 07:38:09 PM
As always some of the choices are pretty bad and no one will watch the Pro Bowl anyway. Woodson missed a game, but is playing way better than Harris. There's an interesting chart here that calculates victories - pro bowlers. I not sure what it means if anything, but the Packers are way higher than the Vikings so I like it.
I think I'll make a new nutcan ranking system. I think your posts in the last month divided by letters in your username sounds like a good system. I mean....you'd end up with a number, right?


I don't think it's quite that arbitrary. You'd think that teams with Pro Bowl players would generally have better records than teams without Pro Bowl players. I guess it really just points out how much football is a team game more than anything.

Still, Sharper is a bit of a reach and the Viking's defense isn't so great that both DTs should make the Pro Bowl.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - No one's gay for Moleman
12/18/2007 @ 09:44:58 PM
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Well for starters a lot of times you go to the probowl a year after you really deserve to go. Secondly, Sharper is just a name a lot of people know, which is why nothing should ever be based off fan votes.
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newalex.jpgAlex - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so!
12/18/2007 @ 09:49:56 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 12/18/2007 @ 09:44:58 PM
Well for starters a lot of times you go to the probowl a year after you really deserve to go. Secondly, Sharper is just a name a lot of people know, which is why nothing should ever be based off fan votes.


Good point. Lets start a BCS like system to choose Pro Bowlers. They should just add in a computer vote as part of the total vote. Does Hollinger compute PER for football like he does for basketball?
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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
12/18/2007 @ 10:17:21 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 12/18/2007 @ 04:35:08 PM
Wow, and if you consider the "any poll type thing online gets skewed horribly to the Packers" factor, that's a landslide. Suck it Packers! emoticonemoticonemoticonemoticonemoticon


If you looked at the end results of fan voting, it was basically all Cowboys. I think Woodson got hosed.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style."
12/18/2007 @ 10:33:40 PM
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Packers are 12-2, the vikes what, 8-6? "Suck it Packers!"? indeed...
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
12/19/2007 @ 07:29:22 AM
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I'm just trying to figure out what the Packers need to do to get an offensive lineman in the Pro Bowl. I mean seriously. Clifton and Taucher are as good as any tackles in the league.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich
12/19/2007 @ 09:18:30 AM
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"as good" that's why.
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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
12/19/2007 @ 04:10:23 PM
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Scott Wrote - 12/19/2007 @ 07:29:22 AM
I'm just trying to figure out what the Packers need to do to get an offensive lineman in the Pro Bowl. I mean seriously. Clifton and Taucher are as good as any tackles in the league.


Well you see scott,
"Interestingly enough, the Packers offensive line has been considered one of their weaknesses on offense this year. Until the Carolina game, they still hadn't decided on a definite start for the 2 guard positions. The Packers have used lots of 3 step drops and fire, or shotgun, which can make a QB look untouchable when it's really the play calling that accounts for a potential weakness at the O-line position. Now, that being said, the Packers O-line could be considered pretty good in other realms."
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
12/19/2007 @ 07:23:40 PM
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Clifton sux, he's always getting penalties. How come Barnett didn't make it?
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12/20/2007 @ 07:13:52 AM
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Jon Wrote - 12/19/2007 @ 04:10:23 PM
Scott Wrote - 12/19/2007 @ 07:29:22 AM
I'm just trying to figure out what the Packers need to do to get an offensive lineman in the Pro Bowl. I mean seriously. Clifton and Taucher are as good as any tackles in the league.
Well you see scott, "Interestingly enough, the Packers offensive line has been considered one of their weaknesses on offense this year. Until the Carolina game, they still hadn't decided on a definite start for the 2 guard positions. The Packers have used lots of 3 step drops and fire, or shotgun, which can make a QB look untouchable when it's really the play calling that accounts for a potential weakness at the O-line position. Now, that being said, the Packers O-line could be considered pretty good in other realms."


Four trees/nuts for using my own words to argue against me. I am the great debater.
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newalex.jpgAlex - Who controls the past now controls the future
12/20/2007 @ 08:52:30 PM
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So that Willie Parker guy that no one has ever heard of that made the Pro Bowl for no apparent reason? Now he's hurt and out of the game.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
12/16/2008 @ 05:35:01 PM
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http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d80d60467&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Favre's going (well he probably won't literally go) but a certain GB QB isn't going. I rest my case. emoticon
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
12/17/2008 @ 07:54:35 AM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 12/18/2007 @ 10:33:40 PM
Packers are 12-2, the vikes what, 8-6? "Suck it Packers!"? indeed...


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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - Check yourself before you wriggity wreck yourself.
12/19/2008 @ 09:44:33 AM
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Sarah Wrote - 12/16/2008 @ 05:35:01 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d80d60467&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true Favre's going (well he probably won't literally go) but a certain GB QB isn't going. I rest my case. emoticon


Resting your case in a popularity contest. Okay. Greg Jennings got hosed if anyone. Too bad Aaron leads Favre in every category but two: interceptions and wins. But, I'm sure the six other Jets Pro Bowlers didn't help that at all.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - I hate our freedoms
12/19/2008 @ 10:18:22 AM
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PackOne Wrote - Today @ 09:44:33 AM
Sarah Wrote - 12/16/2008 @ 05:35:01 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d80d60467&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true Favre's going (well he probably won't literally go) but a certain GB QB isn't going. I rest my case. emoticon


Resting your case in a popularity contest. Okay. Greg Jennings got hosed if anyone. Too bad Aaron leads Favre in every category but two: interceptions and wins. But, I'm sure the six other Jets Pro Bowlers didn't help that at all.


You either get to argue going to the Pro Bowl is a semi-meaningless popularity contest, or that it's a good indicator of other talent on the team. Rodgers had virtually the same team around him Favre had around him last year, which is a much better "well, if they had the same team around them..." comparison than what you seem to be doing by implying the Jets are a superior team.

Now, I'm not saying Sarah has a valid point either. Brett Favre isn't superior to Rodgers because Brett made the probowl and Rodgers didn't. Brett Favre is superior because he's better.

Comparing QB stats isn't comparing apples to apples. In fact QB's tend to put up their best numbers in losing efforts, which is the one category Rodgers is definitely running away with.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Robots don't say 'ye'
12/19/2008 @ 11:56:39 AM
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Bill Simmons' Power Rankings

21. Green Bay Packers
If I had told you in June that Brett Favre would make the Pro Bowl as a Jet and Aaron Rodgers would lead the Pack to a 5-9 record, including an 0-6 mark in games decided by four points or fewer, you would have responded, "And this was followed by Packers fans rioting all over Wisconsin, setting off cheese curd fires, littering the streets with dark beer and hanging themselves with XXXXXL replica Favre jerseys, right?" Nope. Not even close.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
12/19/2008 @ 01:00:38 PM
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Don't worry, Jeremy, your gloating will turn to choking when the vikes fail to make any real championship run.
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newalex.jpgAlex - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret
12/19/2008 @ 01:31:51 PM
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Because Nutcan is all about fair and balanced coverage:

12. Minnesota Vikings
You might remember that I made Tarvaris Jackson's replica jersey my 48th-worst NFL gift last week. When he threw for four touchdowns against the Cards on Sunday, I braced myself for a slew of "Ha ha you suck, Tarvaris rules!" e-mails from the Minnesota area. Nope. I didn't get a single one. Now what does THAT tell you? I'd say more but I'm so excited to wager against Jackson in the playoffs that I can barely hold a thought in my head. I hope the Vikings are laying points in the first round. I hope to see my bookie and shake his hand. I hope the Pacific is as blue as it is in my dreams. I hope.

(My favorite headline of the week: "JACKSON? FREROTTE? THE INTRIGUE BUILDS." Um … it does? Should I move to the edge of my seat just so I don't feel left out? I've watched "Scooby Doo" episodes with my daughter that had more building intrigue than Jackson versus Frerotte. I'm not kidding. You should have seen the twist in the Abominable Snowman episode we just watched. Turned out it was Mr. Hanrahan all along. Who saw that coming?)
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newalex.jpgAlex - Refactor Mercilessly
12/19/2008 @ 01:33:38 PM
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I would argue that going to the Pro Bowl is an utterly meaningless popularity contest, not just semi.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!?
12/19/2008 @ 01:50:09 PM
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I wasn't gloating, or giving "unbalanced coverage." His comment is very apropos to what we've been talking about lately. People should be pissed, but they aren't, because one way or another Packer fans seem to convince themselves that everyone who has anything to do with the Packers is infallible, and the best at their job/position, and any questioning of anything means you're disloyal. They're the southern rightwingers of the sports world. Or the Apple iDrones of the sports world, if you'd prefer.

Alex Wrote - Today @ 01:33:38 PM
I would argue that going to the Pro Bowl is an utterly meaningless popularity contest, not just semi.


It's pretty close to it. They need to do away with fan voting. At any rate I was mearley pointing out that PackOne dismissed the probowl as irrelevant, then used the 6 other Pro Bowl elected players as an example of how the jets are a better team, which is somewhat inconsistent. It's not TOTALLY inconsistent, since you could argue that certain players are elected based off of popularity while others are elected based on their merits, but it's hard to separate the two, because sometimes its a whole team popularity contest, which I bet the Jets qualify for with their huge market.

If only the fans voted the NFC would be almost completely Redskins.

Besides, Favre almost certainly was having a Pro Bowl season before these last few games, which likely took place after most of the people got their votes in.

Edit: I mean, think of it this way: Who's Brett's competition in the AFC? You could make a case for Cassell, who's putting up decent numbers, but it's hard to give big props to a QB in a situation where the team did so well last year, he's the only key difference, and now they're struggling a bit. You could make a case for Pennington, but really only because he's thrown so few picks, and turned a crappy team around.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
12/19/2008 @ 02:29:29 PM
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Alex Wrote - Today @ 01:31:51 PM
Because Nutcan is all about fair and balanced coverage: 12. Minnesota Vikings You might remember that I made Tarvaris Jackson's replica jersey my 48th-worst NFL gift last week. When he threw for four touchdowns against the Cards on Sunday, I braced myself for a slew of "Ha ha you suck, Tarvaris rules!" e-mails from the Minnesota area. Nope. I didn't get a single one. Now what does THAT tell you? I'd say more but I'm so excited to wager against Jackson in the playoffs that I can barely hold a thought in my head. I hope the Vikings are laying points in the first round. I hope to see my bookie and shake his hand. I hope the Pacific is as blue as it is in my dreams. I hope. (My favorite headline of the week: "JACKSON? FREROTTE? THE INTRIGUE BUILDS." Um … it does? Should I move to the edge of my seat just so I don't feel left out? I've watched "Scooby Doo" episodes with my daughter that had more building intrigue than Jackson versus Frerotte. I'm not kidding. You should have seen the twist in the Abominable Snowman episode we just watched. Turned out it was Mr. Hanrahan all along. Who saw that coming?)


I didn't really laugh out loud, but close!
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
12/19/2008 @ 05:49:02 PM
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I didn't mean to implicate you of wrong doing, I was just trying to segue into that little gem.

I would've voted for Rivers and Pennington before Favre. Or at least Rivers for sure, I've always thought Pennington was overrated.

I'm not pissed because they've lost a number of close games, which is partly luck and probably balancing out for last year, and for the most part Rodgers has played fine in those games. It's been the defense and conservative play calling that I blame more (and yes if Favre was there they might not be so conservative, but ultimately it's still the coaches responsibility to realize that they're being too conservative and I can still blame them for not figuring it out without having to blame Rodgers (or blame the lack of Favre) for causing them to not figure it out). Also, don't overlook the fact that the Brewers run into October this year probably lessened the need for a good year by the Packers. Plus, it's hard to complain too much when a division rival is 0-14.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - So's your face
12/19/2008 @ 05:57:24 PM
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Alex Wrote - Today @ 05:49:02 PM
Also, don't overlook the fact that the Brewers run into October this year probably lessened the need for a good year by the Packers.


I hope you're just speaking for yourself, because the Brewers getting into the playoffs did nothing for me.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
12/19/2008 @ 07:31:31 PM
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Haven't we had the discussion before about whether the Brewers are "bigger" than the Packers amongst the majority of Wisconsin based fans? If not, I say from a numbers perspective more people care more about the Brewers than the Packers. Obviously I would never imply that every single fan feels that way, and I would imagine that being a Twins/Packers fan who lives with a Vikings fan, 2008 hasn't been great. And when Favre throws a game ending interception in Week 17 to lose the game and the playoff spot it's going to be worse.
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - 1528 Posts
12/19/2008 @ 08:23:10 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:18:22 AM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 09:44:33 AM
Sarah Wrote - 12/16/2008 @ 05:35:01 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d80d60467&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true Favre's going (well he probably won't literally go) but a certain GB QB isn't going. I rest my case. emoticon
Resting your case in a popularity contest. Okay. Greg Jennings got hosed if anyone. Too bad Aaron leads Favre in every category but two: interceptions and wins. But, I'm sure the six other Jets Pro Bowlers didn't help that at all.
You either get to argue going to the Pro Bowl is a semi-meaningless popularity contest, or that it's a good indicator of other talent on the team. Rodgers had virtually the same team around him Favre had around him last year, which is a much better "well, if they had the same team around them..." comparison than what you seem to be doing by implying the Jets are a superior team. Now, I'm not saying Sarah has a valid point either. Brett Favre isn't superior to Rodgers because Brett made the probowl and Rodgers didn't. Brett Favre is superior because he's better. Comparing QB stats isn't comparing apples to apples. In fact QB's tend to put up their best numbers in losing efforts, which is the one category Rodgers is definitely running away with.


Last year's team isn't even close to the same as this years.

My Rodgers comment isn't really Pro Bowl related at all. It's a direct response to a deep hidden and inferred agenda by the tax lady. The key statement of this agenda (cough *unrealistic celebitry athlete crush* cough) is that the Packers losing Favre cost them the season and Favre single-handedly turned the Jets around. Thus, the need to mention the six others guys on that same Jets team.

Regardless of it being a popularity contest, no one can argue that most recipients have to be considered at least above average. Having seven pro-bowlers does not a single-handed effort show.

Are you saying all guys with great stats most likely played on losing teams? Just curious.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - I hate our freedoms
12/20/2008 @ 12:51:40 AM
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Well, there's probably a loose positive correlation between Qb numbers and the teams win/loss, but it's hardly the exceptions to find a QB with ho-hum numbers "managing" his team to wins or a guy with sky high numbers who's team is struggling.

I'm also not sure how "hidden" Sarah's agenda is, but unless your case is "the Packers got lucky last year" "losing" Favre cost them the season.

Look at it this way: (Though I did hint at the association earlier.) Matt Cassell is having a good year by basically any measurable. There's nothing really objective you can point to and say "ah ha! that's why the team is doing worse than they should be" or "That right there is why he's not as good as Brady." It's just a missed throw here, a sack there that make all the difference in the end. Cassell has done an admirable job. However, you'd be crazy not to think the team would be better off with Brady at the helm. They were awesome one year, they switched QB's, had no other major changes, and they're a slightly above average team the next. I really don't see how this is different.

You really have to be high or Ted Thompson to STILL think Rodgers was the better choice for this season, it's just that simple. Hell, Ted Thompson might even be regretting the move.

As for the other issue, did Brett, in turn, single-handedly turn the Jets around? I guess that depends on how you look at it. Any discussion would have to be in the context of "no QB anywhere is doing it alone." The Jets are 19th and 20th in yards and points per game defensively, which is slightly worse than they finished last season. Favre is playing with the same receivers the Jets always had. The two added offensive linemen could have a pretty big impact on a quarterbacks play. So no, Brett isn't the only difference in the turn-around, but it would be fair to in anyway imply he was handed the keys to a Lamborghini either and is completely incidental to their recovery.

Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 05:49:02 PM
Plus, it's hard to complain too much when a division rival is 0-14.


You consider Detroit a "rival"? I feel terrible for the Lions and their fans.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
12/21/2008 @ 03:10:46 PM
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Big games from Rivers, Pennington, and Cassel today. Let's see if Favre can keep up.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
12/21/2008 @ 03:12:43 PM
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So far so good. (Love the shovel passes!)
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/22/2008 @ 09:25:58 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - 12/19/2008 @ 11:18:22 AM
Comparing QB stats isn't comparing apples to apples. In fact QB's tend to put up their best numbers in losing efforts, which is the one category Rodgers is definitely running away with.


To be fair though, this is usually the case because losing teams are always losing, so they always have to pass the ball to catch up. The Packers were winning most of their games until the last 3 minutes. So that is not really the case with Rodgers necessarily.
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12/22/2008 @ 09:31:26 AM
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Sarah Wrote - Yesterday @ 03:12:43 PM
So far so good. (Love the shovel passes!)


Those were passes?
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
12/23/2008 @ 06:09:12 PM
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http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-4-611/Season-on-the-line--Favre-or-Pennington-.html?lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1
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