Baseball Hall of Fame 2018 Edition

12/31/2017 3:53 am
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It's time for my Fifteenth annual "If I had a Hall of Fame Vote" post.

My previous ballots:
2004 - 2005 - 2006 - 2007 - 2008 - 2009 - 2010 - 2011 - 2012 - 2013 - 2014 - 2015 - 2016 - 2017

A few reminders:
1. Voters can vote for up to ten players.
2. I'm a "Big Hall" guy so I voted for ten.
3. I reserve the right not to have reasonable explanations for any or all of my selections.
4. To be inducted, players need to be named on 75% of the ballots cast.
5. The real results will be announced on January 24th.

Eligible Players:

Holdovers from last year - Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Vladimir Guerrero, Trevor Hoffman, Jeff Kent, Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff, Mike Mussina, Manny Ramirez, Curt Schilling, Gary Sheffield, Sammy Sosa, Billy Wagner, Larry Walker

First-timers - Chris Carpenter, Johnny Damon, Livan Hernandez, Orlando Hudson, Aubrey Huff, Jason Isringhausen, Andruw Jones, Chipper Jones, Carlos Lee, Brad Lidge, Hideki Matsui, Kevin Millwood, Jamie Moyer, Scott Rolen, Johan Santana, Jim Thome, Omar Vizquel, Kerry Wood, Carlos Zambrano

Go to Baseball Reference for player stats.


My Ballot:

Barry Bonds - Eligible since 2013; 6th time on my ballot ('13-'18)
Roger Clemens - Eligible since 2013; 6th time on my ballot ('13-'18)
Vladimir Guerrero - Eligible since 2017; 2nd time on my ballot ('17,'18)
Chipper Jones - Eligible since 2018; 1st time on my ballot ('18)
Edgar Martinez - Eligible since 2010; 8th time on my ballot ('10-'13,'15-'18)
Mike Mussina - Eligible since 2014; 3rd time on my ballot ('16-'18)
Johan Santana - Eligible since 2018; 1st time on my ballot ('18)
Curt Schilling - Eligible since 2013; 4th time on my ballot ('13,'16-'18)
Jim Thome - Eligible since 2018; 1st time on my ballot ('18)
Larry Walker - Eligible since 2011; 3rd time on my ballot ('12,'17,'18)


Dropped from last year's ballot:
Jeff Bagwell ('11-'17) (elected)
Tim Raines ('08-'17) (elected)
Ivan Rodriguez ('17) (elected)

Added this year:
Chipper Jones (first-time eligible)
Johan Santana (first-time eligible)
Jim Thome (first-time eligible)

Eligible, and voted for in the past, but not this year:
Fred McGriff ('10-'12)
matt.jpgMatt - 3259 Posts
12/31/2017 @ 04:08:33 AM
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In my personal record book, the 2005 AL Cy Young Award was won by Johan Santana, not Bartolo Colon. This gives Santana 3 straight Cy Young Awards and confirms his Hall of Fame worthiness as a Koufax-like peak candidate.
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12/31/2017 @ 04:13:55 AM
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It's worth noting that Jack Morris and Alan Trammell were already elected for enshrinement in 2018 by the Modern Baseball Era Committee of the Hall of Fame.
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12/31/2017 @ 05:08:49 AM
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1) As with the past few years, I believe there are more than 10 eligible players who are worthy of the Hall of Fame. The fact that the Hall of Fame hasn't increased, or better yet, eliminated the limit on votes per ballot is stupid. If there were no limit, I would have also voted for: Andruw Jones, Jeff Kent, Fred McGriff, Manny Ramirez, Scott Rolen, Gary Sheffield, and Sammy Sosa.

2) Still not sure what to do about closers. As long as we're letting them in, it feels like Trevor Hoffman should be a yes, but there is really not a lot of difference between him and Billy Wagner, yet Wagner feels like a no.

3) Notable names eligible next year include: Mariano Rivera, Roy Halladay, Todd Helton, Andy Pettitte, Roy Oswalt, Lance Berkman, and Miguel Tejada
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3616 Posts
01/02/2018 @ 09:39:54 PM
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Matt Wrote - 12/31/2017 @ 04:08:33 AM
In my personal record book, the 2005 AL Cy Young Award was won by Johan Santana, not Bartolo Colon. This gives Santana 3 straight Cy Young Awards and confirms his Hall of Fame worthiness as a Koufax-like peak candidate.


https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2005.shtml#all_AL_CYA_voting

emoticon Oh, he got a few more wins on a team that won 12 more games despite having the same or worse numbers in pretty much every other category.
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3616 Posts
01/02/2018 @ 09:41:46 PM
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Top ten:
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Mussina
Larry Walker
Curt Schilling
Chipper Jones (new)
Andrew Jones (new)
Jim Thome (new)
Scott Rolen (new)
Edgar Martinez

Dropped from last year - elected:
Jeff Bagwell
Tim Raines

Dropped from last year – 10 vote limit:
Vladimir Guerrero
Manny Ramirez

Dropped from last year – year limit:

Additional votes:
Vladimir Guerrero
Manny Ramirez
Johan Santana (new)
Sammy Sosa
Jeff Kent
Gary Sheffield

Fixed by committee:
Alan Trammell

My perpetual VC ballot (since 2000):
Kevin Brown
Bret Saberhagen
Luis Tiant
Kenny Lofton
Lou Whitaker
Dave Stieb
Kevin Appier
David Cone
Keith Hernandez
Chuck Finley
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Edmonds
Mark McGwire
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3616 Posts
01/02/2018 @ 09:50:02 PM
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Matt Wrote - 12/31/2017 @ 05:08:49 AM
2) Still not sure what to do about closers. As long as we're letting them in, it feels like Trevor Hoffman should be a yes, but there is really not a lot of difference between him and Billy Wagner, yet Wagner feels like a no.


For me, Rivera is the bar for modern closers. And he had twice the career WAR of Hoffman and Wagner and 50% more peak WAR and just generally more fame (pretty sure way more postseason too) so it's a no for other two.
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newalex.jpgAlex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated
01/02/2018 @ 10:01:00 PM
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Speaking of not worthy, are we going to bring up Vizquel? He has 44 votes out of 159 known ballots. http://www.bbhoftracker.com/

I guess I do have him just a hair below McGriff, who is my last man out, but I don't see how anyone can vote for him over the 16 additional better options, unless their definition of PED suspect is "anyone who could actually hit".
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01/03/2018 @ 11:59:40 AM
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Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 09:39:54 PM
Matt Wrote - 12/31/2017 @ 04:08:33 AM
In my personal record book, the 2005 AL Cy Young Award was won by Johan Santana, not Bartolo Colon. This gives Santana 3 straight Cy Young Awards and confirms his Hall of Fame worthiness as a Koufax-like peak candidate.


https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2005.shtml#all_AL_CYA_voting

emoticon Oh, he got a few more wins on a team that won 12 more games despite having the same or worse numbers in pretty much every other category.



That's crazy. Was it obvious at the time what a sham that was?
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8857 Posts
01/03/2018 @ 12:02:53 PM
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Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 09:50:02 PM
Matt Wrote - 12/31/2017 @ 05:08:49 AM
2) Still not sure what to do about closers. As long as we're letting them in, it feels like Trevor Hoffman should be a yes, but there is really not a lot of difference between him and Billy Wagner, yet Wagner feels like a no.


For me, Rivera is the bar for modern closers. And he had twice the career WAR of Hoffman and Wagner and 50% more peak WAR and just generally more fame (pretty sure way more postseason too) so it's a no for other two.


If that's the bar then there will basically be 1 closer in it forever. Things like this would be a lot easier if there weren't limits. Just put in everyone who is worthy based on how dominant they were at the position they were asked to play. We shouldn't have to answer if a center fielder is more important than a closer, if both guys were heads and tails over their peers.
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01/03/2018 @ 01:16:59 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:59:40 AM
Alex Wrote - 01/02/2018 @ 09:39:54 PM
Matt Wrote - 12/31/2017 @ 04:08:33 AM
In my personal record book, the 2005 AL Cy Young Award was won by Johan Santana, not Bartolo Colon. This gives Santana 3 straight Cy Young Awards and confirms his Hall of Fame worthiness as a Koufax-like peak candidate.


https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2005.shtml#all_AL_CYA_voting

emoticon Oh, he got a few more wins on a team that won 12 more games despite having the same or worse numbers in pretty much every other category.

That's crazy. Was it obvious at the time what a sham that was?


WTH? Do voters not even look at the numbers?


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01/04/2018 @ 09:12:19 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:59:40 AM
Alex Wrote - 01/02/2018 @ 09:39:54 PM
Matt Wrote - 12/31/2017 @ 04:08:33 AM
In my personal record book, the 2005 AL Cy Young Award was won by Johan Santana, not Bartolo Colon. This gives Santana 3 straight Cy Young Awards and confirms his Hall of Fame worthiness as a Koufax-like peak candidate.


https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2005.shtml#all_AL_CYA_voting

emoticon Oh, he got a few more wins on a team that won 12 more games despite having the same or worse numbers in pretty much every other category.



That's crazy. Was it obvious at the time what a sham that was?


Go look at the stats for the NL cy young voting for 2004 and explain to me how Ben Sheets ended up with the 9th most first place votes. And then answer how Roger Clemens ended up beating out anyone on that list, let alone everyone. Sheets was better in literally every category than Clemens. Does the voting every really make sense? Players on the better teams are almost always given deference in the end of season awards. The Brewers and Twins were well out of playoff contention in both of the seasons where their player looked to be snubbed from the end of season awards.
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01/04/2018 @ 02:57:10 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:12:19 AM
Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:59:40 AM
Alex Wrote - 01/02/2018 @ 09:39:54 PM
Matt Wrote - 12/31/2017 @ 04:08:33 AM
In my personal record book, the 2005 AL Cy Young Award was won by Johan Santana, not Bartolo Colon. This gives Santana 3 straight Cy Young Awards and confirms his Hall of Fame worthiness as a Koufax-like peak candidate.


https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2005.shtml#all_AL_CYA_voting

emoticon Oh, he got a few more wins on a team that won 12 more games despite having the same or worse numbers in pretty much every other category.



That's crazy. Was it obvious at the time what a sham that was?


Go look at the stats for the NL cy young voting for 2004 and explain to me how Ben Sheets ended up with the 9th most first place votes. And then answer how Roger Clemens ended up beating out anyone on that list, let alone everyone. Sheets was better in literally every category than Clemens. Does the voting every really make sense? Players on the better teams are almost always given deference in the end of season awards. The Brewers and Twins were well out of playoff contention in both of the seasons where their player looked to be snubbed from the end of season awards.


Ha, I needed that. If anything, I'd say Randy Johnson got hosed.
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Sarah perfected this at 01/04/2018 2:57:39 pm
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01/04/2018 @ 03:14:22 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:12:19 AM
Sheets was better in literally every category than Clemens.


Except wins, losses, hits, runs, homeruns, balks, and wild pitches. emoticon
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01/04/2018 @ 09:48:31 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:59:40 AM
Alex Wrote - 01/02/2018 @ 09:39:54 PM
Matt Wrote - 12/31/2017 @ 04:08:33 AM
In my personal record book, the 2005 AL Cy Young Award was won by Johan Santana, not Bartolo Colon. This gives Santana 3 straight Cy Young Awards and confirms his Hall of Fame worthiness as a Koufax-like peak candidate.


https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2005.shtml#all_AL_CYA_voting

emoticon Oh, he got a few more wins on a team that won 12 more games despite having the same or worse numbers in pretty much every other category.



That's crazy. Was it obvious at the time what a sham that was?


Could go back and check the nutcan reaction at the time, if the search worked emoticon
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01/04/2018 @ 09:52:28 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 12:02:53 PM
Alex Wrote - 01/02/2018 @ 09:50:02 PM
Matt Wrote - 12/31/2017 @ 05:08:49 AM
2) Still not sure what to do about closers. As long as we're letting them in, it feels like Trevor Hoffman should be a yes, but there is really not a lot of difference between him and Billy Wagner, yet Wagner feels like a no.


For me, Rivera is the bar for modern closers. And he had twice the career WAR of Hoffman and Wagner and 50% more peak WAR and just generally more fame (pretty sure way more postseason too) so it's a no for other two.


If that's the bar then there will basically be 1 closer in it forever. Things like this would be a lot easier if there weren't limits. Just put in everyone who is worthy based on how dominant they were at the position they were asked to play. We shouldn't have to answer if a center fielder is more important than a closer, if both guys were heads and tails over their peers.


Maybe he would be the only one. For voters who look at advanced stats though, teams that use their best reliever in the highest leverage scenario instead of only save situations might make it more likely for someone else to join him. I guess I'm not saying someone would have to be equal or better to Riveria, but at least closish.
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avatar2345.jpgPackOne - 1523 Posts
01/11/2018 @ 06:02:09 AM
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I hope Curt Schilling never gets in.
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