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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/11/2013 @ 08:57:21 AM
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Leading off, is 20 years the new life span of MLB stadiums these days? The Braves are getting a new stadium after just 20 years in the existing stadium.
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11/11/2013 @ 12:29:09 PM
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I'm conflicted about Joe moving to first base permenantly. That pretty much puts the kabosh on Morneau coming back. Plus mauer was so special because he was awesome and a catcher. Sigh. In other news, Jason Bartlett!
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/11/2013 @ 12:57:29 PM
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I don't know the specifics of Turner Field but...maybe.

There was a change in stadium approach around that time that makes modern stadiums very different. At some point the prerogative changed from "how can we fit as many seats as possible in here and build the cheapest building possible" to about the fan experience. The fan experience subsequently became even more important with the introduction of HDTV, big screen tv's costing a nickel, fantasy sports, and so on, because now you're also competing with a really good home experience.

So, I guess it would depend on what side of that line Turner Field fell onto.
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scott.jpgScott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on?
11/11/2013 @ 01:38:18 PM
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It also wasn't built as a baseball stadium, which probably accelerated the "this doesn't work for baseball anymore" thing. I also saw a population map that shows that the Atlanta area has changed a ton in the last 20 years, with the outer suburbs growing at an alarming rate, making it an attractive move for anyone willing to help foot the bill.
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11/11/2013 @ 03:34:09 PM
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I don't see the Twins/Vikings asking for new stadiums in 20 years, barring some kind of unforeseen revolution in what stadiums are. For the most part stadiums are built "right" in the first place these days. They're no longer utilitarian, pack-em-in, the-game-is-all-we-need venues, some are almost sports theme parks at this point.

I'm sure Target Field still pulls people who are there only because they've never been there, but for the most part that is over. They still drew the 4th largest attendance in their history with a bad team because the stadium is just that much better to see a game at. It doesn't take 3 innings to get a hot dog or go to the bathroom. The seats face home plate. It's pretty.

It's especially important in football, because you're asking NFL fans to trade essentially an entire NFL Sunday, in the redzone/fantasy/HDTV/challenge era, for going to that one game. A lot of money has been invested in making the home experience almost too good to pass up.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/11/2013 @ 07:42:01 PM
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To put it in perspective time-wise, it would be like the Brewers getting a new stadium in 8 years. It doesn't seem like Miller Park has been around that long, but it's already been 13 years. Start getting your design drawings in people. Ground breaking is only about 4 years away!
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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
11/13/2013 @ 01:51:01 AM
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Scott Wrote - 11/11/2013 @ 07:42:01 PM
To put it in perspective time-wise, it would be like the Brewers getting a new stadium in 8 years. It doesn't seem like Miller Park has been around that long, but it's already been 13 years. Start getting your design drawings in people. Ground breaking is only about 4 years away!


No way they'd replace the #1 stadium in baseball that quickly!

Oh, I kid. Seriously though, a lot can change in 8 years. Who knows, by then they might even be selling edible hot dogs! Am I right!?
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scott.jpgScott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue.
11/13/2013 @ 08:57:53 AM
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Jon Wrote - Today @ 01:51:01 AM
Scott Wrote - 11/11/2013 @ 07:42:01 PM
To put it in perspective time-wise, it would be like the Brewers getting a new stadium in 8 years. It doesn't seem like Miller Park has been around that long, but it's already been 13 years. Start getting your design drawings in people. Ground breaking is only about 4 years away!


No way they'd replace the #1 stadium in baseball that quickly!

Oh, I kid. Seriously though, a lot can change in 8 years. Who knows, by then they might even be selling edible hot dogs! Am I right!?


It was voted that way by the baseball fans of America. My point is that 20 years isn't that long. It would be hard to imagine a stadium like Miller Park becoming functionally obselete only 8 years from now (or is it 7, I never was great at math).
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Super Chocolate Bear
11/13/2013 @ 01:16:41 PM
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It was voted that way by a group of fans representing a certain area that repeatedly demonstrate they can take almost any trivial slight as a personal attack. (See: Favre to Vikings, Greg Jennings "fallout", the ZOMG someone thinks Miller Park isn't the greatest incident, going scorched earth on Mike Florio after he commented on Aaron Rodgers ignoring a cancer patient, this nonsense with Troy Aikman and Joe Buck, and so on and so forth. )
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/13/2013 @ 01:20:54 PM
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It's really just one of those things where if you can make more money you can make more money. Maybe in reality there's not much wrong with Turner Field, but if someone is going to build you a new stadium, you may as well take it.

So even if Miller Park isn't obsolete in 8 years, if some nearby county offers to build them a new one, they might take them up on it. That's kind of the weird thing about stadiums. The only places that don't want to build new ones are the places that have the current one. (Which makes some sense, I'm just saying.)
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
11/13/2013 @ 01:49:06 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 01:16:41 PM
It was voted that way by a group of fans representing a certain area that repeatedly demonstrate they can take almost any trivial slight as a personal attack. (See: Favre to Vikings, Greg Jennings "fallout", the ZOMG someone thinks Miller Park isn't the greatest incident, going scorched earth on Mike Florio after he commented on Aaron Rodgers ignoring a cancer patient, this nonsense with Troy Aikman and Joe Buck, and so on and so forth. )




While this is the first time I've heard of this, you know who else went scorched earth on Mike Florio for going after Rodgers for ignoring a cancer patient? The cancer patient Rodgers supposedly ignored. What ever got her in such a sour mood, right?

and Troy Aikman has yet to get the name correct of the Packers player who wears #18. His name is RANDALL! There's no Reggie! Personally I don't mind Joe Buck, other than he is probably the most boring announcer on TV. (monotone much?) Besides, is a fanbase disqualified from voicing their opinion. Packer fans don't like Joe and Troy. So what?

Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 01:16:41 PM
can take almost any trivial slight as a personal attack


I'm sure you'll find some reason why this is more than just "it's so annoying", or "it probably has a lot to do with being a rival fan living in enemy territory", but so? (commence the mass-character assassination)

Note: and for the record, my comment about being voted on by the American fans was supposed to be somewhat tongue in cheek. And you accuse Wisconsin fans of "taking almost any trivial slight as a personal attack"? I say one thing about something stupid and a whole novel's worth of "you guys are all stupid" supposed "incidents" are thrown around.
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scott.jpgScott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on?
11/13/2013 @ 03:31:29 PM
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Re: Favre to the Vikings. While I didn't count myself among those you are referring to, do you think there is a fanbase in the entire country that wouldn't have reacted in a similar fashion if the most beloved player of one team signs with that team's most heated (or hated) rival. (David Ortiz to the Yankees?) And consider the fact that there aren't too many players in all of sports period that had the type of passionate "you could run for governor and we'd elect you for life" following as Packer fans had for Favre. So it's sort of hard to really judge that event rationally.

and just to round it out; Re: Jennings. Repeatedly, and in some cases unprovokedly, taking potshots at your former team is the recipe everyone would use to try to remain on good terms with said team, right? When the godfather of your children calls you out for it publically, that's a good sign that it was more than a "trivial slight". (along with James Jones, add Charles Woodson among those people who apparently are lumped into this category)
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11/13/2013 @ 03:47:30 PM
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Ex Twins/Vikings almost always get a warm welcome when they return. (Chuck Knoblauch comes to mind as an exception.) Torii Hunter still ranks among many as their favorite players, even as a member of the Tigers.

Edit: Oh, I guess AJ Pierzynski gets booed pretty hardcore these days, but he's a professional asshole who plays catcher on the side, so that was bound to eventually go sour once he's no longer your asshole.

Randy Moss almost wound up a Packer at one point, and although that would have been like sticking needles into my eyes and then heating them to 1000 degrees, the concept of booing Randy because he signed for a team that wanted him after we didn't seems bizarre to me.
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11/13/2013 @ 04:06:12 PM
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Bronson Arroyo In Talks With Twins

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/bronson-arroyo-in-talks-with-twins.html

It would be impossible for me to know less about if that's good or bad, other than I guess it's a good sign they aren't convincing themselves they just need to "give the youngsters one more year" and do nothing.
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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
11/13/2013 @ 10:18:13 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 03:47:30 PM
Ex Twins/Vikings almost always get a warm welcome when they return. (Chuck Knoblauch comes to mind as an exception.) Torii Hunter still ranks among many as their favorite players, even as a member of the Tigers.

Edit: Oh, I guess AJ Pierzynski gets booed pretty hardcore these days, but he's a professional asshole who plays catcher on the side, so that was bound to eventually go sour once he's no longer your asshole.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/14/2013 @ 08:01:47 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 03:47:30 PM
Ex Twins/Vikings almost always get a warm welcome when they return. (Chuck Knoblauch comes to mind as an exception.) Torii Hunter still ranks among many as their favorite players, even as a member of the Tigers.

Edit: Oh, I guess AJ Pierzynski gets booed pretty hardcore these days, but he's a professional asshole who plays catcher on the side, so that was bound to eventually go sour once he's no longer your asshole.

Randy Moss almost wound up a Packer at one point, and although that would have been like sticking needles into my eyes and then heating them to 1000 degrees, the concept of booing Randy because he signed for a team that wanted him after we didn't seems bizarre to me.


Did Torii Hunter ever call Joe Mauer a media hog? Or say that the Twins brainwash their players by telling them that they are the best? Ryan Longwell came back and signed with the Packers to retire a packer. Paul Molitor is still a local legend, and got one of the biggest standing ovations in Wisconsin sports history when he came back for the first time after leaving the Brewers. Wisconsin fans love their own, and if you've played for a Wisconsin team, you generally will be received warmly when you leave, where ever it is you end up going. Geoff Jenkins is another player that comes to mind (although he didn't play for a rival); he got a pretty big ovation (and a video highlight show) when he returned to Miller Park for the first time. But let's not pretend that the Brett Favre case is typical, that the Packers-Vikings rivalry is typical across all sports rivalries, or that calling out your former team while you're still practically in their parking lot doesn't warrant a little bit of animosity, whatever the reasons were for leaving in the first place.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/14/2013 @ 09:04:33 AM
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Torii once tried to punch Justin Morneau, missed, and hit Punto.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
11/14/2013 @ 07:58:13 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 09:04:33 AM
Torii once tried to punch Justin Morneau, missed, and hit Punto.

Punto signed a 1 year $3,000,000 deal with the A's. Remember when we could've had him for like $400,000 but that was too ridiculous a price to pay?
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jon.jpgJon - 1 bajillion posts
11/14/2013 @ 10:05:22 PM
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Sarah Wrote - Today @ 07:58:13 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 09:04:33 AM
Torii once tried to punch Justin Morneau, missed, and hit Punto.

Punto signed a 1 year $3,000,000 deal with the A's. Remember when we could've had him for like $400,000 but that was too ridiculous a price to pay?


Still is.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4091 Posts
11/15/2013 @ 11:14:48 AM
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Jon Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:05:22 PM
Sarah Wrote - Yesterday @ 07:58:13 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 09:04:33 AM
Torii once tried to punch Justin Morneau, missed, and hit Punto.

Punto signed a 1 year $3,000,000 deal with the A's. Remember when we could've had him for like $400,000 but that was too ridiculous a price to pay?


Still is.

Blasphemy. Matt Tolbert was not worth more at whatever price he was that following year.
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
11/20/2013 @ 12:34:45 PM
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Braun trade rumors? No comment.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
11/20/2013 @ 01:52:14 PM
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http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=1

Brewers and Twins headed for the same WAR
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - As Seen On The Internet
11/20/2013 @ 11:12:51 PM
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Rangers Acquire Prince Fielder For Ian Kinsler

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/tigers-to-acquire-prince-fielder-for-ian-kinsler.html
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
11/21/2013 @ 12:11:42 PM
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PED use aside, 3 years in a row now the guy hitting in front of Prince Fielder has won the league MVP award. Doesn't that sort of make Fielder the most valuable player the last 3 years?
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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
11/21/2013 @ 06:22:30 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 12:11:42 PM


PED use aside, 3 years in a row now the guy hitting in front of Prince Fielder has won the league MVP award. Doesn't that sort of make Fielder the most valuable player the last 3 years?


no.
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2887.gifAlex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel
12/04/2013 @ 07:03:57 PM
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http://www.fangraphs.com/not/hot-stove-rumors-trojans-greeks-in-talks-about-hector-achilles-megatrade/

hehehe
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/05/2013 @ 10:37:42 AM
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Brewers trade Aoki, Doug Melvin confirms Braun officially a right fielder.
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matt.jpgMatt - Ombudsman
12/05/2013 @ 12:54:25 PM
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What if his non-steroided arm can't make the throws from RF? emoticon
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/05/2013 @ 02:04:13 PM
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Matt Wrote - Today @ 12:54:25 PM
What if his non-steroided arm can't make the throws from RF? emoticon

Then let's hope he finds a better masking agent?
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newalex.jpgAlex - 3618 Posts
12/19/2013 @ 10:33:16 AM
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/gaining-a-star-level-player/

So in the last 25 years neither the Brewers nor the Twins have signed a free agent coming off a season with 6+ WAR.

By my calculations the top numbers for the Brewers were Aramis Ramirez at 3.3, Randy Wolf 2.9, and Mike Cameron 1.8.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
01/30/2014 @ 12:29:43 PM
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Noooooo!
http://disciplesofuecker.com/uecker-announcing-schedule/16374

Still can't really make up my mind on the Garza signing. I was mentally prepared for a couple of their younger pitchers to get a bunch of starts, and that at least potentially could have turned out well. But signing Garza increases their probably small playoff chances for 2014.
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