Coke vs Pepsi - I want to be asked

12/10/2008 5:33 pm
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I was recently reading a thread on Something Awful about how much customers suck. One person regaled the internet with his tale of how once a person asked for a paper bag and the cashier put it in a plastic bag, since it was all he had, and because 90% of the time the "bag" is the important part and not the "paper." The guy screamed at him for not listening, wouldn't take "We don't have paper bags" as a response, all hell broke loose, and he only left after the manager offered him a trash bag instead.

This story was the precursor to any number of waitresses/bartenders talking about how annoying it is when people make a stink over Coke vs Pepsi. (Though I don't think it's an apt corollary.) Turns out most waitresses don't feel the need to even mention they intend on bringing you the alternate cola, and they CERTAINLY don't understand those picky souls who "demand" a different drink when the alternate shows up on their table. Bartenders virtually never bring it up.

Well, file me under "picky" then, because if I order a Coke I want a Coke, not a Pepsi. When I order a Mountain Dew I want a Mountain Dew, not Mellow Yellow. I really don't see how you could debate the other side of this.

I'm sick and tired of the "they taste the same" argument, because they don't. They aren't even close, and it isn't just us "picky" people that have the superhuman taste buds to tell the difference. Even if it were true that they tasted similar, do you bring everyone who orders prime rib a sirloin because they "pretty much taste the same?" If you didn't serve a prime rib at all would you not say anything to the contrary, then bring the customer any piece of beef you saw as "close enough?" I really don't see how that is much different.

I'm anything but a picky customer, however this is just one of those things that bug me. I'm a little perturbed this makes me a "problem customer." I won't demand a new drink, or make a big stink about it. In the few instances I don't ask Coke or Pepsi before ordering, usually I'll just ask if I can switch when it comes time for a refill. Though, maybe that's part of the problem. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

I didn't order a Pepsi, or a Jack and Pepsi, I wanted a Coke. All you have to say is "Is Pepsi ok?" so I can change my mind to something that doesn't contain that vile brown-tinted water.

Ok, that was all a tad tongue-in-cheek, but I'm not the only one who's bothered by this, right?

Am I just particularly screwed because Mountain Dew is my first choice, and Coke is my second, while Pepsi and Mellow Yellow rank amongst my least favorite?
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12/10/2008 @ 07:38:59 PM
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You're first problem is that Mountain Dew is nasty, although I'll give you that it is slightly less nasty than Mellow Yellow.

I'm on board with not being ok with getting served something other than what you asked for. But while I can tell the difference between Pepsi and Coke I drink both them, just depends on the day as far as which one I prefer. And my first choice would be Dr. Pepper anyway.

The best solution to this problem, and many others, is to order a bottle of beer instead.
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12/10/2008 @ 08:49:02 PM
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Coke? Pepsi? Dr. Pepper? What are you crazy? You know the markup on those drinks is 99% right? I agree with Alex order a beer, or a water, or at the very least a soda with booze in it (something in a drink you're paying for should cost something.)

Soda? What a joke. That's how they get you! :)
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12/10/2008 @ 10:12:05 PM
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I agree, they should ask. Also, Coke is better than Pepsi, and Mellow Yellow is better than Mountain Dew, but I'll drink both of the lesser options if that is what they have.

Since we're on the subject, I remember my Uncle would often be frustrated as he liked 7-Up but not Sprite. Since most places went with straight Coke or Pepsi products, finding one that served an "independent" drink like 7-Up was rare.

Actually as I look it up now on Wikipedia, starting in the 80's, Coke pretty much forced their distributors to drop 7-Up in favor of Sprite.

Alex Wrote - Today @ 07:38:59 PM
And my first choice would be Dr. Pepper anyway.


I don't drink either of them all too often, but I think I prefer Mr. Pibb (or Pibb Xtra as the kids call it these days).
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12/10/2008 @ 10:46:14 PM
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Mountain Dew beats Mellow Yellow by a mile. Coke over Pepsi but not by much. A&W wins hands down. 7-up all the way.
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12/10/2008 @ 10:51:43 PM
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I rarely drink Sprite and 7-up, especially "straight up." I think I'd have to have them side by side to tell the difference.

I used to drink Mellow Yellow all the time, then it was like a switch flipped and I couldn't stand it. I haven't had it in a long long time. Maybe I should give it another shot. Perhaps I just had a bad batch.
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12/10/2008 @ 10:58:52 PM
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PackOne Wrote - Today @ 10:46:14 PM
Mountain Dew beats Mellow Yellow by a mile.

Seriously, that 'yellow flavored soda' stuff is nasty. What is that stuff even supposed to be? Is it some sort of sugar infused vomit flavor? I assume a citrus-like substance or flavor is involved somehow? I don't get that stuff at all. Yes I've tried it. Yes I didn't like it.
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newalex.jpgAlex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated
12/10/2008 @ 11:03:06 PM
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Sprite and 7-up are way different. I like to mix fruit juice and Sprite. It becomes soda that has some nutritional value.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/11/2008 @ 08:42:49 AM
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Mountain Dew is much better than Mellow Yellow. It's not even debateable.

I too would be a little upset if I asked for Coke and wasn't at least asked if Pepsi was ok. I like both, so it's not a big deal, but I can easily tell the difference between the two and I would be curious what else they might be trying to get past me.

Bars can get in major trouble if they did this with beer. If you ask for Miller and they serve you budweiser, they can get fined pretty heavily. I don't see why things would or should be different with soda.
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12/11/2008 @ 10:02:02 AM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 08:42:49 AM

Bars can get in major trouble if they did this with beer. If you ask for Miller and they serve you budweiser, they can get fined pretty heavily. I don't see why things would or should be different with soda.


I'm no lawyer, but under what law would they be fined for serving you a Budweiser instead of a "Miller" (which is pretty vague to begin with)? And fined heavily no less. This being Wisconsin I wouldn't be be completely shocked if there are laws about this, but I've never heard of such a thing before.
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12/11/2008 @ 10:05:53 AM
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http://www.wkrg.com/local/article/man_stabs_friend_for_buying_wrong_beer/16478/
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12/11/2008 @ 10:08:30 AM
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I'd guess to a majority of the population the Coke vs. Pepsi "issue" isn't much of an issue. Which is, no doubt, why they substitute them without asking.

If it's important to you then you should take the initiative and ask them what they actually have. Hmm... problem solved.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
12/11/2008 @ 10:40:44 AM
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Well, some settings, like a bar, aren't conducive for a discussion about their current soda distributor. You get like 2 seconds to wedge yourself against the bar and bark out something.

As I said, most of the time I do ask, I just don't like that we've reached a point where people think it's ok to interchange the two. Not only that, but we're also apparently "pains" for daring to want what we ordered.

It really just comes down to getting what you asked for when there's money involved. If I sneeze at the register and ask for a kleenex and am handed a Puffs, that's no big deal. Obviously, in that context, odds are I was just looking for anything to wipe my snot onto. Not that I would do this, but lets say, hypothetically, I forgot to get tissues and I asked the bag boy to run and get me a 3 Pack of Puffs and he came back with 3 single boxes of kleenex. That wouldn't be what I asked for.
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12/11/2008 @ 10:55:24 AM
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Alex Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM
The best solution to this problem, and many others, is to order a bottle of beer instead.


I agree, were not 14 anymore. I can't remember the last time I ordered a Coke or Pepsi in a restaurant, unless its fast food. I'll usually go with a beer or Ice Tea is always a good non-alcoholic choice.
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
12/12/2008 @ 07:21:39 AM
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craig Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:02:02 AM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 09:42:49 AM
Bars can get in major trouble if they did this with beer. If you ask for Miller and they serve you budweiser, they can get fined pretty heavily. I don't see why things would or should be different with soda.
I'm no lawyer, but under what law would they be fined for serving you a Budweiser instead of a "Miller" (which is pretty vague to begin with)? And fined heavily no less. This being Wisconsin I wouldn't be be completely shocked if there are laws about this, but I've never heard of such a thing before.


There was an article in JSOnline about a year or so ago about a bar in Milwaukee that was serving Coors light from a Miller Light tap. They got in quite a bit of trouble. When I can find the article I will post it.
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
12/12/2008 @ 07:29:37 AM
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1.) Miller tap on a Coors keg? In Wisconsin, that’s a $172 offense

Author: LAWRENCE SUSSMAN and TOM KERTSCHER Staff Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Publication: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (WI)
Publish Date: May 24, 2007
Word Count: 611
Document ID: 119575D1B850CB38


Port Washington — When officials showed up to inspect the American Legion bar here the other day, they found a half-barrel of Coors Light connected to a tapper with a Miller Lite handle. Bar owner Ray Wendt, who knew the annual inspection was coming, said he was only trying to get rid of the Coors Light that a wedding party hadn’t finished. He said he fully disclosed to his customers that they were sipping Colorado suds, not the nectar from Milwaukee’s
Click here for complete article


I can't get the entire article unless I paid for it. The article was from May of 2007. And by "fined heavily" I obviously meant only about $170, but I think that may have been for a "first offense."
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
12/12/2008 @ 07:38:12 AM
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craig Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:08:30 AM
I'd guess to a majority of the population the Coke vs. Pepsi "issue" isn't much of an issue. Which is, no doubt, why they substitute them without asking. If it's important to you then you should take the initiative and ask them what they actually have. Hmm... problem solved.


I think there are more important things to get excited about than soda/pop/sodapop.
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12/12/2008 @ 09:14:27 AM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 08:38:12 AM
craig Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:08:30 AM
I'd guess to a majority of the population the Coke vs. Pepsi "issue" isn't much of an issue. Which is, no doubt, why they substitute them without asking. If it's important to you then you should take the initiative and ask them what they actually have. Hmm... problem solved.
I think there are more important things to get excited about than soda/pop/sodapop.


This is one of the great struggles of our time.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
12/12/2008 @ 01:36:47 PM
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I don't think we quite qualify for Gen X, just maybe barely though
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12/12/2008 @ 02:39:02 PM
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Generation X 1979, 1980, or 1981 birthdays
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12/12/2008 @ 02:49:14 PM
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I'm in!
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12/12/2008 @ 02:53:50 PM
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unless it is 1979, right?
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12/12/2008 @ 03:05:22 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 03:39:02 PM
Generation X 1979, 1980, or 1981 birthdays

Scott Wrote - Today @ 03:53:50 PM
unless it is 1979, right?


What I mean was, it is not exactly clear if GenX ended in 1979, 1980, or 1981.
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - Washington Bureau Chief
12/12/2008 @ 08:06:45 PM
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Well, the start and endpoints are kind arbitrary anyway and depending on what "source" you go by there is a bit of overlap between Gen X and Gen Y. According to the Wikipedia article, the start of Generation Y is somewhere in the late 70s - early 80s. So, since I was born in 1980, I guess I could be considered either a "late" Gen X or an "early" Gen Y.

The problem with being born in this overlap period is that when most people talk of Generation X, they are usually referring to people older than me, and when they talk about Generation Y, they are usually referring to people younger than me.
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scott.jpgScott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue.
12/12/2008 @ 11:30:36 PM
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So you are saying you were born in limbo.
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12/13/2008 @ 03:25:07 AM
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Something like that.
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12/14/2008 @ 12:38:56 AM
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In the last couple weeks I was disappointed at the lack of nutcan posting.

Between this thread and the wild card issue, I have now changed my mind.
Normally, I'm all for pointless discussions that overanalyze minute points, but I think we have reached a new low.

I normally don't like playing the "this discussion is stupid" card, especially when I've contributed nothing to the site lately, but that wild card issue was the biggest waste of time this site has ever seen. Right? I mean, I can't be alone in that opinion can I? I found myself wishing waylon's classmates would show up and spout more nonsensical insults, or that someone would stumble in to defend baseball or the real wedding crashers or something. (p.s. it's not lame or pathetic to celebrate a wild card)

This thread is mostly fine, if not a little annoying. I think I'm lumping it in because of my carry over frustration from the other discussion.

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12/14/2008 @ 01:09:40 AM
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jthompto Wrote - 12/11/2008 @ 10:55:24 AM
Alex Wrote - 12/10/2008 @ 07:38:59 PM
The best solution to this problem, and many others, is to order a bottle of beer instead.
I agree, were not 14 anymore. I can't remember the last time I ordered a Coke or Pepsi in a restaurant, unless its fast food. I'll usually go with a beer or Ice Tea is always a good non-alcoholic choice.


Beer? Iced Tea? You actually still drink those?
We're not 24 anymore! How childish.

We adults drink refined beverages, usually containing ingredients like huckleberry.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
12/14/2008 @ 08:47:08 AM
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I'm trying to figure out how this subject got lumped into the Wild Card thread. What's wrong with this thread? Jeremy ordered something at a restaurant and they brought him a completely different product without telling him, and he was a little put off by that. What's wrong?
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12/14/2008 @ 12:02:26 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 08:47:08 AM
I'm trying to figure out how this subject got lumped into the Wild Card thread. What's wrong with this thread? Jeremy ordered something at a restaurant and they brought him a completely different product without telling him, and he was a little put off by that. What's wrong?


Jon Wrote - Today @ 12:38:56 AM
This thread is mostly fine, if not a little annoying. I think I'm lumping it in because of my carry over frustration from the other discussion.


Nothing's wrong with the blog itself. But I did find much of the subsequent posting sub-par.

I don't know why I feel the desire to be jerky about it, but I guess I did/do. Something just rubbed me the wrong way.

Let's break it down. The way I see this thread is in four parts.

1.Jeremy makes a life observation type blog. (I'm fine with it)
2.Multiple beer drinkers feel the need to mention that beer is better than soda (negative points awarded for overused cliche and implied superiority)
3.Various soda preferences stated. (Fine. Not riveting but fine.)
4.Carl makes a non-sequitor about Gen X. (I'm wondering if there was a mention of it that got edited out. Because I ctrl f'd all over this page trying to find a previous mention but nothing was there. I'll retract this comment if I'm wrong, but this came out of the blue, did it not? Negative points.)

So the way I read it, we're 50% at best on this. I'm just trying to raise the standards.
And trying to be a jerk I suppose.

No offense?
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
12/14/2008 @ 07:53:29 PM
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I notice the Coke vs Pespi thing today. The guy next to me at the bar (I was watching the Packer game at a bar), asked for a Coke, and the bartender asked, "Is Pepsi ok?".

On a related note, in the south, the word "coke" often refers to what the rest of us refer to as simply "soda" or "pop". So, it might be that in the South (Florida really doesn't count as the South, although there are those that proudly fly the confederate flag still), when you say "I want a coke" the server actually needs to ask you to specify which type of coke you want. Just a thought. (is this an acceptable comment on this thread, Jon?)
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12/14/2008 @ 08:23:11 PM
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What's cliche about beer? Plus, I specifically said order a bottle of beer, because then you know exactly what you are being served, as opposed to ordering a draft beer which would give the server a chance to still serve you something other than what you ordered. So there was an actual point there. And I never said beer is better than soda either. Clearly you only read what you want to and therefore can only blame yourself for the low standards.
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12/14/2008 @ 08:28:38 PM
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Alex Wrote - Today @ 09:23:11 PM
What's cliche about beer? Plus, I specifically said order a bottle of beer, because then you know exactly what you are being served, as opposed to ordering a draft beer which would give the server a chance to still serve you something other than what you ordered. So there was an actual point there. And I never said beer is better than soda either. Clearly you only read what you want to and therefore can only blame yourself for the low standards.

To be fair, you didn't explain why you should order a bottle of beer then. If you had a point other than simple ordering beer, you should have explained more, because I think you are the only person who caught that point.
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12/14/2008 @ 08:48:11 PM
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I think Jon needs to get off his high horse. I searched for an emoticon to express my feelings, but all I could find was a "beating a dead horse" emoticon. Not the same thing.
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12/14/2008 @ 08:50:29 PM
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Alex Wrote - 12/10/2008 @ 08:38:59 PM
The best solution to this problem, and many others, is to order a bottle of beer instead.

craig Wrote - 12/10/2008 @ 09:49:02 PM
I agree with Alex order a beer, or a water, or at the very least a soda with booze in it


These are really the only two references to alcohol. I think Jon is reading a bit too much into this, and with Alex's explanation to his comment, Jon's assumption (which was a very valid assumption to come to given Alex utter lack of explanation in the original comment) is ultimately off target a bit. I think Craig's comment was more about Soda being a rip-off and that paying for alcohol at least makes it worth while (I disagree, I think alcohol at restaurants is a big rip off. You get unlimited soda when you buy a soda).

The Generation X comment sorted came out of left field. It was preceded by this comment:
Scott Wrote - 12/12/2008 @ 10:14:27 AM
Carlos44ec Wrote - 12/12/2008 @ 08:38:12 AM
craig Wrote - 12/11/2008 @ 11:08:30 AM
I'd guess to a majority of the population the Coke vs. Pepsi "issue" isn't much of an issue. Which is, no doubt, why they substitute them without asking. If it's important to you then you should take the initiative and ask them what they actually have. Hmm... problem solved.
I think there are more important things to get excited about than soda/pop/sodapop.
This is one of the great struggles of our time.

I thought I'd be able to explain this by quoting myself, but I'm at a loss, it really did just come out of left field.
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
12/14/2008 @ 08:58:34 PM
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Stop calling it soda people, it just isn't right.
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12/14/2008 @ 09:01:01 PM
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Sarah Wrote - Today @ 09:58:34 PM
Stop calling it soda people, it just isn't right.

Why can't I call it what it is?
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12/14/2008 @ 09:02:25 PM
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The real battle rages on.
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
12/14/2008 @ 09:07:16 PM
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As u can see, I live in the pop region so my statement is valid.
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12/14/2008 @ 11:28:19 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 07:53:29 PM
I notice the Coke vs Pespi thing today. The guy next to me at the bar (I was watching the Packer game at a bar), asked for a Coke, and the bartender asked, "Is Pepsi ok?".

On a related note, in the south, the word "coke" often refers to what the rest of us refer to as simply "soda" or "pop". So, it might be that in the South (Florida really doesn't count as the South, although there are those that proudly fly the confederate flag still), when you say "I want a coke" the server actually needs to ask you to specify which type of coke you want. Just a thought. (is this an acceptable comment on this thread, Jon?)


No, because we've already talked about the coke/south thing like 10000000 times.
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jon.jpgJon - 2847 Posts
12/15/2008 @ 09:23:06 PM
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OK, I apologize for insulting people's comments.

I actually prefer a nutcan where we don't do the whole "this thread is lame" thing, so I broke my own rule, sorry.

Negative points for me.

Feel free to comment without fear of scolding.

As for the coke pepsi thing, I thought this point was good:

craig Wrote - 12/11/2008 @ 10:08:30 AM
I'd guess to a majority of the population the Coke vs. Pepsi "issue" isn't much of an issue. Which is, no doubt, why they substitute them without asking. If it's important to you then you should take the initiative and ask them what they actually have. Hmm... problem solved.


Although I agree with that initiative thing to a greater degree in theory than I do in practice. But I still agree.

I will basically always choose coke over pepsi when I knowingly have the choice, and I can tell the difference and prefer coke by far, but when I have to get pepsi, I rarely even notice once I start drinking it if I don't stop to think about it. I could still tell you what I'm drinking if you asked me, but the rest of the time I think my brain just processes it as cola and focuses on the food and other things.
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12/19/2008 @ 08:09:28 PM
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You know what would be even worse?
Serving Roundy's brand ola instead of Coke OR Pepsi.
Ick.
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12/20/2008 @ 12:21:41 AM
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What's "ola"?
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12/20/2008 @ 11:08:43 AM
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Wendy Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:09:28 PM
You know what would be even worse?
Serving Roundy's brand ola instead of Coke OR Pepsi.
Ick.


That stuff is nasty. I don't think any generic brand cola is any good.
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