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Let's say the Yankees are offering Sabathia 6 years, $140. Is it that much better than the Brewer's 5 years, $100? He'll most likely put up better numbers in the NL, he gets to bat which we know he wants to do, and he'll be a free agent at 33 instead of 34 which probably puts him in a better position to sign another big contract. For a while I was certain he was gone because I figured the bidding would be higher than that (and maybe it will be yet), but if that's the highest offer I think the Brewers still have an outside chance, unless the Giants or Dodgers make a similar offer. The Brewer's will be totally screwed if he ever gets hurt and I'm not sure I like the idea of a quarter of the payroll being spent on one guy, but if there's a guy that would be worth it it's probably C.C.

	Alex - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 11/14/2008 @ 07:54:07 PM
Back to the closer discussion. I really wouldn't mind Hoffman on a 1 year deal if they can't get anyone else. I'm assuming KRod isn't an option, so how about Wood or Fuentes? Cordero was awesome against the Brewers last year, so Wood would be awesome against the Cubs next year right?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 11/15/2008 @ 06:45:22 PM
I agree with Alex in that I would be shocked if Sabathia signed in the American League.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/17/2008 @ 08:18:23 AM
Depends on how much he's into the money and if he's short- or long-term oriented. I'd think he'd stay, but you never know. Is it a kids dream to play for the yankees still? Will being a part of that organization matter much for him? Will he be well received, or will he have as much work? Who knows?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto - 209 Posts 11/17/2008 @ 12:22:54 PM
40 Million is a big diference. The Twins offered a similar contract to Santana before they traded him and he had been with the Twins much longer than Sabathia has been with Milwaukee. The Brewers are better off trading at some of their surplus spots to acquire younger, cheaper starters from another team. If they put that much money into a pitcher, the organization could be set back years if it doesn't pan out. I still think the Twins offereing one of there young starters in a package for J.J. Hardy would be a good fit for both teams.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 11/17/2008 @ 12:42:58 PM
Yeah, the only thing the Brewers can hope for is that it's not a whole lot more in dollars per year terms. However, since baseball contracts are real money, unlike the NFL, a guaranteed 40 mil is a lot to turn down. He could suffer a career ending injury 2 days after signing it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 11/17/2008 @ 01:01:30 PM
I don't know if I'm ready to part J.J. quite yet. It may be for sentimental reasons, though.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Scott edited this at 11/17/2008 1:09:54 pm

	Alex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 11/17/2008 @ 01:44:46 PM
I'm not ready to part with him. If he's blocking Escobar then move him to 3rd. He doesn't have all-star range at short anyway but he's got a cannon arm. Or move him to 2nd. Hall's $15 million over the next 2 years is what they need to get rid of.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Refactor Mercilessly 11/17/2008 @ 01:47:23 PM
Guess Melvin isn't interested in the big name closers at all http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-081115-milwaukee-brewers-closer-rogers,0,4806243.column		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto 11/19/2008 @ 10:48:54 AM
I would imagine that since Hall is owed that much money and hasn't really produced it would be really tough to move him. In order to get a decent starter to make up for all the loss of Sheets and Sabathia the Brewers will have to move at least one of their position players and Hardy seems like the most logical choice since his value is high and they someone ready at short. The other option would be Fielder.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 12/05/2008 @ 12:19:41 PM
Guess who just scored a Brewers Wild Card hat from Kohl's for $7?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 12:45:28 PM
Guess who thinks it's kind of sad that people think a wild card birth is something to commemorate?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 4 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 12:51:51 PM
playoffs is playoffs, especially after a 26 year drought.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 01:08:13 PM
Well, yeah, that's the point. Playoffs is playoffs, they aren't inherently anything to commemorate, but when your idea of a good season has been "fewer than 20 games under .500" for 26 years, you're so hard up for anything that you go buy a hat to celebrate.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.
Jeremy edited this at 12/05/2008 1:08:38 pm

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 01:42:32 PM
where did "fewer than 20 games under .500" come from. That is more rediculous than the first comment. Boo for stomping on our joy. For the record, I've never classified a sub .500 season as a good season, not once.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Scott edited this 3 times, last at 12/05/2008 1:45:53 pm

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 01:51:49 PM
Well, it's hard to quantify their suckage in such a short statement, so I picked a number that was, admittedly, a bit insulting. It should really be more like 10.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 12/05/2008 @ 01:52:31 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 02:08:13 PM Playoffs is playoffs, they aren't inherently anything to commemorate However, by your use of the word "inherently", it implies that there could be something to commemorate. The fact that the Brewers have been absent for 26 stands to reason that any taste of the playoffs is worth commemorating. I guarantee that if the Brewers end up in the Wild Card next year there will NOT be this sort of celebration. When your kid learns to walk (if you ever have kids), are you just going to say "It's about time! Your a human being for crying out loud. You're supposed to walk."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Scott messed with this at 12/05/2008 1:54:34 pm

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 01:56:02 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 01:52:31 PM Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 01:08:13 PM Playoffs is playoffs, they aren't inherently anything to commemorate However, by your use of the word "inherently", it implies that there could be something to commemorate. The fact that the Brewers have been absent for 26 stands to reason that any taste of the playoffs is worth commemorating. I guarantee that if the Brewers end up in the Wild Card next year there will NOT be this sort of celebration. Right, but you just keep making my point. Scott Wrote - Today @ 01:52:31 PM When your kid learns to walk (if you ever have kids), are you just going to say "It's about time! Your a human being for crying out loud. You're supposed to walk." Worst. Metaphor. Ever.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy edited this at 12/05/2008 1:59:00 pm

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 02:06:03 PM
I'm not making your point. You said there is no reason to celebrate a wild card berth. My point is that after 26 years of nothing, a Wild Card berth is something to recognize and celebrate. After the first step though, the celebration should end. Just like your kid's first step is something special, but the 2nd through the millionth is nothing out of the ordinary.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 02:10:38 PM
My whole point was that it's sad that you were so hard up for anything because your team sucked so long and hard that you're making a big deal over something many others would consider no big deal, or maybe even a failure. So yes, you're making my point.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy perfected this at 12/05/2008 2:11:04 pm

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/05/2008 @ 02:25:58 PM
ok, What's the sad part, the 26 year drought, or the celebration of the Wild Card. Because if you say both than I stand by my metaphor.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 12/05/2008 @ 02:27:49 PM
I'm really not sure where the disconnect on what I mean is.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 02:50:46 PM
Also, just to turn on the Nutcan.com OverAnalyzer(r): It's a lousy metaphor because I don't think you would find very many people who wouldn't see why someone's child's first steps are a big deal to the parents. The fact that your kid has taken 27,000 steps wouldn't be a factor. You wouldn't feel pity for them because they considered their kid's first a big deal. Your team was the worst team to make the playoffs, barely squeaked in, and was summarily bounced. As I (and you) said the only reason this is considered anything at all is because you were so used to spectacular failure that you've found meaning in something that many fans would be indifferent toward, or even angry toward. A closer real life analogy for your kid would be if your kid always got really bad grades, but turned it on enough right near graduation to get accepted into some fly by night online college. One might be excited by that, and not necessarily even wrongly so, but it wouldn't be reason to celebrate in a lot of families. In other words, you aren't wrong to consider it a big deal, but it's another sign of how pitiful things have been, which is all I ever meant.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy screwed with this 7 times, last at 12/05/2008 3:34:09 pm

	Matt - 3875 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 03:10:22 PM
Jeremy also likes to point out how pathetic poor people are when they celebrate getting things that most rich people don't care about.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 03:16:43 PM
If I can turn on the Nutcan.com OverAnalyzerOverAnalyzer(r) and dump this chestnut: If you wanted to stick with the "first step" analogy a better analogy would be if a kid took his first step at the age of 16. Obviously as a singular moment this would be huge. Tears would be shed, phone calls would be made, newspaper articles would be written, people would throw around the term "miracle". But ultimately most of the reaction would be because an event that's supposed to be mundane, and somewhat trivial, in hindsight was put off so long.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 03:18:58 PM
Matt Wrote - Today @ 03:10:22 PM Jeremy also likes to point out how pathetic poor people are when they celebrate getting things that most rich people don't care about. To be fair, that's a good analogy. Though I'd more say that the situation is "pathetic" than the people themselves. Edit: I was watching some daytime court show where a mother was suing her kid's father for $500 because he promised the kids health insurance for their birthdays and didn't come through with his half. The kids aren't pathetic for being excited that they were getting insurance, the situation that a child should be so used to having and getting nothing that they get excited about getting insurance for their birthday presents is pathetic. I pitied them, and I don't feel bad, or elitist, about that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy messed with this 3 times, last at 12/05/2008 3:23:45 pm

	Matt - 3875 Posts 12/05/2008 @ 07:12:54 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 03:16:43 PM But ultimately most of the reaction would be because an event that's supposed to be mundane, and somewhat trivial, in hindsight was put off so long. Except making the playoffs is not really mundane and/or somewhat trivial no matter how many times you've been there before.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
Matt screwed with this at 12/06/2008 1:30:48 am

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 12/06/2008 @ 12:28:33 AM
Something tells me the Steinbrenners wouldn't do cartwheels over a one and done wild card season.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Matt - Ombudsman 12/06/2008 @ 01:32:42 AM
The phrase "The exception that proves the rule" seems a perfect fit here. Anyway, I'm sure that making the playoffs doesn't seem so trivial to them this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/06/2008 @ 08:46:47 AM
Well, the fact that they did even worse than the wild card this year is somewhat irrelevant. There will always be teams that are worse, children who don't get accepted to any post high school education, and kids watching the same show I was that day saying "wow! they get insurance from their parents! I'd settle for just having parents." People in an even more pathetic state don't make these situations not/less pitiful. They really have no bearing on it at all. Besides, you're reading a tad too far into the metaphor, I never really implied the playoffs were trivial, just that the huge reaction some things get is much more about the gulf between "normal" and what you've become accustomed to than it is the actual accomplishment..		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto 12/06/2008 @ 10:39:48 AM
So will the Brewers hang a Wild Card Banner in Milller Park next year?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - First I limp to the side like my leg was broken. 12/06/2008 @ 11:43:11 AM
That is a classic nutcan thread. I think the Brewers stand a great chance that C.C. sticks around. It is well known he loves the team and the fans. If he is the second coming, and worth the money, he will stay. I hope he looks at the intangibles. He would eaily become the next Favre figure in the state if he did. Jeremy sucks for making fun of people that are happy the Brewers didn't suck.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 12/06/2008 @ 02:00:01 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 08:46:47 AM Well, the fact that they did even worse than the wild card this year is somewhat irrelevant. No, its not. I said that making the playoffs wasn't trivial (more on that in a bit), you said the Steinbrenners wouldn't be too enthused over a wild card and quick playoff exit (which is probably true). I replied that they are probably less enthused over this year's result, and as such, making the playoffs is not trivial, even to the Yankees. Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 08:46:47 AM Besides, you're reading a tad too far into the metaphor, I never really implied the playoffs were trivial From your own analogy: Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 03:16:43 PM But ultimately most of the reaction would be because an event that's supposed to be mundane, and somewhat trivial, in hindsight was put off so long. I don't think I was "reading too far into this" to think that you were implying that making the playoffs was trivial. Especially since, when I made my comment that it wasn't trivial, instead of clarifying then, you decided to argue by bringing up the Steinbrenners.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
Matt messed with this at 12/06/2008 2:00:24 pm

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 12/06/2008 @ 06:24:07 PM
Well, I was in bed, and typing with one finger and with no glasses takes too long to say much.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - "That's what I call gettin a piece of Pi" 12/08/2008 @ 09:05:15 PM
I guess C.C. wants to play for the Dodgers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - A Vote for me is a Vote against Terrorism! ...or atleast just wasted. 12/09/2008 @ 07:36:06 AM
Come on... I want to play for the Dodgers. And by "play for the Dodgers" I mean I would play for the Royals, given the chance.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/09/2008 @ 04:56:49 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 08:36:06 AM Come on... I want to play for the Dodgers. And by "play for the Dodgers" I mean I would play for the Royals, given the chance. Not me, the Royals suck. I think my talents would fit better elsewhere.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 12/10/2008 @ 09:57:51 AM
CC may get 160 for 7 with the NYY. Everyone shed a tear.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/10/2008 @ 12:50:07 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 10:57:51 AM CC may get 160 for 7 with the NYY. Everyone shed a tear.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/10/2008 @ 12:57:58 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 12/05/2008 @ 03:50:46 PM As I (and you) said the only reason this is considered anything at all is because you were so used to spectacular failure that you've found meaning in something that many fans would be indifferent toward, or even angry toward. Not to keep this going, but you're saying that you aren't even the least bit enthused when your team makes the playoffs? You are indifferent towards the act of making the playoffs? You are angry about making the playoffs? I'm not. And yes, it is sad that the Brewers have been so bad for so long (although they aren't the worst team during that stretch, just for the record). But as a fan of that team, I was thrilled and excited like I have never been for a baseball team, and honestly my enthusiasm and excitement was close to the Super Bowl win for the Packers. I was much younger then, so I probablay didn't appreciate it as much, but making the playoffs IS a big deal for the Brewers organization, and it IS worth celebrating. From a marketing point of view it is a 100% no-brainer. Brewer fans are excited. From a franchise point of view, you HAVE to start somewhere, and it is worth recognizing the start of things. Heck, this is from a team that had a packed downtown for a World Series parade welcoming back the losers of that Series (1982). Milwaukee gets behind it's team. Now it's on to series business of pursuing and winning the ultimate prize. Edit: This will be my last comment on this subject. I've said what I'm going to say.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Scott perfected this 2 times, last at 12/10/2008 1:05:39 pm

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/10/2008 @ 02:00:14 PM
Being happy about making the playoffs and buying merchandise commemorating the fact that you were the 4th best team are two different things, I think you're reading too much into the conversation. I never said I, or anyone, would be angry about making the playoffs. We were talking about making it via the wildcard and then flaming out, and yes, there are a lot of teams/fans who would consider that a disappointment, and not just the Yankees. (Just to beat Matt and his Walauigi, obviously all teams would consider losing in the playoffs a disappointment. I mean that there are a lot of teams that have more than a "Wildcard investment" in their team.) If you told fans of the Yankees, Angles, Red Sox, ect you were from the future and their team made the wild card and lost they would be upset. If you told the same thing to Royal, Mariner, or Nationals fans, they would be ecstatic because it would be a bright spot, and sign of improvement. I also never said you shouldn't be happy about it, just that it's sad the situation developed where the Brewers barely making their way into the playoffs was such a major event. I'm not sure why this is such a jerky, heavy-handed, or whatever, statement to make, it's just human nature. You don't think Viking fans would go a little more nuts over a Superbowl win than the Patriot fans did when they won their 3rd in 5 years? You don't think 90% of the celebration would be about "getting the monkey off their back" vs the actual Superbowl win itself? Those same Patriot fans could look at us Viking fans and say "Wow, look how much that means to them, now I sort of pity what they went through." Maybe it's the internet "everything has to mean 120 times what the author meant" syndrome, but I'm not even sure how you twisted what I said into "You shouldn't be happy your team made the playoffs."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy messed with this 2 times, last at 12/10/2008 2:17:26 pm

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/10/2008 @ 03:06:33 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 03:00:14 PM I also never said you shouldn't be happy about it, just that it's sad the situation developed where the Brewers barely making their way into the playoffs was such a major event. Who cares about "barely getting in"? Should I have been more happy if they beat the mets by 2 games instead of one?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 12/10/2008 @ 03:08:04 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 02:00:14 PM I'm not sure why this is such a jerky, heavy-handed, or whatever, statement to make, it's just human nature. Jeremy Wrote - 12/05/2008 @ 12:45:28 PM Guess who thinks it's kind of sad that people think a wild card birth is something to commemorate? As a stand alone statement it may be OK, but you said this in response to Alex buying the hat, which makes it seem like you were getting a jab in at him (and thus, any fan that shares his enthusiasm). So yeah, this seems a little jerky to me (even though I agree with your larger point, just not all aspects of your argument). I guess my point is that yes, the situation you describe is a little funny/sad/pathetic overall. While it maybe OK to say so to fans of other teams, when you say it to a fan of the Brewers (or any other team in the same situation), it's going to be taken as a jab* at them no matter what your intention was, that's just human nature. I guess I'm not sure how you expected this thread to go any way other than the way it did. * Just to make it clear, I'm not against taking jabs at others for their sports/political/etc. loyalties. Good natured ribbing is part of what Nutcan is all about. EDIT: I also want to make it clear that if it was the Twins in this situation instead of the Brewers, I would have celebrated as much as Brewers fans did, and I would also expect that fans of better-off teams would find the whole thing amusing as well. It's like the old saying "One man's trash is another man's treasure". We all will find ourselves on each end of that at different times, and neither position is really "right" or "wrong".		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Matt screwed with this 2 times, last at 12/10/2008 3:22:47 pm

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/10/2008 @ 03:24:28 PM
group hug, anyone? And it's berth, not birth.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
Scott perfected this at 12/10/2008 3:31:58 pm

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/10/2008 @ 03:37:42 PM
Matt Wrote - Today @ 03:08:04 PM As a stand alone statement it may be OK, but you said this in response to Alex buying the hat, which makes it seem like you were getting a jab in at him (and thus, any fan that shares his enthusiasm). So yeah, this seems a little jerky to me (even though I agree with your larger point, just not all aspects of your argument). Well, that was a jab. Alex wouldn't buy that hat if the brewers didn't suck hard basically his entire life. It probably wouldn't have even been made. I just don't see how the subsequent discussion could be taken as my telling those fans they shouldn't be happy, period, no matter what, with "only" a wild card win. All I meant was that different teams/people/whatever have goals that are based off previous achievements, expectations, checkpoints, etc, and that what might be a major accomplishment to one entity is a step backward to another. Furthermore the bigger deal the "lesser" entity makes out of the lesser accomplishment the more they draw attention to their lesserhood and their history of lessness. It's just "one man's trash is another man's treasure" in sports form and if the positions were reversed the same thing would be going on. (Like may soon happen with the Vikings winning the NFC North.) However, since in this instance the Twins have been the "superior" team for a while, I felt like making some jabs. There seemed to be a disconnect between what I said and what was interpreted, clearly illustrated by Scott spending the first few posts "arguing" that it's "only such a big deal because it's been so long," which was exactly the point I was making. If I had to guess I would say it was fueled by the other thing internet conversations are famous for, which is reading just enough of something to perceive a "threat" and going on the defensive. Edit: Hmm, you seem to have done some editing, and it seems we're on the same page. Matt Wrote - Today @ 03:08:04 PM neither position is really "right" or "wrong". Which I said.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy messed with this 4 times, last at 12/10/2008 3:45:34 pm

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/10/2008 @ 03:47:43 PM
Jeremy's point withstanding, Matt's point was better in that "what did you expect from a comment like that." This is NutCan for crying out loud.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 12/10/2008 @ 03:52:14 PM
Well I expected some arguing about your sucky team sucking, I just felt the whining wasn't addressing why/how I was calling your sucky team sucky. I like all whining to be on point.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/10/2008 @ 03:54:33 PM
I was on point, I was just on a slightly different point. It's called redirecting. I learn it from watching the news. I'll answer the question I feel like answering.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 12/10/2008 @ 04:01:10 PM
In otherwords the conversation should have been somewhere along these lines: Jeremy: Guess who thinks it's kind of sad that people think a wild card birth is something to commemorate? Scott: As opposed to the lengthy drought the Twins went though before they got good again, relatively recently? Jeremy: Well that was only the mid to late 90's. The Brewers sucked for like 20 years solid. Scott: The Twins sucked enough to almost get contracted. Jeremy: Well that's not totally fair, the owner offered them up for contraction. Scott: Yeah, because no one attended games, because they sucked. Jeremy: Brewers suck! Scott:Twins suck! Jeremy:Screw you! Scott:Screw you more!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 12/10/2008 @ 04:11:31 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 03:37:42 PM It's just "one man's trash is another man's treasure" in sports form and if the positions were reversed the same thing would be going on. (Like may soon happen with the Vikings winning the NFC North.) However, since in this instance the Twins have been the "superior" team for a while, I felt like making some jabs. I would like to (hopefully) preemptively point out that while their might be an analogous "overreaction" to winning the NFC North that any merchandise celebrating said fact isn't really the same thing. In this case you're at least actually the "best" of something. Although what's the deal with the people who wear the Division/Conference champs stuff when the team goes on to win the Superbowl? I blame Christmas.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy messed with this 2 times, last at 12/10/2008 4:35:40 pm

	Sarah - So's your face 12/10/2008 @ 05:40:48 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 04:01:10 PM In otherwords the conversation should have been somewhere along these lines: Jeremy: Guess who thinks it's kind of sad that people think a wild card birth is something to commemorate? Scott: As opposed to the lengthy drought the Twins went though before they got good again, relatively recently? Jeremy: Well that was only the mid to late 90's. The Brewers sucked for like 20 years solid. Scott: The Twins sucked enough to almost get contracted. Jeremy: Well that's not totally fair, the owner offered them up for contraction. Scott: Yeah, because no one attended games, because they sucked. Jeremy: Brewers suck! Scott:Twins suck! Jeremy:Screw you! Scott:Screw you more! So you're still not going to spell berth right?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/10/2008 @ 06:01:38 PM
Well, it would be intellectually insincere to correct my typo when, essentially, quoting myself.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/10/2008 @ 07:26:35 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 12:57:58 PM Not to keep this going, Matt Wrote - Today @ 03:08:04 PM I guess I'm not sure how you expected this thread to go any way other than the way it did. Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 03:37:42 PM Well, that was a jab. Alex wouldn't buy that hat if the brewers didn't suck hard basically his entire life. It probably wouldn't have even been made. Possibly it wouldn't have been made, although I found shirts and coins for even the Red Sox this year so probably somewhere you could find a hat. http://www.sportsauthority.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=boston%20wild%20card&origkw=boston%20wild%20card&sr=1 Also, you're overlooking the fact that it's a decent looking hat for $7. Edit: It was actually $7.50 - 15% + %5.1 tax for $6.70 Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 04:11:31 PM I would like to (hopefully) preemptively point out that while their might be an analogous "overreaction" to winning the NFC North that any merchandise celebrating said fact isn't really the same thing. In this case you're at least actually the "best" of something. I'm preemptively calling BS then. Are you really going to try and argue that being the "best" out of 4 teams is better than being the 4th best out of 16 teams? Especially when it was really 3rd best and even 2nd best in the division puts them ahead of 4 teams instead of only 3 teams. Actually, I agree with you that it's really not the same thing. The Brewers winning the Wild Card race is more impressive than the Vikings possibly winning the NFC North, particularly when the Lions don't even count so the Vikings would then really only be the "best" out of 3 teams.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Alex screwed with this at 12/10/2008 7:30:02 pm

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 12/10/2008 @ 08:07:10 PM
Well, I'm going to call BS on your BS, because winning the NFC North would mean the Vikings could start the playoffs at no worse than 4th out of the 16 teams, so there. Really though, yes being #1 in the division in the NFL is a bigger deal than the wildcard in the MLB in terms of "Merchandise Worthy Achievements," you were best of something. Your wildcard hat is the equivalent of a participation trophy. It's not even a debatable point. Had that been a NL Central Champs hat you bought we wouldn't be having this talk. Sometimes I can't believe the things we argue about on here. I'll await your concession.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - Who controls the past now controls the future 12/10/2008 @ 10:16:36 PM
4th highest seeded team in the playoffs sure, I think total regular season record is more meaningful than playoff seed though from an accomplishment point of view. The Brewers were the best team out of 13 teams that didn't win their division, so they were the best of something, which is why they got the wildcard. Debate that. And if my wildcard hat = participation trophy, did the Twins take the year off or something? Because I didn't see them getting any participation trophies.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/10/2008 @ 10:46:09 PM
Well, if your hat says "Milwaukee Brewers - 2008 best team out of the 13 teams that didn't win their division" then you have a case.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 12/10/2008 @ 11:05:06 PM
It says Wild Card, which is the short way to say "best team out of the 13 teams that didn't win their division".		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 12/10/2008 @ 11:18:22 PM
Right, best team that didn't win anything in particular. I'll await your concession.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/11/2008 @ 08:15:52 AM
Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 05:11:31 PM Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 04:37:42 PM It's just "one man's trash is another man's treasure" in sports form and if the positions were reversed the same thing would be going on. (Like may soon happen with the Vikings winning the NFC North.) However, since in this instance the Twins have been the "superior" team for a while, I felt like making some jabs. I would like to (hopefully) preemptively point out that while their might be an analogous "overreaction" to winning the NFC North that any merchandise celebrating said fact isn't really the same thing. In this case you're at least actually the "best" of something. Although what's the deal with the people who wear the Division/Conference champs stuff when the team goes on to win the Superbowl? I blame Christmas. I don't think I would blame anyone for celebrating a division Title. Although to be honest, I don't get as excited about it because for most of my lifetime the Packers have been a playoff team almost every year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/11/2008 @ 08:17:53 AM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 12:18:22 AM I'll await your concession. Umm, I don't think it's coming.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/11/2008 @ 08:23:18 AM
Sarah Wrote - Yesterday @ 06:40:48 PM Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 05:01:10 PM In otherwords the conversation should have been somewhere along these lines: Jeremy: Guess who thinks it's kind of sad that people think a wild card birth is something to commemorate? Scott: As opposed to the lengthy drought the Twins went though before they got good again, relatively recently? Jeremy: Well that was only the mid to late 90's. The Brewers sucked for like 20 years solid. Scott: The Twins sucked enough to almost get contracted. Jeremy: Well that's not totally fair, the owner offered them up for contraction. Scott: Yeah, because no one attended games, because they sucked. Jeremy: Brewers suck! Scott:Twins suck! Jeremy:Screw you! Scott:Screw you more! So you're still not going to spell berth right? I don't remember saying some of those things. The last things I'm sure I've said, but not the other stuff.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/11/2008 @ 08:26:43 AM
Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:26:35 PM Possibly it wouldn't have been made, although I found shirts and coins for even the Red Sox this year so probably somewhere you could find a hat. http://www.sportsauthority.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=boston%20wild%20card&origkw=boston%20wild%20card&sr=1 Honestly, I think this pounds the final nail in the coffin against Jeremy's case. If the Red Sox, winners of 2 of the last 4 WS titles can celebrate a wild card with hats and things, anyone can, and it shouldn't be looked at as something only pathetic teams do.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/11/2008 @ 08:29:41 AM
I think there have been a record number of 1 nut ratings over the past couple of days.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 12/11/2008 @ 09:43:36 AM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 08:26:43 AM Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 07:26:35 PM Possibly it wouldn't have been made, although I found shirts and coins for even the Red Sox this year so probably somewhere you could find a hat. http://www.sportsauthority.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=boston%20wild%20card&origkw=boston%20wild%20card&sr=1 Honestly, I think this pounds the final nail in the coffin against Jeremy's case. If the Red Sox, winners of 2 of the last 4 WS titles can celebrate a wild card with hats and things, anyone can, and it shouldn't be looked at as something only pathetic teams do. Well, I was being a bit facetious. Obviously someone is going to try and turn a buck off anything that happens, especially with a few select teams who have more die hard (read gullible) fans. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if there were "We weren't last!" and "J.D. Drew was All-Star MVP" shirts floating around Boston. Also, the fact that they have wild card merchandise doesn't change anything. It's still kind of pathetic, though in their case it's a different kind.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
Jeremy screwed with this at 12/11/2008 9:45:28 am

	jthompto 12/11/2008 @ 10:47:34 AM
I think baseball is the only sport where celebrating a Wild Card is somewhat acceptable. Because there is only 1 wild card per league so you can kind of refer to it is winning something. Plus with only 8 of 30 teams making the playoffs, baseball has the smallest ratio out there so getting a playoff berth is a major acheivment, considering the long grueling season. We have also seen many Wild Card teams go on to win the World Series as well. Fans can choose what type of merchandise they want to buy. Even though the Packers won the Super Bowl in 97 people in Eau Claire still continued to wear the NFC Central Champions and NFC Champions stuff.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 12/11/2008 @ 11:09:54 AM
jthompto Wrote - Today @ 10:47:34 AM Fans can choose what type of merchandise they want to buy. Of course they can, but I can also make fun of them for it. jthompto Wrote - Today @ 10:47:34 AM Even though the Packers won the Super Bowl in 97 people in Eau Claire still continued to wear the NFC Central Champions and NFC Champions stuff. Two wrongs don't make a right. (It was 1996 season that they won it, though it was technically 97 by then.) Those people look silly. Though, as I mentioned before, I blame Christmas. The NFL season isn't fully played out by the time Christmas rolls around, so everyone who knows you're a fan of a team buys you the stuff before everything runs its course. You don't want to throw the stuff out, or take it back, because that would be rude, and it's still a perfectly functional shirt. However, it's been 11 years people, it might be time to let go of that God-awful green-pink "mardi-gras" themed Superbowl crap that was out of style before you brought it, let alone the 1996 Division champs hat.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - Tater Salad? 12/11/2008 @ 12:49:22 PM
Stop hating and concentrate on the current season, why don't you! Jeez.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/11/2008 @ 02:46:36 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 12:09:54 PM jthompto Wrote - Today @ 11:47:34 AM Fans can choose what type of merchandise they want to buy. Of course they can, but I can also make fun of them for it. jthompto Wrote - Today @ 11:47:34 AM Even though the Packers won the Super Bowl in 97 people in Eau Claire still continued to wear the NFC Central Champions and NFC Champions stuff. Two wrongs don't make a right. (It was 1996 season that they won it, though it was technically 97 by then.) Those people look silly. Though, as I mentioned before, I blame Christmas. The NFL season isn't fully played out by the time Christmas rolls around, so everyone who knows you're a fan of a team buys you the stuff before everything runs its course. You don't want to throw the stuff out, or take it back, because that would be rude, and it's still a perfectly functional shirt. However, it's been 11 years people, it might be time to let go of that God-awful green-pink "mardi-gras" themed Superbowl crap that was out of style before you brought it, let alone the 1996 Division champs hat. My dad probably had about 8 Super Bowl Champion shirts at one time. He still wears them around the house.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 12/11/2008 @ 03:06:25 PM
Punto gets 2 year deal		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/11/2008 @ 03:42:11 PM
Brewers traded Cameron		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/11/2008 @ 05:41:49 PM
Let's go Punto		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/23/2008 @ 04:09:45 PM
Teixeira to the Yanks, who are trying to single-handedly bring the country out the recession with a spending binge. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3790141		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 12/23/2008 @ 04:14:25 PM
Buster Olney drops Hoffman's name in connection with the Brewers http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3789344&name=olney_buster		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 01/05/2009 @ 10:30:36 PM
Lame http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3812334		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 01/05/2009 @ 10:52:25 PM
When did we lose our ability to look at anything rationally? I blame congress.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Who controls the past now controls the future 01/08/2009 @ 01:17:24 PM
Hoffman to the Brewers. Since I called this 2 months ago it clearly proves that I could be a MLB GM. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3818472		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 01/08/2009 @ 01:24:09 PM
I don't know what would be worse, the Brewers losing Sheets, Sabathia, or Jim Powell Seriously though, Jim Powell in my opinion has been every bit as enjoyable as Bob Uecker to listen to.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 01/08/2009 @ 01:43:03 PM
So, what happens if all 3 go?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 01/08/2009 @ 01:55:22 PM
Total and complete collapse		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 01/08/2009 @ 05:14:23 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 01:24:09 PM Seriously though, Jim Powell in my opinion has been every bit as enjoyable as Bob Uecker to listen to. Word. They're a great combo.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3375 Posts 01/08/2009 @ 11:44:54 PM
Alex Wrote - Today @ 01:17:24 PM Hoffman to the Brewers. Since I called this 2 months ago it clearly proves that I could be a MLB GM. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3818472 And 2 months ago I laughed at the notion of the Brewers paying for another closer whose best days are behind him. I haven't changed my opinion. Granted, Hoffman's career is many times greater than a certain bespectacled Canadian closer's, but still, he's been around a while. Apparently he's older than 40. Are we expecting 90's trevor hoffman? Because we're at the end of the next decade. I guess the Brewers couldn't get much worse than they've been at closer the last couple years. Still, would it really surprise you if he had a bad year? Especially moving from what I think is one of the top pitchers parks to an unquestionable hitters park?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Who controls the past now controls the future 01/09/2009 @ 12:36:54 AM
It wouldn't surprise me at all. But at this point it looks like they'll lose Gagne (who was decent at times), Torres, Mota, and I'm not sure Shouse is up too. So at the very least Hoffman gives them someone to throw out there at the beginning of the season. And they aren't paying him as much as Gagne. I'm not expecting 90's Hoffman, but the Brewers just need arms and he seems like a safe if not spectacular addition.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 01/09/2009 @ 04:45:28 AM
Jon Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:44:54 PM Especially moving from what I think is one of the top pitchers parks to an unquestionable hitters park? Yeah, Petco is an extreme pitchers park, but if you look at Hoffman's splits from last year, he actually pitched a little better on the road (although he pitched so few innings it's kind of a small sample size). As for Miller Park, if you go by the Park Factors listed on Baseball-reference.com, it has actually been an "even" park over the past few years and going by just last year it slightly favored pitchers. The Park Factors are listed near the tops of these pages in case anyone cares: 2008 Padres 2008 Brewers As for my view of the signing, I think it is a decent signing as long as the Brewers don't expect too much. Hoffman actually pitched pretty well in the second half of last year (although it was only 17 innings of his 45+ total). The deal is reportedly worth $6 million for this coming year, which is probably a little high for the value he's likely to produce (of course most closers are probably overpaid as it is), but it's not so high that it will hurt the Brewers too much if he collapses, which at his age is a real possibility.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Matt screwed with this at 01/09/2009 4:46:23 am

	Scott - 6225 Posts 01/09/2009 @ 07:21:56 AM
Jon Wrote - Today @ 12:44:54 AM Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 02:17:24 PM Hoffman to the Brewers. Since I called this 2 months ago it clearly proves that I could be a MLB GM. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3818472 And 2 months ago I laughed at the notion of the Brewers paying for another closer whose best days are behind him. I haven't changed my opinion. Granted, Hoffman's career is many times greater than a certain bespectacled Canadian closer's, but still, he's been around a while. Apparently he's older than 40. Are we expecting 90's trevor hoffman? Because we're at the end of the next decade. I guess the Brewers couldn't get much worse than they've been at closer the last couple years. Still, would it really surprise you if he had a bad year? Especially moving from what I think is one of the top pitchers parks to an unquestionable hitters park? Last year was really the only year they struggled at the closer role. Although they have limped from year to year it seems, going into each year not really knowing who their closer actually is going to be.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - First I limp to the side like my leg was broken. 01/09/2009 @ 07:32:19 PM
Hoffman converted 34-37 last year. That's hardly anything to sneeze at especially on that team. I did not know that Powell was gone. They were a GREAT team.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 01/13/2009 @ 01:43:58 PM
I don't know if the Brewers ever considered keeping Mota, but he has agreement to go back to the Dodgers. Kapler signed with the Rays, so I'm assuming there are moves to be made or Gywnn is going to be the 4th outfielder to start the season.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - many posts 01/13/2009 @ 11:53:00 PM
Scott Wrote - 01/09/2009 @ 07:21:56 AM Last year was really the only year they struggled at the closer role. Really? You don't consider the Derrick Turnbow era a struggle? That's good news for him. Maybe he'll get the job back.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 01/14/2009 @ 08:10:58 AM
I don't think he is going to make a comeback, but he really only had 1 bad year. They went through a different closer every year. I guess going onto 2 maybe 3 years of struggling does qualify for a bad era. But Derrick Turnbow was lightsout for a couple years. The actual Turnbow "struggle" was very brief, however catostrophic the collapse, it was over very quickly. But Turnbow was an all-star one year, and was a very sold closer for a year or two.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Scott edited this at 01/14/2009 8:17:43 am

	jthompto 01/16/2009 @ 10:18:39 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/01/15/rules.changes.ap/index.html Owners vote to use head to head rather than a coin flip for tiebreaker games. If this was the case last season, the Twins would have played the White Sox at home instead of in Chicago and they may have been a playoff team. Although I am not sure I am a big fan of tiebreaker games. Why not just use the head to head or division record to determine the division winner?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 01/16/2009 @ 10:34:41 AM
Figures.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 01/16/2009 @ 01:46:00 PM
So if the "finish the game" rule doesn't apply to the All-Star game, what is the tiebreaker?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 01/16/2009 @ 02:16:45 PM
the winner of the celebrity softball game determines the winner of the all-star game in the event of a tie game.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 01/16/2009 @ 02:49:13 PM
The tie breaker would still be the All Star Game, "finished" or not.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 01/16/2009 @ 05:39:14 PM
So it doesn't have to go all 9 innings, but there does have to be a winner? No more ties? Or did they already say that before and I'm just being stupid?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 01/17/2009 @ 10:57:04 AM
All that this addressed, as far as I know at least, is what qualifies as a game. If a tornado hits the town partway through the game and it's stopped was enough of the game played to call it a game, or do you have to finish it out. This just changed the rules so that playoff games always have to be played out. The issue with the All Star game is what to do if the game stays tied for 27 innings, which is a different issue.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy screwed with this at 01/17/2009 10:58:20 am

	Sarah - So's your face 01/17/2009 @ 04:13:37 PM
http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090116&content_id=3748207&vkey=news_min&fext=.jsp&c_id=min Gagne, really? Have the Twins seen him play?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - many posts 01/17/2009 @ 07:05:39 PM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 04:13:37 PM http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090116&content_id=3748207&vkey=news_min&fext=.jsp&c_id=min Gagne, really? Have the Twins seen him play? They must be thinking about bringing Greg Gagne back and just got a little confused. Personally, I'd be all for that plan.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 01/20/2009 @ 09:43:20 AM
Nick Punto will play for Italy in the World Baseball Classic.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - ...and Bob's your Uncle! 01/20/2009 @ 01:34:21 PM
Matt Wrote - Today @ 09:43:20 AM Nick Punto will play for Italy in the World Baseball Classic.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 01/20/2009 @ 07:14:57 PM
Matt Wrote - Today @ 09:43:20 AM Nick Punto will play for Italy in the World Baseball Classic. That's such old news...		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - Refactor Mercilessly 01/22/2009 @ 05:48:23 PM
Fielder 2 years 18 mill http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3853135 Seems a bit much to me, but I'd try and trade him anyway the next time it's July and the Brewers aren't in serious playoff contention.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 01/24/2009 @ 10:44:23 AM
Sounds like Counsell will be back for 1 mill, good utility guy to have around. Sheets still available and looking like a potential bargain. Sure he's had injury issues, but he did start the All-Star game last year. http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3857004&name=olney_buster It's official, Powell goes to Braves. Makes me wish I would've listed to the radio more often over the last couple years instead of the TV. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090123&content_id=3769056&vkey=news_mil&fext=.jsp&c_id=mil&partnerId=rss_mil Hart and Weeks still headed towards arbitration. I wouldn't budge on the one year offer to Weeks, but I'd like to see them lock up Hart like they did Braun with a multi-year deal. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090124&content_id=3769066&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp&partnerId=rss_mlb		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 01/24/2009 @ 02:13:12 PM
Corey Hart is overrated.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 01/24/2009 @ 07:38:38 PM
Matt Wrote - Today @ 02:13:12 PM Corey Hart is overrated. He probably is a little bit, especially by Brewer fans. But according to baseball-reference.com there's some decent names in his similar at the same age list, namely Joe Carter, David Justice, Jim Edmonds. He needs to cut back on the Ks a bit (as do most Brewers) http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hartco01.shtml		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 01/25/2009 @ 03:31:56 PM
I still have faith in Corey Hart. He was one of the Brewers best clutch hitters last year until September when he apparently forgot that the season wasn't over in August. He's a 20-20 guy who is better than average in the outfield. He probably can settle down and hit about .300 consistantly. Given the green light more often, he could probably steal close to 40 bases. Jim Powell leaving makes me sad. He was an excellent broadcaster, very low-key, very knowledgable, very fun to listen to. Moreso, it brings to a reality that Bob Uecker is getting closer and closer to being done. It is very likely that whoever the Brewers higher to replace Powell will be Uecker's last partner. That will be a sad day. Brett Favre has nothing Bob Uecker in terms of how I've enjoyed what he brought to game and team I loved. Heck, when you name your dog after a radio announcer, it stands to reason that you would have a higher than average admiration for the guy.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 02/02/2009 @ 01:58:35 PM
Shouse to Rays. I didn't realize he was 40 years old http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3875013		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 02/05/2009 @ 02:05:14 PM
Rumors of Sheets having offer from Rangers but failing physical and may need elbow surgery and miss the 2009 season http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3886732		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 02/05/2009 @ 02:28:50 PM
To be fair you could say he'll be "out for most, if not all, of the [next] season" and be right most of the time.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 02/05/2009 @ 03:20:23 PM
I will be out for the rest of the season- you can bank on that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 02/08/2009 @ 12:55:39 AM
Scott Wrote - 01/25/2009 @ 03:31:56 PM I still have faith in Corey Hart. He was one of the Brewers best clutch hitters last year until September when he apparently forgot that the season wasn't over in August. He's a 20-20 guy who is better than average in the outfield. He probably can settle down and hit about .300 consistantly. Given the green light more often, he could probably steal close to 40 bases. He hasn't even hit .300 once, so I'm not sure what your faith is based on. Also, the Brewers' clutch hitting last year was absolutely horrendous, so being one of the best of that group isn't saying much. I stumbled across this analysis which is spot on I believe, I still have nightmares about watching him whiff on slider after slider in the 2nd half of the year http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/corey-harts-hacking-ways		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/08/2009 @ 07:51:26 AM
Corey Hart was indeed a threat at one point in the season with runners in scoring position. His numbers dropped greatly because he had a really bad slump in August and September.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 02/08/2009 @ 11:34:22 AM
According to the clutch rating on this site, Hart was actually the worst on the team out of players with at least 100 ABs. The glossary says this about the stat, "Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment." and "Why you should care: Unlike tradition clutch statistics (close & late), Clutch is a much more comprehensive statistic taking into account all situations that may or may not have been high leverage. Additionally, instead of comparing a player to the rest of the field, it compares a player to himself. A player who hits .300 in high leverage situations when he’s an overall .300 hitter is not considered Clutch." Forgot the link: http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Brewers&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=100&type=3&season=2008&month=0 Guess it doesn't save the sort, click on the Clutch header		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Alex messed with this 2 times, last at 02/08/2009 11:36:27 am

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 02/08/2009 @ 11:57:20 AM
Who's this guy Alaya that the Twins just paid a lot of money for? It doesn't seem like he has great stats, but maybe that's because he wasn't put into the greatest situations?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 02/08/2009 @ 12:35:54 PM
He had a nice 2004 - http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1650&position=P#value		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 02/08/2009 @ 01:49:08 PM
Alex Wrote - Today @ 12:34:22 PM According to the clutch rating on this site, Hart was actually the worst on the team out of players with at least 100 ABs. The glossary says this about the stat, "Clutch: A measurement of how much better or worse a player does in high leverage situations than he would have done in a context neutral environment." and "Why you should care: Unlike tradition clutch statistics (close & late), Clutch is a much more comprehensive statistic taking into account all situations that may or may not have been high leverage. Additionally, instead of comparing a player to the rest of the field, it compares a player to himself. A player who hits .300 in high leverage situations when he’s an overall .300 hitter is not considered Clutch." Forgot the link: http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Brewers&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=100&type=3&season=2008&month=0 Guess it doesn't save the sort, click on the Clutch header Yes, I acknowledge that his numbers at the end of the year weren't good. But at one point last season, possibly through July, he was the Brewers best hitter with runners on. He struggled down the stretch, no doubt, but if he can turn in a complete season--and with a new approach from a new hitting coach--I really think Hart has what it takes to be the Brewers second best option for driving in runs in key situations (second to Braun).		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 02/08/2009 @ 09:15:16 PM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 11:57:20 AM Who's this guy Alaya that the Twins just paid a lot of money for? It doesn't seem like he has great stats, but maybe that's because he wasn't put into the greatest situations? $1.3 million isn't that much money, in baseball terms at least. He wasn't very good last year, but I guess he had an injury so that may have affected him. He stats before last year look alright though, except that he doesn't strike too many batters out. Pitchers who don't strike people out tend to decline faster than those who do.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 02/09/2009 @ 01:32:23 PM
Alex Wrote - 01/22/2009 @ 05:48:23 PM Fielder 2 years 18 mill http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3853135 Seems a bit much to me, but I'd try and trade him anyway the next time it's July and the Brewers aren't in serious playoff contention. Then again, compared to 3 years for $54 million maybe Fielder's contract looks like a good deal for the Brewers http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3892759		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Who controls the past now controls the future 02/10/2009 @ 01:10:09 PM
Looper to Brewer's, ESPN Rumor Central says the 1 year is agreed to with some details on the 2nd year option being worked out, and he still has to pass a physical http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3895534 I'm assuming that everyone besides Gallardo is going to be auditioning for rotation position in spring training, with the preferably outcome being that Suppan decides to retire and not collect any more salary. Depth Chart on ESPN currently says Gallardo, Bush, Suppan, McClung, Parra. In all seriousness they're pretty stuck throwing Suppan out there and Bush has been most consistent out of the rest so it'll probably be between Parra and McClung for the last spot to start the year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - Even now in Heaven there are angels carrying savage weapons 02/11/2009 @ 01:40:59 PM
Yahoo fantasy baseball has started. Looks like it now supports trading of draft picks, which I deem to be sweet. Pitchers and catchers report on Monday. Matt Wrote - 02/08/2009 @ 10:15:16 PM $1.3 million isn't that much money, in baseball terms at least. He wasn't very good last year, but I guess he had an injury so that may have affected him. He stats before last year look alright though, except that he doesn't strike too many batters out. Pitchers who don't strike people out tend to decline faster than those who do. The worst thing about this guy is now there is only one spot for Bonser or Phillip Humber, who are both out of options. I'm not for signing a mediocre reliever if it means we have to wind up losing either one of those guys. Edit: I am on vacation in FL again from 3/27-4/3. If we could be so kind as to not have a draft then, I would be very appreciative.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Carlos44ec - "Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else." 02/11/2009 @ 04:11:27 PM
Do we need this guy? I agree, Boof and Humber both showed they have some heart and at the very least some potential.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - We can do this easy, or we can do it real easy 02/11/2009 @ 04:27:39 PM
I was very much in favor of signing one of the 7 quality guys that all got signed for 1-4 million prior to this guy (Joe Nelson, Brandon Lyon, Takashi Saito, etc etc) We could definitely use a quality 8th inning guy to replace Neshek but we didn't really need another Matt Guerrier.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/12/2009 @ 08:44:21 AM
Just FYI, Corey Hart batted .284 (145 for 510) up until September, with 20 homers and 81 RBI. It really was the last month of the season that killed his overall numbers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 02/12/2009 @ 09:55:24 AM
Go here: http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/corey-harts-hacking-ways for a look at the advanced stats on Corey Hart. To summarize: "The game plan against Hart last season, particularly during his execrable second half (.239/.263/.396), became simple: get ahead of him 0-1, and then feed him a steady diet of sliders, knowing full well that he would be tempted to chase them out of the zone. The Bill James projection system sees a rebound season in store for Hart (.286/.336/.496), but he’s going to have to show some restraint against those outside sliders, lest NL pitchers make quick work of him again in 2009." Poor 2nd half aside, a .300 OBP and .759 OPS is approaching Carlos Gomez territory, who was one of the worst hitters in baseball last year, especially if you remove bunt singles.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 02/12/2009 @ 10:52:00 AM
worst hitters in baseball is a pretty harsh title. Especially since he wasn't even the worst hitter on his own team. And not even that "poor" of a second half. It was a horrible September that completely scews his overall numbers. That other 5 months he wasn't bad. He hit .299 for the month of August with .833 OPS for crying out loud. Nothing wrong with those numbers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Micah - 584 Posts 02/12/2009 @ 12:11:35 PM
Granted he wasn't the worst hitter on the Brewers, but wasn't Bill Hall only playing because they signed him to a bad contract? And with Gomez being one of the worst, I am referring to every day players, not including catchers that are playing for defense. Parsing stats into months isn't really an effective way to look at it, but .265/.301/.439 in July isn't much to look at either. Gomez is widely regarded as having had a terrible offensive year which was made a lot better by outstanding defense and a move to the 9 spot from leadoff. And for how much crap Gomez gets for not being able to take a walk, Hart only had 2 more than Gomez last year in 43 more plate appearances. Hitting .299 in August is tempered by the fact that he walked 3 times for a .310 OBP. But 2nd half Gomez was .268/.313/.379 vs Hart's .239/.263/.396. Plus Hart gives you pretty much league average defense or worse.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Micah edited this at 02/12/2009 12:38:24 pm

	Carlos44ec - Tater Salad? 02/12/2009 @ 12:14:14 PM
so you guys are good at stats, huh? Where should I fax/email my take-home final to?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 02/12/2009 @ 12:42:08 PM
Please send to me. I expect 1000 words on why its really hard to just not accept that a .300 batting average means you are a great player anymore, and that defense matters more and more these days, even though number of errors means basically nothing. And why I am tired of learning all these new baseball stat acronyms, even though I think the stats are really cool.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 02/12/2009 @ 01:00:42 PM
Corey Hart Stats with runners in scoring position by month April .381 May .292 June .345 July .147 Aug .360 Sept .212 4 of the 6 months he was red-freaking hot in clutch situations!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 02/12/2009 @ 01:07:29 PM
Micah Wrote - Today @ 01:11:35 PM Granted he wasn't the worst hitter on the Brewers, but wasn't Bill Hall only playing because they signed him to a bad contract? And with Gomez being one of the worst, I am referring to every day players, not including catchers that are playing for defense. Parsing stats into months isn't really an effective way to look at it, but .265/.301/.439 in July isn't much to look at either. Gomez is widely regarded as having had a terrible offensive year which was made a lot better by outstanding defense and a move to the 9 spot from leadoff. And for how much crap Gomez gets for not being able to take a walk, Hart only had 2 more than Gomez last year in 43 more plate appearances. Hitting .299 in August is tempered by the fact that he walked 3 times for a .310 OBP. But 2nd half Gomez was .268/.313/.379 vs Hart's .239/.263/.396. Plus Hart gives you pretty much league average defense or worse. OBP for a number 5 hitter is not a significant stat. In fact, I would argue that if your 5 hitter has a high OBP, he is NOT doing his job. And considering you are comparing a number 5 hitter (hart) to a number 1 hitter (Gomez), that stat is not comparible between the two.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 02/12/2009 @ 01:34:17 PM
Pretty much have to agree with everything Micah said, even though he did repost my Hart link (and I'll point out that Hall hit lefties just fine but might as well have batted with his eyes closed against righties). .292 is not hot, that's under the .300 average that you're expecting him to have. And you can't just discount the last month of the year, at least not without some sort of excuse (like an injury or something). There are a lot of guys in baseball who can hit .350 every other month or every 3 months and still end up with .270 averages. It's probably the norm actually.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 02/12/2009 @ 01:48:23 PM
Hey look at that I did repost your link. I only saw the one on clutch hitting. I guess I missed it among 2000 posts about Brewer's playoff hats.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 02/12/2009 @ 03:59:55 PM
How can you agree with a guy who thinks that a number 5 hitter should have the same OBP as a guy who was supposed to be a leadoff hitter (and same walk totals)? Clearly you both are not thinking rationally. I'm trying to refute the claim that Hart is one of the worst hitters in baseball, in that for 75% of the season he was the Brewers BEST hitter in clutch situations. Yes he slumped for a couple lengthy periods. But again, for most of the season, when the Brewers needed a hit in a key situation Hart was the guy they could count on.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Sarah - 4605 Posts 02/12/2009 @ 07:21:07 PM
I like them both, who cares about batting averages?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 02/12/2009 @ 08:06:11 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 03:59:55 PM in that for 75% of the season he was the Brewers BEST hitter in clutch situations. And then the scouting report got passed around the league on how to pitch him and he never adjusted, so he struggled in the most important 25% of the season. My point and the point of that link, is that once pitchers figured out he couldn't handle sliders, he struggled. He didn't just "have a slump", pitchers started pitching him differently and his output went down. Is he capable of fixing that problem? I hope so, but if he doesn't it's unlikely that his numbers will improve much.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 02/15/2009 @ 08:13:09 PM
Sarah Wrote - 02/12/2009 @ 07:21:07 PM I like them both, who cares about batting averages? Ah yes, the kiss of death in an argument about a player's performance: Sarah likes him. Corey Hart will hit .200 this year. Micah Wrote - 02/11/2009 @ 01:40:59 PM Yahoo fantasy baseball has started. Looks like it now supports trading of draft picks, which I deem to be sweet. Strange that the option to trade picks suddenly appears in the fantasy version of the sport that doesn't allow it in real life. Finally, though, all my hard work has paid off. Anyone who wants to buy my fantasy baseball draft pick value conversion chart can have it for the low price of $49.95 plus tax.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 02/15/2009 @ 08:18:14 PM
Ok so I'm thinking we should have a Nutcan bus trip to the Twins Brewers game(s?) at Miller Park June 23-25th. How fun would that be?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 02/15/2009 @ 09:21:13 PM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 08:18:14 PM Ok so I'm thinking we should have a Nutcan bus trip to the Twins Brewers game(s?) at Miller Park June 23-25th. How fun would that be? I'm in for whatever. I need to go to more games this year to help pay for keeping all their arbitration players for another year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1000000 posts (and counting!) 02/15/2009 @ 09:38:37 PM
Alex Wrote - Today @ 09:21:13 PM Sarah Wrote - Today @ 08:18:14 PM Ok so I'm thinking we should have a Nutcan bus trip to the Twins Brewers game(s?) at Miller Park June 23-25th. How fun would that be? I'm in for whatever. I need to go to more games this year to help pay for keeping all their arbitration players for another year. We're all staying at Alex's house! He's in for whatever! Thanks Alex. In between games, I'm gonna fish your pond 'til it's empty.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 02/16/2009 @ 07:26:36 AM
Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:21:13 PM need to go to more games this year to help pay for keeping all their arbitration players for another year. Do your part!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 02/16/2009 @ 01:04:17 PM
Jon Wrote - Yesterday @ 09:38:37 PM We're all staying at Alex's house! He's in for whatever! Thanks Alex. In between games, I'm gonna fish your pond 'til it's empty. There's a couch and a recliner so get your reservations in early.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 02/16/2009 @ 09:50:25 PM
Sarah Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:18:14 PM Ok so I'm thinking we should have a Nutcan bus trip to the Twins Brewers game(s?) at Miller Park June 23-25th. How fun would that be? I'm in for that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - Tag This 02/17/2009 @ 10:17:40 AM
Sarah Wrote - 02/15/2009 @ 08:18:14 PM Ok so I'm thinking we should have a Nutcan bus trip to the Twins Brewers game(s?) at Miller Park June 23-25th. How fun would that be? Can it pick me up on the West Side of the Cities?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto 02/17/2009 @ 11:37:02 AM
If Twins fans want an extended trip you can follow them down to St.Louis after Milwaukee, where you can meet up with me and see a really awesome ballpark. June 26-28.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 02/17/2009 @ 01:16:56 PM
Alex Wrote - 02/10/2009 @ 01:10:09 PM I'm assuming that everyone besides Gallardo is going to be auditioning for rotation position in spring training, with the preferably outcome being that Suppan decides to retire and not collect any more salary. Depth Chart on ESPN currently says Gallardo, Bush, Suppan, McClung, Parra. In all seriousness they're pretty stuck throwing Suppan out there and Bush has been most consistent out of the rest so it'll probably be between Parra and McClung for the last spot to start the year. McClung to start out as 6th man: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090216&content_id=3836472&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_mlb		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 02/17/2009 @ 07:25:20 PM
jthompto Wrote - Today @ 11:37:02 AM If Twins fans want an extended trip you can follow them down to St.Louis after Milwaukee, where you can meet up with me and see a really awesome ballpark. June 26-28. That sounds like fun!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 02/17/2009 @ 08:10:17 PM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 08:25:20 PM jthompto Wrote - Today @ 12:37:02 PM If Twins fans want an extended trip you can follow them down to St.Louis after Milwaukee, where you can meet up with me and see a really awesome ballpark. June 26-28. That sounds like fun! Yeah I may be able to fly in for that weekend as well, assuming I am still on my job in Philly the week before. I will know more in April		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 02/17/2009 @ 08:29:49 PM
Micah Wrote - Today @ 08:10:17 PM Sarah Wrote - Today @ 07:25:20 PM jthompto Wrote - Today @ 11:37:02 AM If Twins fans want an extended trip you can follow them down to St.Louis after Milwaukee, where you can meet up with me and see a really awesome ballpark. June 26-28. That sounds like fun! Yeah I may be able to fly in for that weekend as well, assuming I am still on my job in Philly the week before. I will know more in April What do you do? (if you don't mind me asking)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 02/17/2009 @ 09:13:07 PM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 09:29:49 PM Micah Wrote - Today @ 09:10:17 PM Sarah Wrote - Today @ 08:25:20 PM jthompto Wrote - Today @ 12:37:02 PM If Twins fans want an extended trip you can follow them down to St.Louis after Milwaukee, where you can meet up with me and see a really awesome ballpark. June 26-28. That sounds like fun! Yeah I may be able to fly in for that weekend as well, assuming I am still on my job in Philly the week before. I will know more in April What do you do? (if you don't mind me asking) I'm a health care IT consultant. So I fly from Madison each week (there on Monday morning and back on Thursday night) and work on installing Epic software at a hospital in Philly. But I generally work on 3-6 month contracts so I might be somewhere else come June. And yes, I sometimes say "What exactly would you say you do here?"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Micah edited this at 02/17/2009 9:14:25 pm

	Sarah - So's your face 02/18/2009 @ 07:52:57 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:17:40 AM Sarah Wrote - 02/15/2009 @ 08:18:14 PM Ok so I'm thinking we should have a Nutcan bus trip to the Twins Brewers game(s?) at Miller Park June 23-25th. How fun would that be? Can it pick me up on the West Side of the Cities? Do you not know how to get to Eau Claire anymore?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 02/19/2009 @ 08:49:54 AM
please- I get to Eau Claire on average of 2x a month. It just gets to be a boring drive. I suppose that if Micah were to fly "home" it would be to MPLS, so I would have good company. Plus I think the little Mrs. would want to come too- she digs the beisbol.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 02/19/2009 @ 09:32:02 AM
Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 09:49:54 AM please- I get to Eau Claire on average of 2x a month. It just gets to be a boring drive. I suppose that if Micah were to fly "home" it would be to MPLS, so I would have good company. Plus I think the little Mrs. would want to come too- she digs the beisbol. She's going to be your wife by then. You better check with her to see if you're allowed to go. You might have to spend your baseball ticket money on things from Pottery Barn.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Micah perfected this 2 times, last at 02/19/2009 9:32:45 am

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 02/19/2009 @ 09:48:50 AM
Guys, it's not the off season anymore. Someone should start a Spring Training thread.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - I didn't make that! It fell out of your hair that way! 02/19/2009 @ 10:01:34 AM
Sorry but the Carl + zinger opportunity was located on this thread. I will move to the new one.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - What the F@#$ am I being arrested fo? 02/19/2009 @ 02:19:03 PM
Yeah, but we don't do pottery barn. could be crate and barrel or chef's gallery.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 02/19/2009 @ 07:03:37 PM
Micah Wrote - Today @ 09:32:02 AM Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 08:49:54 AM please- I get to Eau Claire on average of 2x a month. It just gets to be a boring drive. I suppose that if Micah were to fly "home" it would be to MPLS, so I would have good company. Plus I think the little Mrs. would want to come too- she digs the beisbol. She's going to be your wife by then. You better check with her to see if you're allowed to go. You might have to spend your baseball ticket money on things from Pottery Barn. When's the big day?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto 02/20/2009 @ 06:44:48 AM
Carlos44ec Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM Yeah, but we don't do pottery barn. could be crate and barrel or chef's gallery. Sounds like a pretty nice saturday, going to home depot to buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe go to bed, bath and beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 02/20/2009 @ 08:27:33 AM
May 9, 2009 in Stillwater. Weren't you and Jerm married in early May?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 02/20/2009 @ 08:28:40 AM
jthompto Wrote - Today @ 06:44:48 AM Carlos44ec Wrote - Yesterday @ 02:19:03 PM Yeah, but we don't do pottery barn. could be crate and barrel or chef's gallery. Sounds like a pretty nice saturday, going to home depot to buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe go to bed, bath and beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time. That store sucks :-)		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jon - 3375 Posts 02/21/2009 @ 05:05:12 AM
jthompto Wrote - Yesterday @ 06:44:48 AM Carlos44ec Wrote - 02/19/2009 @ 02:19:03 PM Yeah, but we don't do pottery barn. could be crate and barrel or chef's gallery. Sounds like a pretty nice saturday, going to home depot to buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe go to bed, bath and beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time. Kudos Joseph T.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert 02/23/2009 @ 02:28:18 AM
Scott Wrote - 02/16/2009 @ 07:26:36 AM Alex Wrote - 02/15/2009 @ 09:21:13 PM need to go to more games this year to help pay for keeping all their arbitration players for another year. Do your part! http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/39821417.html		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/23/2009 @ 07:15:58 AM
Jon Wrote - Today @ 03:28:18 AM Scott Wrote - 02/16/2009 @ 08:26:36 AM Alex Wrote - 02/15/2009 @ 10:21:13 PM need to go to more games this year to help pay for keeping all their arbitration players for another year. Do your part! http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/39821417.html I can't wait to move back!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 02/23/2009 @ 07:44:39 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/worldclassic2009/news/story?id=3929107 Oh Canada!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3375 Posts 04/12/2009 @ 08:03:48 AM
Sarah Wrote - 02/15/2009 @ 08:18:14 PM Ok so I'm thinking we should have a Nutcan bus trip to the Twins Brewers game(s?) at Miller Park June 23-25th. How fun would that be? OK, new plan. The plan should involve a pre-trip outing to get the coolest giveaway of the season in Cleveland, which happens to be at a game against the Brewers on June 15. All fans at the game get one. I wonder how much they'll go for on eBay. Or how much they would go for if they were limited to 15,000 like at the Metrodome.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Sarah - How do you use these things? 04/12/2009 @ 10:38:42 AM
I think we should road trip to Florida June 9th. http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/schedule/promotions_popup.jsp?c_id=fla&puid=2009_06_09_slnmlb_flomlb_1 Although it would have to be for at least two CPE credits to make it worth it. What is the status of our road trip BTW?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.