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An Eight year old boy stared up excitedly at the wheel before him. His father had just given the Vikings Children's Fund $20 giving his son the right to spin the giant prize wheel. For all the kid knew one of the slots on the wheel would cause jerseys to rain down on him from the heavens. A man with a microphone working the booth asked the excited kid, "So, who's your favorite Viking?" The kid's mood quickly changed, and he sheepishly answered, "I don't know." Going into the draft this was the state of the Minnesota Vikings. Children who pledge their unwaivering loyalty to a team, can't even pick their favorite player.

The franchise was without an identity. The two top selling jerseys are offensive lineman.

Fast forward to draft time. Every year we come to the party all clamoring for a handful of players. Every year Vikings commentator Mike Morris pulls a name out of no where as the person the Vikings have number one on their board. Every year Mike Morris is right. This year he told us that even if the Vikings were sitting with Brady Quinn, Adrian Peterson, and LaRon Landry on the board the Vikings would select Leon Hall. (who later went 18th) They also stated there was no way the Vikings were taking Quinn. That put the crowd in a funk, CB was the last thing we need.

When the Vikings went on the clock the crowd began chanting for Adrian Peterson. The woman from FSN North thought this would be a good time to get a Vikings opinion on the excitement. The Viking she dug up to interview? 3rd string running back Mewelde Moore. The poor guy looked physically ill. He was drug in front of a few thousand people as the annoyingly bubbly woman asked him a battery of questions designed to drag out of him exactly why this rookie should take his job, and potentially his roster spot. It was painfully awkward. It would be like, when the Packers went on the clock, making Aaron Rodgers explain, in excruciating detail, why the Packers should draft Brady Quinn.

In the end the Vikings ended up with the guy we all wanted and, we hope, a little identity.

	Micah - 584 Posts 04/28/2007 @ 07:20:28 PM
Really how many players named Chris Henry does the NFL need?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - Even now in Heaven there are angels carrying savage weapons 04/28/2007 @ 07:21:20 PM
Not only that, there's also a Steve Smith and a Tony Gonzalez...I see some great "OH CRAP" fantasy football draft moments next year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/28/2007 @ 07:32:24 PM
One of my biggest pet peeves with the NFL Draft is how eager teams are to throw out 2-4 years of college football and change their opinions on players so drastically based on one weekend of tests. When the draft talks first started up Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarrett were in the same breath. A few months of over analysis later Calvin Johnson is a "can't miss/you have to take" guy and Jarrett is a high/mid 2nd rounder. (Whom the Vikings passed on to take another WR one pick before he went.)		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/28/2007 @ 09:38:09 PM
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	Jeremy - Pie Racist 04/29/2007 @ 10:19:29 AM
Randy Moss is a Patriot. Thank God!		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 04/29/2007 @ 11:21:57 AM
We need better mgmt.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 04/29/2007 @ 12:41:35 PM
Ahh, we're better off without him.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 04/29/2007 @ 02:58:04 PM
I'm still giving the benefit of the doubt to Ted Thompson. Afterall, he did build the Seattle team that eventually went to the Super Bowl.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 04/29/2007 @ 04:01:51 PM
Didn't he trade away Ahman Green when he was there? Plus they didn't win the Super Bowl, plus he had left by then. 0 nut for Ted Thompson.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 04/29/2007 @ 06:41:25 PM
but by the time he left, all the pieces were basically in place. Thompson also had a hand in drafting that Shaun Alexander. I think that's worked out pretty well for them. Edit: Ahman Green was traded the year before Thompson became the GM for Seattle. Holmgren didn't want Green because of his fumbling problem. So, Sarah, your previous point is refuted.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
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	Bob (Guest) 04/30/2007 @ 11:13:35 AM
Did the attendance number of the draft party come out?If so,what was it?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/30/2007 @ 11:26:14 AM
They were giving out prizes and the Ticket numbers went up to 3500 or so, not that that necessarily means anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jon - 3375 Posts 04/30/2007 @ 10:16:59 PM
I expected this page to be filled with randy moss discussion. I guess we vikings fans are still in shock that we ever traded him in the first place and the packer fans are trying to switch back to "I hate randy moss and would never cheer for a terrible person like that" mode. Here's what I think. How does this happen? I get that there are a bunch of factors, and that moss has had two down years, and salary concerns, and he wanted to go to a decent team, but what!? A fourth round pick? Did no one offer a third rounder for him? No one wanted an athletic freak, who at his very least is a huge red zone threat, even enough to give up a better pick or pay a little more for him? Again, I get that it may not be that simple, but the distance between his value and what they gave for him is ridiculous. I heard someone say that he isn't fast anymore and so that makes him nothing special anymore, and I sort of bought into that, but then the latest news is that he recently ran a 4.29 and something like a 4.32 in the 40. So that's out the window, and even if he is slow, his td catching ability alone would be worth a fourth rounder and then some. The patriots almost got to the Super Bowl last year by spending roughly 10 dollars on the entire roster. Even before the trade for Moss they had put together a tremendous free agency group and they were positioned as the early favorites. They received a first round pick for giving up Deion Branch. Then they spend a fourth rounder and get Randy Moss! And they're only gonna pay him about half of what his contract is for this next year. They are spending virtually nothing. So the patriots are now securely the team to beat, on paper as they say. And I start to think how they could possibly not succeed this upcoming year. Then I wondered about Tom Brady getting hurt. I mean, I'm not cheering for it to happen, but wouldn't it be interesting to see what happened? Here's what I think would happen. They cruise along with Brady for a few weeks, he goes out for the remainder of the year. Matt Cassel comes in and does just ok and the team ends up around 10-6 and actually still gets to the AFC Championship but loses. Then after the game, Randy Moss speaks truthfully but says something that isn't within the normal guidelines of cliched athletic talk and sportscenter and talk radio and everyone else goes absolutely nuts and despite having a great season, no one will be able to say anything about moss except that he is a punk. Why did we ever trade Randy? And why couldn't we get him back?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 05/01/2007 @ 07:43:39 AM
I heard a rumor that Moss was willing to restructure his contract with the Patriots but he wasn't willing to do so with the Packers. Maybe he liked his chances better with the Pats.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 05/01/2007 @ 07:56:54 AM
I don't think that's a rumor.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 05/01/2007 @ 11:57:15 AM
Oh, it's legit? 2 legit 2 quit? I think the Packers would have benefitted from having Moss, but I can't say I'm overly broken up about it. The Packers have been burned by high priced players in the past. (Sure they've also benefitted from some high priced players like Reggie White, but lets face it, Randy Moss does have a bit of baggage)		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 05/01/2007 @ 12:15:16 PM
Maybe it's still me wearing the purple tinted glasses, but a lot of his "baggage" is really overblown. Everyone talks about how he's a terrible teammate, but not because they ask his teammates, just because they assume he would be, and since everyone else assumes the same thing no one calls them out on it. Almost every teammate has said that he's the consummate team player. When Raiders receiver Doug Gabriel was traded to the Patriots he made it his mission to convince the Pats to also try to get Moss. He said everything you've ever heard was wrong and that he's a great teammate, mentor, ect. The only teammate I've ever heard that implied anything bad about him was Matt Birk. Since Birk is white and went to Harvard, everyone took it as the bible truth and assumed he was speaking for everyone. Maybe it was just Birk that had a problem with him. Edit: I mean seriously think about how many times you've heard he is a bad teammate, has it EVER had a "so and so says" attached to it? Has it ever attributed to a teammate? Is a source EVER cited, or even hinted at?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
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	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 05/01/2007 @ 03:27:08 PM
Jon Wrote - 04/30/2007 @ 10:16:59 PM Here's what I think would happen. They cruise along with Brady for a few weeks, he goes out for the remainder of the year. Matt Cassel comes in and does just ok and the team ends up around 10-6 and actually still gets to the AFC Championship but loses. Then after the game, Randy Moss speaks truthfully but says something that isn't within the normal guidelines of cliched athletic talk and sportscenter and talk radio and everyone else goes absolutely nuts and despite having a great season, no one will be able to say anything about moss except that he is a punk. I agree. It would be something completely innocent and generic like "Well, Matt [Cassel] played hard. We just didn't do enough as a team to win." and the debate would rage about how Randy either a) "Just came right out and said" he could have played harder. or b) "Said in an interview" he thinks Cassel should be the starter over Brady next season Edit: Or I guess you said it "wouldn't" be cliched athletic talk. But either way really, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
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	Alex - Who controls the past now controls the future 05/01/2007 @ 06:56:40 PM
I think the page would be filled with more discussion if Moss had been at all relevant at any point in the last 2 years. You can argue whether or not it was his fault that he stunk it up as much as any other Raiders receiver, but in the end he was still irrelevant. Irrelevant in fantasy football, in the playoffs, in pro bowl voting, in pretty much everything. I think it's a good move for the Patriots because they seem to be a more established, veteran team. With a few notable exceptions the Packers are a growing, young team both in terms of players and coaches/system. So I don't think it made as much sense for the Packers. As far as the 4th round pick aspect, either Al Davis really has lost his marbles or there is some sort of Tom Brady centered conspiracy going on here.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 05/01/2007 @ 07:41:18 PM
Now, Keyshawn is a guy that Thompson should be on the phone with right now. Solid veteran, consistent production, can take over Bubba's looks inside the red zone. He could be the second coming of Andre Rison.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 05/01/2007 @ 08:14:51 PM
I concur, the Packers need to get out there and get some veteran offensive players to help out Driver and Favre. Beg my pardon if I've forgotten anyone. (Bubba and Ferguson no longer count)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 05/01/2007 @ 09:23:13 PM
No longer? When did Ferguson ever count for anything?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 05/01/2007 @ 09:51:41 PM
He stopped counting when the Packers picked him over Chris Chambers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 05/02/2007 @ 08:29:31 AM
Rob Demovsky, of the Green Bay Press Gazette, reports Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson was willing to give up a fifth-round pick for New England Patriots WR Randy Moss, but not a fourth-round pick like the Patriots traded.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 05/02/2007 @ 09:25:34 AM
photos or it didn't happen. I see this on digg a lot.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 05/04/2007 @ 07:26:15 AM
Is this the next best thing?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 05/04/2007 @ 08:29:53 AM
Keyshawn has less baggage than Randy Moss? This author is a comedy writer, correct?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 05/04/2007 @ 08:51:18 AM
yeah, I don't think Moss ever got suspended indefinitely by his own coach.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 05/04/2007 @ 01:06:09 PM
I think it's fair to say that Keyshawn is lesslikely to cause issues on a new team at this point in time. I'm not saying that I expect Moss to have issues either, but you have to admit the odds are probably a little bit higher. Actual baggage wise, Keyshawn has more team-related baggage, Moss has more individual-related baggage, so take your pick. Edit: Yes, less likely. Stupid irregular comparative adjectives.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Sarah - So's your face 05/04/2007 @ 04:06:47 PM
less likely?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 05/04/2007 @ 04:26:47 PM
I could not fail to disagree with you less, Alex.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - "Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else." 05/04/2007 @ 04:34:02 PM
Let's just make them work real jobs for a few months and see what their reaction is.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 05/13/2007 @ 10:53:46 AM
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070512/PKR01/70512050/1989 I just don't understand Ted Thompson, his obsession with draft picks, and his inability to spend a little bit of money. We're way under the cap this year, and Brett was even willing to restructure his deal.... heaven forbid we try an offensive weapon out from another team. No no, gotta try and homegrow them just to see them flop. At least Favre's not stupid and knows that Thompson is trying to push him out.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 05/14/2007 @ 01:33:20 PM
First off, you and Brett are both assuming that Moss is still good. A fair bet to be sure, but not backed up by much evidence in the last 2 years. Secondly, you have a lot better chance of building and even more so of maintaining a winning team through the draft than through free agency. Just ask the Redskins. Thirdly, if Thompson was really trying to get rid of Favre and Favre did indeed ask for a trade (whether he really meant it or not), then why wouldn't Thompson have traded him?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 05/14/2007 @ 01:40:54 PM
1) We can all agree the last 2 years never happened. He can't catch was isn't thrown to him. 2) Sure, but it's a moot point since you're talking about one guy. (Not forgetting that the Packers have to give someone money just to meet the minimum cap.) 3) Because the team official who finally pulls the plug on the Brett Favre Era is committing career suicide.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 05/14/2007 @ 01:48:50 PM
1) I concede 2) Not completely a moot point, plus it is a direct response to the prosecutor's opening statement regardless of whether it applies to the incident in question. 3) Undoubtedly true, even being a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10 of unpopularity. But signing Moss was also going to be largely unpopular, probably somewhere in the 7-9 range. Certainly if it didn't work out, heads would roll.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 05/14/2007 @ 01:56:27 PM
1) Good 2) I concede 3) But there are just as many, if not more, "we have to give Favre everything he could possibly desire" and "look at how unhappy you made Brett" people (Sarah included) as there we're people who didn't want Moss. I have to imagine even a few of the "we don't want him" people were swayed by just how badly Favre turned out to have wanted him. Moss certainly has more upside then the average 4 round pick. Also, even though he's not as young, he probably has as many years left in the league as the average career length of a fourth round pick.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 05/14/2007 @ 04:19:11 PM
Did you know Tom Brady was selected in the 6th round?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 05/14/2007 @ 04:26:26 PM
I would be willing to bet both of these statements are true: A majority of the above average players in the NFL are drafted from the third round on. A majority of the players in the NFL drafted from the third round on are complete busts.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 05/16/2007 @ 12:23:49 PM
Chris Mortensen, or Jemele Hill? It's pretty clear which of these writers has a clue about the subject, not to ~~much~~ mention credibility. edit: I meant "mention" instead of "much".		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Alex - 3619 Posts 05/16/2007 @ 12:56:56 PM
Um...I think they both make good points.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 05/16/2007 @ 01:03:35 PM
Alex Wrote - 05/14/2007 @ 01:33:20 PM Secondly, you have a lot better chance of building and even more so of maintaining a winning team through the draft than through free agency. Just ask the Redskins. As Chris Mortensen pointed out in the article posted above, Ron Wolf built the team both by using the draft and through free agency. Morty says Favre's displeasure isn't necessarily directed at the Moss deal, but that there has been a seemingly lack of attempt to go after any big name free agents. LaVar Arrington was a possibility last year, and Favre even called him up personally to try and convince him to come. Arrington finally chose the Giants for other reasons in addition to the money, but it was just another situation where the team could have pursued the situation harder. I don't hold any of this against Favre, nor would I hold something like this against any player who has given his all for a team. For Jemele Hill to compare Favre to Pacman Jones and Terrel Owens is disgusting. If Peyton Manning were to do the same thing as Favre, I wouldn't hold it against him, same would go for a number of players. It's not that these players are "owed" anything, but they have most certainly earned the right to express their opinions and for those opinions to be taken differently than if they were to come from a different player. Terrel Owens has earned 0 credibility. Pacman Jones and earned 0 credibility. Trent Green probably has some credibility. But guys like Manning, Favre, Brady, McNair, McNabb (maybe), and others have done enough for the game and to the teams that they play for to speak their mind. They are not beyond reproach, but they are due more respect than the TO's and Pacman Jones' of the world.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 05/16/2007 @ 01:35:21 PM
I really don't think he compared Jones to Favre. The second guy does have some good points. Favre's declining play, his will I/won't I annual retirement dance, his undermining any teammate in a contract standoff, his public complaining about the team, his skipping of minicamp, the trade, etc. It's all more than enough to cash in any credibility he should have, assuming you believe certain guys should have a more of a say than others to begin with. The second article is about how some guys can get away with murder while others are vilified for the exact same things. What does it say to Favre's current receiving crew that he requested a trade off a team he's been the face of since most of us cared about football, because they couldn't get Moss? You don't see anyone talking about that aspect. I can guarantee, however, that at some point Moss will be asked a question along the lines of "Would you have liked to play with Brett Favre?" and he'll give some innocent canned answer like "Who wouldn't want to play with a legend like Favre?" and that will be turned into headlines along the lines of "Moss not confident in Tom Brady," "Moss would prefer to be a Packer," etc. Do you really think Brett is the only person on the Packers' roster that knows someone who's graduating? Hell, there might be players expected to be there who are themselves graduating. For someone who complains about being the guy on the outside looking in he sure seems to be going out of his way to be on the outside. ps Don't let Sarah read Mort's article. The idea of Favre as a Cowboy might send her into shock.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 05/16/2007 @ 01:59:10 PM
Favre also is coming off ankle surgery, so the idea that of him missing the minicamp is basically a non-issue. Whether or not Favre asked to be traded is one thing. The fact that the Packers put almost no effort AGAIN in landing a pretty solid free agent would be enough reason for any veteran of 15 years who is supposed to be the leader of the team to wonder if the team even wants him there or not. That's a legitimate gripe. And seeing that even aside from Moss, that Packers did absolutely nothing to improve the offense (in fact, their offense probably went about 3 steps back from last year), I can understand the frustration. The trade comment was probably a mistake, but the frustration is legit. Favre will just have to break the touchdown record, break the passing yards record, (and probably break the int record), and then retire as one of (if not THE) best, and most beloved, football players of all time. (notice how I didn't just limit it the QB). I have spoken. Side note: Cy Young (who has an award for best pitcher named after him) has the most career losses in major league history.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 05/16/2007 @ 02:15:17 PM
It's not that he should/shouldn't/does/doesn't have a valid gripe. It's that when he gripes it's "him being a leader" while with other guys it's them "being a cancer to their team". The minicamp thing isn't an issue, other than the fact that the team said he has to be there and he's saying no. If Owens did that it would be a worldwide scandal.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 05/16/2007 @ 07:11:13 PM
Favre will report to mini-camp? Interesting...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 05/16/2007 @ 07:42:49 PM
Why would signing Lavar Arrington have been a good thing? The fact that they have cap room doesn't mean they should go out and blow it just because the money's burning a hole in their pocket. I completely disagree about the 3 steps back thing. At worst, they've stayed even. The very young offensive line now has another year of experience which is HUGE. Sure Green is gone, but he's on the decline. Although if you really want to get on Thompson about not making an agressive move, they could've used an upgrade at RB way more than at WR. Or at TE for that matter. Anyway, I forget what my point was. I think it was going to be that Favre can say anything he wants and get away with it and it's annoying sometimes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 05/16/2007 @ 07:49:47 PM
Spend Spend Spend I mean we've got like what? 20 million under the cap? We can't save that up for future years. Once it's gone it's gone. I mean giddy up.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 05/16/2007 @ 08:05:29 PM
BTW Packer Family Fun Night is August 4th wii!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 05/17/2007 @ 05:28:04 AM
Interesting part of this discussion: Jeremy Wrote - 05/16/2007 @ 01:35:21 PM ...The second guy does have some good points. Just wondering, Jeremy, should Ms. Hill consider that a backhanded compliment? Moving on, Alex Wrote - 05/16/2007 @ 12:56:56 PM Um...I think they both make good points. I agree. Also, I know I'm a little late on this, but on the issue of the Packers owing Favre anything: Is that including the record amount of money they've paid him? Or do we pretend that never happened? OK, so that's kind of a cheap remark (and kind of not), and I know Scott already said it's not really about being "owed" anything, but I feel like bringing it up anyway. Somewhat to make a point and somewhat to just poke at the Favre fans.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Jon - 1000000 posts (and counting!) 05/17/2007 @ 05:53:51 AM
After skimming it again, I see Jemele Hill's article did address Favre's contract, though in kind of a different way. But yeah, it probably does make my little witty remark less witty.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 05/17/2007 @ 09:00:13 AM
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/brett_favre_demands_trade_to_1996?utm_source=onion_rss_daily Brett Favre Demands Trade To 1996 Packers		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
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	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 05/29/2007 @ 03:32:09 PM
Since this has become the dumping ground of anything related to the 2007 NFL Season: Tom Pelissero, of the Green Bay Press Gazette, reports the Green Bay Packers may release WR Robert Ferguson and/or SS Marquand Manuel by Sept. 1. Updating a previous report, Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports Green Bay Packers TE Bubba Franks is fighting for a roster spot, let alone the starting tight end position.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 05/29/2007 @ 03:51:07 PM
And this just in: Tom Pelissero, of the Green Bay Press Gazette, reports the Green Bay Packers may release DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila by Sept. 1.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - You had me at "Hello" 05/29/2007 @ 04:32:06 PM
yeah, well, if you want another rebuilding year, just ditch any and all would-be talent and start with rookies fresh outta UW-LaCrosse.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 05/29/2007 @ 04:44:04 PM
Yeah, I don't get it either. Especially from a team well under the minimum salary 'cap'.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Refactor Mercilessly 05/29/2007 @ 07:17:57 PM
Ferguson I can see, because he's never done anything and they'd be better off giving playing time to their young guys who still have a chance to make something of themselves. Those other names seem a little more debatable, but all those guys did mostly stink up the joint last year. And by sept 1st they must be down to 53 man roster right?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 01/08/2009 @ 12:44:11 PM
Jon Wrote - 04/30/2007 @ 10:16:59 PM So the patriots are now securely the team to beat, on paper as they say. And I start to think how they could possibly not succeed this upcoming year. Then I wondered about Tom Brady getting hurt. I mean, I'm not cheering for it to happen, but wouldn't it be interesting to see what happened? Here's what I think would happen. They cruise along with Brady for a few weeks, he goes out for the remainder of the year. Matt Cassel comes in and does just ok and the team ends up around 10-6 and actually still gets to the AFC Championship but loses. Then after the game, Randy Moss speaks truthfully but says something that isn't within the normal guidelines of cliched athletic talk and sportscenter and talk radio and everyone else goes absolutely nuts and despite having a great season, no one will be able to say anything about moss except that he is a punk. Why did we ever trade Randy? And why couldn't we get him back? I know this was one year off, but still, interesting.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 01/08/2009 @ 02:25:19 PM
Except it's way way off. Randy Moss hardly existed this year. I guess he isn't any fun when he is acting like the rest of 'em. He probably had a good year, I just never heard his name this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 01/08/2009 @ 03:14:09 PM
Jon surmised they would be unstoppable with Randy Moss, which they were, unless Brady got hurt, which he did (the next year), then proceeded to pick their Bradyless-final-record within 1 game. I wouldn't say that was "way off." Plus Randy did have a record setting season the year he was actually talking about. Besides that, I never said Jon should start a psychic hotline, I just said it was interesting, since a lot of those stories came to pass.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Scott - 6225 Posts 01/08/2009 @ 05:00:02 PM
No, I was only kidding. The WAY OFF thing was supposed to be sarcasm.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 01/08/2009 @ 05:31:52 PM
I didn't see the dual "way way," perhaps that would have tipped me off a bit, though I think the internet needs a sarcasm tag.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3375 Posts 01/08/2009 @ 11:51:07 PM
Hey, I don't even need to post anymore. My old stuff stands the test of time! It's weird though that they actually finished a game better than that and didn't even make the playoffs. And the way things are, they probably could have made it to the Championship game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 01/09/2009 @ 07:23:17 AM
The weird thing is that I didn't even know who the Patriots backup was until Brady went down. edit: I thought Bledsoe was still their guy.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
Scott edited this at 01/09/2009 8:36:40 am

	Alex - 3619 Posts 01/09/2009 @ 01:16:00 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 07:23:17 AM edit: I thought Bledsoe was still their guy. Please tell me that's supposed to be sarcasm again		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 01/09/2009 @ 02:03:26 PM
Ha, no kidding. It hasn't been Bledsoe since like 2001. Don't you remember Flutie and his drop kick?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 01/09/2009 @ 04:00:02 PM
Yes, that was more sarcasm.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.