Justin Morneau - Official AL MVP Press Release

11/21/2006 3:19 pm
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Justin Morneau - Official AL MVP Press Release

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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!?
11/21/2006 @ 04:16:14 PM
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Oh, and suck it Jeter!emoticonemoticonemoticonemoticon
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
11/21/2006 @ 04:28:21 PM
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Most of the statheads agree that it should have been either Jeter or Mauer, and I think they are probably right. While I'm glad for Morneau, and glad that Jeter didn't get it, I would have voted for Mauer if I had a vote.

Morneau had a good year, but other people put up better offensive numbers this year, and being only a first baseman, his defense doesn't count for too much. Besides finishing 2nd in RBI, the only real reason to give him the MVP is that he got real hot exactly when the Twins needed him to and came up with some big hits during their stretch of absolute dominance in June and July.

While I give this more weight than others may, I still don't think its enough to give Morneau the MVP over Mauer, who led the league in batting average, had a high OBP, and a higher OPS than either Morneau or Jeter, all the while playing above average (maybe even great) defense at perhaps the most important defensive position there is.

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Matt messed with this at 11/21/2006 4:30:08 pm
fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/21/2006 @ 04:47:30 PM
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The fact that you can make a case for 3 Twins is pretty impressive.

Someone on Fark brought up some "replaceability" stat that essentially said that while Morneau had a good year, compared to other 1st basemen it wasn't as great as comparing Mauer's season to his fellow catchers.

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matt.jpgMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
11/21/2006 @ 05:02:27 PM
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It might have been VORP (value over replacement player), I don't know much about how it works other than the higher, the better.

By the way, my VORW (value over replacement writer) for the Nutcan is off the charts high. emoticon
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/21/2006 @ 05:08:10 PM
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Shouldn't that be VORL? emoticon
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thumbnailCAW1I0O3.gifMatt - 3355 Posts
11/21/2006 @ 05:11:42 PM
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In the biz, it's known under either name.
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scott.jpgScott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue.
11/21/2006 @ 05:24:48 PM
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who is the third Twin in this equation?
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matt.jpgMatt - Nutcan.com's MBL
11/21/2006 @ 05:26:57 PM
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Your 2006 AL Cy Young Award winner Johan Santana.
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
11/21/2006 @ 05:34:41 PM
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ba duh - and you call urself a baseball fan. I am really happy that the Twins won all the accolades, if only they had won the world series.emoticon / emoticon
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scott.jpgScott - On your mark...get set...Terrible!
11/21/2006 @ 06:23:45 PM
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Does a pitcher count as an MVP candidate? Unless a pitcher sets some records, they shouldn't qualify for this award. That's my opinion.

What's sad is that despite all that talent, the Twins went yet another year with a rather poor showing in the playoffs. When are they going to win more than 1 game in a playoff series?
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jon.jpgJon - infinity + 1 posts
11/21/2006 @ 07:46:52 PM
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Yeah when I first heard the news from Matt, I was surprised that Jeter didn't get it, but I knew Morneau was probably the next guy in line. Then I thought about how Mauer really deserved it and then I thought that actually, Morneau winning the award was a pretty good accomplishment for him, seeing as he was probably the third best player on his team for the year. I would have given the award to Mauer. And I usually don't like the "pitcher for MVP" view of things, but I was alerted to this stat near the end of the season by Buster Olney (from his September 9 blog entry):

"Johan Santana has made 30 starts this year, and in those games, the Twins are 25-5. He's 17-5 himself, and Minnesota has won every game in which Santana got a no-decision; if he hasn't won, he's given them a chance to win.


Let's review. When Santana starts, the Twins are 20 games over .500. When anybody else starts, they are 56-54, basically a .500 team.


When Santana starts, the Twins are as unbeatable as the '27 Yankees. When anybody else starts, they are a non-playoff team."



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So I probably would have voted for Santana over Morneau also. Of course I feel kind of bad talking about this, because I really like Morneau. Two years ago he put together a half season that was MVP caliber. We all hoped he would break out the next year with a full season just like it but instead he was pretty bad. But it was amazing to see him put it all together. Anyway, Congratulations to Justin Morneau. Even if he's maybe not the MVP of his own house!
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jon.jpgJon - many posts
11/21/2006 @ 07:51:50 PM
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Oh and Scott, they have won more than one game in the past. In fact, they won a series in 2002. And two World Series before that if you wanna go back further.
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - Even now in Heaven there are angels carrying savage weapons
11/21/2006 @ 08:15:36 PM
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Also, this makes it even more awesome that Jeremy dropped him early in the fantasy season.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - No one's gay for Moleman
11/21/2006 @ 08:44:14 PM
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He was turrrible in the beginning of the season.
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scott.jpgScott - Resident Tech Support
11/21/2006 @ 09:39:05 PM
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I know about the Twins World Series victories, but their recent playoff appearances haven't been very impressive. And I forgot about the series that they won in 2002.
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2887.gifAlex - 3618 Posts
11/21/2006 @ 10:12:09 PM
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Um...why do they wait so long for these awards? I don't give a rip about the 2006 season anymore.

I think I dropped Morn at one point as well. His average sucked.

Mauer should've been MVP.
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jon.jpgJon - 1 bajillion posts
11/21/2006 @ 10:26:36 PM
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Sometimes I love to step in the Page 3/Nutcan way back machine.

I stumbled across this discussion which is both relevant suddenly and has all the classic elements.

First of all, all the regulars commented, plus two non-regulars.

Second, Scott almost immediately relates the discussion to the Brewers somehow.

Third, there are multiple instances of people talking about completely unrelated issues, including at least one non-sequitor if I'm using that term correctly.

The only real thing it's missing is Matt declaring that something sucks. Of course, I wouldn't say we're really MISSING it Bob.

Enjoy.
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Jon edited this 3 times, last at 11/21/2006 10:35:12 pm
jon.jpgJon - infinity + 1 posts
11/21/2006 @ 10:36:43 PM
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sorry for those of you who tried it before the link was actually working. the computer messed up on me the first time so I was copy and pasting in the post so maybe thta'ts where it happened. Also, I'm dumb.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children.
11/21/2006 @ 10:40:44 PM
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By the way, it flew under the radar but we need to give Sarah a -2 (Improper Use Of An Emoticon) penalty.

She used the laughing so hard I'm crying emoticon rather than one of th 349 sad ones. The nerve.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/21/2006 @ 10:41:30 PM
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Happy:emoticon

Sad:emoticonemoticon
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2887.gifAlex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel
11/21/2006 @ 10:49:12 PM
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I believe you're going to have to recant that. The way I read it was the emoticon was for Twins winning accolades followed by the "/" followed by the emoticon for not winning the world series.

Gets it: emoticon
Doesn't get it: emoticon
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - I hate our freedoms
11/21/2006 @ 10:51:13 PM
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Well you're wrong. emoticon
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newalex.jpgAlex - Who controls the past now controls the future
11/21/2006 @ 10:52:21 PM
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Unless it was supposed to be tears of joy divided by smashing head into brick wall which of course equals um...emoticon
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matt.jpgMatt - 3355 Posts
11/21/2006 @ 11:10:41 PM
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emoticon Waluigi
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reign_of_fire.jpgMicah - They just want the damn ash of that field
11/22/2006 @ 09:25:52 AM
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Nice archive article...I had 4 comments, only one of which even remotely related to the coversation at hand.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
11/22/2006 @ 02:57:03 PM
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Clarification: Alex is correct in what I was thinking. Jeremy was wrong. Which is kind of backwards.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8953 Posts
11/22/2006 @ 03:03:36 PM
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By "Jeremy is wrong" she means last night went something like this:

*Jeremy makes post correcting Sarah* emoticon
*Alex makes post indicating he saw it differently* emoticon
Jeremy: "Hey Sarah, Did you put the tears emoticon because you were sad about the Twins losing" emoticon
Sarah: Yes emoticon
*Jeremy makes post indicating Alex is wrong* emoticon

Cut to 12 hours later:

Sarah: "Alex was right, that's what I meant" emoticon
Jeremy: "I asked you last night, you said it was a sad face" emoticon
Sarah: "I was asleep" emoticon
Jeremy: emoticon

The moral of the story is "Jeremy == wrong" in any situation. emoticon
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Jeremy screwed with this at 11/22/2006 3:20:17 pm
jeremy.jpgJeremy - I hate our freedoms
11/22/2006 @ 03:21:39 PM
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I thought emoting that story was appropriate so I added them after the fact.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4091 Posts
11/22/2006 @ 04:37:33 PM
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lame
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - Pie Racist
11/22/2006 @ 04:48:30 PM
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emoticon
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jon.jpgJon - infinity + 1 posts
11/23/2006 @ 11:37:42 AM
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Is that you kissing Alex?
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i
11/23/2006 @ 11:18:48 PM
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Why? Jealous? emoticon
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