Twins vs. Brewers

06/30/2006 7:34 pm
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Any comments on the games? Post'em here. I always like it when they say Radke is from Eau Claire. It makes me giddy. :) Go Twins!
scott.jpgScott - On your mark...get set...Terrible!
07/01/2006 @ 03:38:57 PM
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The twins seem to have the Brewers number so far this year. But the Brewers are sending a guy on pace for 20 wins to the mound tonight.
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
07/01/2006 @ 11:05:44 PM
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Yea, he had an excellent game. But, the other "all star" played even better. Man, what an awesome 8th inning.
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2887.gificbeast - 3618 Posts
07/02/2006 @ 09:45:42 AM
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Turnbow should never come in in that situation. EVER EVER EVER. I don't care if it worked against the Cubs a few days ago because they're no good anyway. EVER.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?"
07/02/2006 @ 11:06:15 AM
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Scott is lord of the jinx.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
07/02/2006 @ 02:28:58 PM
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just out of curiosity, but do the resident Twins fans at this site like the Twins TV announcers? I'm watching the game on MLBTV (yeah, it's weird that I get this game), and it is the Twins broadcast. Anyway, all the two guys can talk about is how Lairiano is gonna be a hall of famer and that he is a show-in for the all-star game (despite only making 9 starts as of this game) and every close call is either rediculous if it is against the Twins and a no-brainer if it is in the Twins favor. Now there is a possibility that every team's tv announcers are like this and I just don't notice it because I've tuned it out, but I'm curious as to what other Twins fans think about this.

Comeback time.

My picks for Brewer All-Stars: Carlos Lee(and home run derby contestant), Derrik Turnbow, and Chris Cappuano(Cappy is more of a long shot, but he's in the top 10 in almost every pitching category in baseball.
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scott.jpgScott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue.
07/02/2006 @ 02:35:01 PM
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inspite of all that, Lariano is pretty good.
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sarah.jpgSarah - So's your face
07/02/2006 @ 02:48:48 PM
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Jon says u're a moron. Jeremy says that's how all announcers are, u just don't notice it when you agree. Why not listen to the Brewers?
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - How do you use these things?
07/02/2006 @ 02:49:51 PM
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If you feel like it, feel free to come over if you want to watch the game on regular tv with brewers announcers. :)
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scott.jpgScott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it.
07/02/2006 @ 03:30:18 PM
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The thing is though, I haven't noticed it quite as much with the cubs or braves announcers. But I also know that Jon isn't a huge fan of Bert anyway. But I still won't defend the moron comment:).
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jon.jpgJon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert
07/07/2006 @ 12:07:46 PM
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Scott said "But I also know that Jon isn't a huge fan of Bert anyway"

Actually I'd like to set the record straight, I like Bert Blyleven. I don't know where Scott came up with that idea.
However, if you're talking about Evil Bert, I'm not a fan.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - I hate our freedoms
07/07/2006 @ 01:36:27 PM
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
07/07/2006 @ 04:29:40 PM
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We were sitting in my room with Dylan one night watching the Twins and I thought you made some comment about not being a big fan. Call me Bill O'Reilly, but I don't need documented evidence in order to be right about something. Anyway, I was watching the Brewers play the Reds on MLB TV with the Reds announcers, and they were much more pleasant to listen to. Now this isn't a Vikings-Packers type of thing, because I would probably call the Twins my second favorite team (by that's kind of like refering to one of your own children as your second favorite...it's only the Brewers for me). I just am not a big fan of the Twins announcers, and I don't think I ever have been. Brewers have won 4 straight and are 2.5 games out of first and 1.5 games out of the wild card. The excitement before the inevitable defeat begins to mount.
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2887.gificbeast - 3618 Posts
07/07/2006 @ 07:25:12 PM
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I can only assume you are referring to the inevitable defeat next June when the Brewers 100 game winning streak comes to an end in the second game of a double-header in which the starters rest and they call up some AA pitcher to make his first ever start.

The Brewers announcers are quite enjoyable, plus they have a great radio broadcasting team too.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4132 Posts
05/22/2009 @ 06:58:50 PM
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Let the games begin!
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style."
05/23/2009 @ 11:18:38 PM
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game one, win- saw new pitcher shine.

game two, win- saw new pitcher ROCK!
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sarah.jpgSarah - How do you use these things?
05/24/2009 @ 03:03:05 PM
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We'll be heading up to the game pretty soon, look for us along the 3rd baseline, 20 rows up!
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4132 Posts
05/25/2009 @ 12:54:49 AM
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Update: Game was awesome. Saw a grand slam, saw a guy get walked out by security because he jumped onto the field, saw Mauer hit another homerun, egged Gardy on to get ejected, and almost saw a complete game, good times!!
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
05/26/2009 @ 06:45:19 AM
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The Twins probably would have won this argument too.

I've never seen a manager win an argument, and honestly, I thought it was a pretty lame argument to win. Just because the ball may have hit Mauer in the hand doesn't mean that the ball didn't also hit the knob of the bat. And it's just as possible the ball hit the knob first and then his wrist. That's what I saw and that's what the ump saw. It is a very bad precedent to start changing calls when managers come out to argue. It seemed that the ump flat-out caved; the argument when on for a good 60 seconds of pretty heated back and forth and finally, the ump suddenly said "ok your right!" That doesn't smell right.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style."
05/26/2009 @ 08:19:39 AM
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It's bad juju to change calls, I agree.

What I'm concerned about is the concept of bringing in replays to baseball (like football has it now, where the ref can check it out on the ground). I couldn't see jack squat from the standard camera image; the ball just travels too fast and all you really see is a blurr ending in a ball-shaped smudge. It comes down to instinct, and this ump's first instinct was incorrect, but he should have stood his ground.

Glad he didn't though :)
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - ...and Bob's your Uncle!
05/26/2009 @ 08:23:01 AM
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Scott Wrote - 07/02/2006 @ 02:35:01 PM
inspite of all that, Lariano is pretty good.


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jeremy.jpgJeremy - No one's gay for Moleman
05/26/2009 @ 09:47:19 AM
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A lot of the argument between Gardy and the Ump was about the argument. If you read his lips the Ump was pissed Gardy took his hat off and told him to put it back on. (Is that a thing or something?) Gardy goes out with the intention of getting tossed, it's not necessarily true that it took all that time to "convince" the Ump, he could have decided early on he was wrong (which he was), then had to deal with Gardy.

Maybe if Macha didn't approach the umpire like a lost, timid, old man asking for directions he'd win an argument or two.

As he told reporters Sunday night, Macha was not as upset about the call as how the call was handled.

"You see that a lot. A guy says, 'I got hit by that pitch,' and the ump says, 'Take your glove off, let me look at it,'" Macha said. "They take a look, see a mark and send the guy to first base. That happens a lot.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich
05/26/2009 @ 09:53:40 AM
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Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 09:47:19 AM
Maybe if Macha didn't approach the umpire like a lost, timid, old man asking for directions he'd win an argument or two.


my thoughts exactly
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scott.jpgScott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone!
05/26/2009 @ 11:04:50 AM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 10:53:40 AM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:47:19 AM
Maybe if Macha didn't approach the umpire like a lost, timid, old man asking for directions he'd win an argument or two.
my thoughts exactly


Macha was probably more baffled that the called got reversed than anything. He was probably speechless. Still, the ball could have hit the bat and THEN hit Mauer's wrist. Since that's what the ump originally called, that's how it should have stood. Wthout the call getting reversed, the Brewers lefty specialist (holding lefties to an .080 BA) would have struck Mauer out, and the Brewers would have taken that momentum and mashed out 6 runs the next inning. Game over.
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jeremy.jpgJeremy - 8989 Posts
05/26/2009 @ 11:37:31 AM
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Really? Cause, his next pitch to a lefty didn't seem to end too well for him.
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IMG_3063[1].jpgjthompto - 209 Posts
05/26/2009 @ 11:52:02 AM
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I knew these complaints were coming. I have not seen the replays but I don't think you can assume that Mauer would have struck out. I don't think you can ever assume that since it almost never happens.

As for Macha, he should have done everything to get ejected in that spot. If your team is on the short end of a call reversal, it's your job as the manager to got tossed and fire your team up. Instead he just goes out there, does nothing and walks back to the dugout. A few moments later, Grand Slam.
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face.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
05/26/2009 @ 12:33:50 PM
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Gardy always gets me fired up when he argues. Meagen even said- he's got this quiet, calm, little man look and then it happens- the nose and cheeks get red and his eyes seem to want to pop out. Awesome!
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
05/26/2009 @ 02:23:55 PM
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Obviously I was thinking wishfully.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
05/26/2009 @ 02:36:27 PM
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Macha had a second opportunity to go at it with ump again when he came out to get Stetter. He probably should of. But at that time, all the air was completely out of the Brewers. I'm not sure anything would have helped. But, they won the next day, so I don't know if this series is really that big of deal.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style."
05/26/2009 @ 03:03:49 PM
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The Twins TV announcers said the same thing, Scott. They seemed disappointed that he didin't
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
05/26/2009 @ 04:27:23 PM
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The ESPN guys did too. Apparently Macha has no clue how to argue a point.
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sarah.jpgSarah - 4132 Posts
05/26/2009 @ 05:29:46 PM
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Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 12:33:50 PM
Gardy always gets me fired up when he argues. Meagen even said- he's got this quiet, calm, little man look and then it happens- the nose and cheeks get red and his eyes seem to want to pop out. Awesome!


The crowd roared when Gardy threw off his hat and I could not have been happier (well I would've been happier if he had gotten tossed but still, it's always a rush when Gardy's yelling at the ump)
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jon.jpgJon - 2883 Posts
05/28/2009 @ 06:00:23 AM
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Scott Wrote - 05/26/2009 @ 06:45:19 AM
And it's just as possible the ball hit the knob first and then his wrist. That's what I saw and that's what the ump saw.

Scott Wrote - 05/26/2009 @ 11:04:50 AM
Still, the ball could have hit the bat and THEN hit Mauer's wrist. Since that's what the ump originally called, that's how it should have stood.


I haven't done the appropriate leg work, so maybe it was stated somewhere, but I don't remember definitively hearing that the ump thought it hit the knob then hit his hand. A few web searches done, I still don't see anything.

The fact is, there's hardly any account of the whole thing with any sort of detail. The umps don't give press conferences and neither of the managers or Mauer seem to have said anything of substance. What we do know is that the ump obviously didn't need much convincing and/or the evidence of the mark on his hand was more than enough to outweigh the strength of the ump's initial call.

Umpires usually don't make it to the major leagues by being pushovers. I have to think this guy's been under more pressure than a 40 second exchange with Gardenhire. (I mean, sure, Gardenhire may secretly be known as "the Jackie Chiles of the American League" because he has superhuman persuasive abilities, but even he couldn't break a man in less than 50 seconds. It's been documented.) The fact that it's so rare to see a reversal is just as good an argument for thinking he got it right as it is for the incident being somehow unfair.

And sure, people don't want a wishy-washy umpire who checks the temp of the room and opens calls up to the democratic process, but wouldn't we rather have them go with what they think is right? I mean, to a certain extent they already do this. When there's a close play at home, they make the out call, but then when they see that the ball was knocked loose, they say the runner was safe. They don't stick to the first conclusion if it's not the right call.

As for the fact that it could've hit the knob then his hand, sure, it's a possibility. But that seems like an odd sequence of events. It doesn't appear that the ball hit one then the other. Concurrently maybe, but even then, I'm not sure what would happen. From the little I could find, I'm thinking he would still get first. So the fact that it hit his hand at all is almost proof enough. And, not that this is crucial, but Macha actually didn't seem to make the contention that it hit the bat first, then his hand. He offered a much less convincing alternative explanation:

"Who knows if that mark was there before he got hit," Macha said in the post-game interview. (source: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/45970297.html)

Without mocking him, I think we can just consider that theory weak and just move on.

Anyway, as with all other issues, I'm sure our individual team allegiance has not affected our views on this event at all.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
05/30/2009 @ 04:38:51 PM
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Well, braun got hit the same way a few games later and my first thought was that it was a foul ball. And why can't someone have an opinion without their bias being questioned due to "team loyalty". I just think imps should stick to the calls they make unless they confer with anpther ump. It simply doesn't smell right that the ump changed the call only after gardy took off his hat. (ps: I just got an iPod touch and I'm posting from it. Oh the excitement!)

And I assumed it was assumed that the ump thought it hit the knob first since the original call was that it was a foul ball. What I was trying to say was that even if the ump was convinced that it did hit mauer, it is still possible that it hit the bat.
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05/31/2009 @ 08:47:35 PM
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I went to the twins-rays game today. I got my ticket in the parking lot and ended up sitting right next to the twins bullpen along the thirdbase line four rows up. Mauer didn't even play; I was sorely disappointed. Morneau had a. RBI and I think span had a homer(but I could be wrong). The twins did strikeout 10 times, so everyone at the trop got free pizza. For all the bad things i've said about the metrodome, it looks like a gem compared to the trop. That place is dark, annoyingly loud, and everyone is encouraged to bring cowbells to help add to the noise. The sound system even plays cowbell sounds in case you don't know what it sounds like. Anyway, it was fun.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - 2078 Posts
06/01/2009 @ 07:43:39 AM
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I've driven past the Trop once or twice, I could hardly believe it was an MLB field. Then we drove past the Buc's playhouse, and I thought it was Disneyland or something.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - So's your face
05/21/2010 @ 08:12:16 PM
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Jeremy Wrote - 05/26/2009 @ 09:47:19 AM


Maybe if Macha didn't approach the umpire like a lost, timid, old man asking for directions he'd win an argument or two.


Still holds true to today. What a crazy first inning, very enjoyable, although towards the end I felt bad for the Brewers and their ineptitude.
Total BS call on the Braun "catch." We may have been up 7-0 at the time, but it's no excuse for making such a lousy call.
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reign_of_fire_150.jpgMicah - 584 Posts
05/22/2010 @ 06:53:00 AM
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Gomez

Hilarious. Down by that much with 2 on, you just absolutely knew he was going to strikeout or hit a home run.

"I know whatever decision they're going to make, I'm going to take it like a man. Right now, I feel really bad for this. I don't care if a guy hit a home run, if a guy pimp it, but like I did it today -- it's not professional."
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!?
05/22/2010 @ 08:06:27 PM
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I have to say, I really don't understand the Parra move by the Brewers. I realize yesterday's debacle forced them to chew up some bullpen arms, but to tell Hoffman "we have so little faith in you that we're going to burn tomorrow's starter just two innings into extras"...I don't know how you come back from that.

I mean we're talking about a guy that was 5 for 9 in save opportunities one day, even then still being viewed by many as a struggling legend who would right the ship. Then unquestionably washed up the next? Does one more blown save really move a guy from unquestioned closer to "we can't give him the ball again no matter how dire the circumstances?"

If the team has so little faith in him that he didn't pitch tonight, why is he still taking up a roster spot?
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IMG_3063[1].jpgjthompto - 209 Posts
05/22/2010 @ 11:49:07 PM
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Interesting game. Gardy made some suspect moves like using Mahay in the 9th instead of Rauch and wasting Thome's bat in an obvious intentional walk situation. But they lucked out.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist
05/23/2010 @ 12:56:12 AM
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Well, I don't know about Mahay. Lots of teams wouldn't go to the closer there, and the Brewers had played like a AA ball club up until that point.

Thome's at bat was a waste, but it's not like it blew the game or anything. There's no knowing they would have still done the intentional walk, though either way saving Thome til the next batter makes sense.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
05/23/2010 @ 09:05:56 AM
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According to JSOnline, Suppan, Claudio Vargas, and Hoffman were all unavailable yesterday. It wasn't a matter of "we can't put Hoffman out there because we don't trust him".
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - Robots don't say 'ye'
05/23/2010 @ 11:14:17 AM
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He's on the active roster. Suppan and Vargus pitched the day before. Hoffman is only "unavailable" because they decided he is, and that's my point. It says a lot of how "unavailable" they feel he is to not even go to him there.
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Jeremy edited this at 05/23/2010 11:14:52 am
scott.jpgScott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue.
05/23/2010 @ 03:08:41 PM
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It's not that unusual for a team to unofficially inactivate a player temporarily. Teams do it with players who are injured by not injured enough to warrant an entire 15-day DL stint. The didn't simply decide that last night they weren't going to use him. He has been unavailable for about 4 games now. Hoffman has struggled, and they have been working on changing his mechanics a bit and apparently didn't deem him ready as of last night. In fact, it may be that the work they were doing with him physically left him unavailable for games. He's probably been throwing a lot of pitches in the last several days. So what the viewer sees as "Macha, you are an idiot, put Hoffman in", Macha sees "he threw 47 pitches yesterday and 32 pitches this morning in an effort to get him back to form, he is not in any shape to go out and pitch today". They have inserted him back into the bullpen in a setup position starting with today's game. You definitely have to treat a 42 year old differently than you would a 22 year old. One can't simply send Hoffman to the minors. And so, with the risk you take in signing a player of his age and stature, special circumstances are required.
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vignette.bmpCarlos44ec - Since 1980!
05/24/2010 @ 11:31:07 AM
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I saw games on Friday and Sunday- first with the wife, then with my brother. Anything I would have said about the games has already been said, so I will let it go with this:

There are ZERO bad seats in this stadium; after 4 games and plenty of walking around, everone at Target Field is a winner.
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scott.jpgScott - 6225 Posts
05/24/2010 @ 11:47:38 AM
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Except the Twins on Sunday, because they lost.
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hoochpage.JPGSarah - 4132 Posts
05/24/2010 @ 07:44:48 PM
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Scott Wrote - Today @ 11:47:38 AM
Except the Twins on Sunday, because they lost.


You really want to go there?
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scott.jpgScott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings
05/25/2010 @ 03:47:41 PM
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Sarah Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:44:48 PM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 12:47:38 PM
Except the Twins on Sunday, because they lost.
You really want to go there?


I need something...anything, really.
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05/26/2010 @ 03:19:25 PM
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Get the sand out, Nancy!
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