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Jayson Stark shows how wins aren't a great measurement of pitchers

Frankly, I'm a little saddened that articles like this need to be written. It's not even that I hold it against the fans that don't realize it, because some just aren't that into numbers and analyzing and stuff. But I do hold it against the people who vote for the Cy Young award. A great many of them still put way too much weight into the wins category. How can you cover baseball for a living and not realize the error in this? Even if someone has to sit down and explain it to you, how has that not happened yet?

Anyhow, Johan is featured prominently and Carlos Silva and the former Twin Kyle Lohse make an appearance or two.

(I'm not finished reading the article yet, but I assume there's other good stuff in there as well.)
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2887.gifAlex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose
06/22/2007 @ 01:07:56 PM
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That's why someone invented the Quality Starts stat. The win-loss record should be completely ignored and use a Quality Start record instead. Sheets is tied for 5th in Quality Starts by the way. We need to make this change in the Fantasy league next year. Or at least get rid of wins.
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fry6beeu9.jpgJeremy - 8821 Posts
06/22/2007 @ 01:27:40 PM
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Perhaps. Even setting aside the argument that a pitcher has very little control of getting the W (since the rest of the team still needs to get more runs than the other team, even if that's 1, and other pictures can lose it for you long after you've left.) A Win is just so unquantifiable. A strike out is a strike out, WHIP means something, ERA means something. (Though granted those can be effected by goofy scoring decisions.) A pitcher can give up 12 runs and win or give up 1 and get the loss, or I suppose even give up 0 and not get a W. You could strikeout 26 guys and not get a win. It's not a "you do this, you get this" statistic and how it has any relevance to anyone is beyond me.

It really makes just as much sense as when Win-Loss records are applied, granted not as officially, to starting Quarterbacks.
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Jeremy perfected this at 06/22/2007 1:32:51 pm
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